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This isn't the worst,but it's funny. There used to be a light heavy in California named Ray"Windmill"White. He fought during the mid 60's early 70's. This guy would do some wierd things in the ring. He even looked wierd. He was 6 foot 4, pale as a ghost ,and had a sway back. He'd wind up his arms like a windmill before throwing a punch,thus getting his nickname"Windmill". It was the goofiest thing you'd ever see.

Another thing he'd like to do is when the other fighter would tap him on the shoulder,he'd fall like he was pole axed. He'd lie there like he was dead and then just before the count of nine would leap up and start swinging all crazy like. I remember he was fighting a guy named Jesse Burnett and Ray was putting on his show. Ray was making faces,doing his windmill thing with both arms going at the same time,and collapsing when a breeze came through the door. Well after the third or fourth time of doing his fainting routine,the referee stopped the fight. "Windmill"leaps up screaming at the referee,jumps out of the ring still in his boxing trunks wearing his gloves and runs out the door and down the street.

Novelty goat wrote:Golota vs Grant was inexplicable. Golota was ahead, fight was nearing the end, he gets knocked down once, doesn't appear hurt and easily gets up, and just quits. Strange man.

Amazing story to that one: http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Fight:34851

He could have been seriously (or fatally) injured had he continued.

Liston just got Owned with a Good Punch...

Whether he was Nervous or not, i don't know... But it was not a dive.
Golota just had a Panic attack against Tyson, that was just ..strange..

don't know what happened to him

Anyone here been in with a world class fighter and under heavy fire? I doubt it very much, and neither have I. So who the f*ck :x :x :x are we to use that derogatory word "quit" in relation to how some fighter's brains react mentally when they're being pummeled?

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bollox wrote:Anyone here been in with a world class fighter and under heavy fire? I doubt it very much, and neither have I. So who the f*ck :x :x :x are we to use that derogatory word "quit" in relation to how some fighter's brains react mentally when they're being pummeled?

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Quitting, giving up, bailing out etc is perfctly acceptable as long as the guy has given his best and found it isn't enough. There is no shame in Liston staying on his stool in the first Ali fight. He was well beaten and knew it. He'd tried to turn the tide and failed. No one should ask for more.

However, when they or, more often, their blind fans try to alter the reality of what happened and trot out excuse after excuse, then it become a bit tiresome.

p.s. during WW1 some soldiers in intense battle situations would simply get up and walk away. They were tried for alleged cowardice and some were executed. Now that we understand a bit more about how the human brain sometimes reacts to severe trauma we don't execute them any more. So I'll never understand why alleged boxing fans still 'execute' fighters who's brains automatically switch on the self preservation switch :x

Liston fought for a number of rounds WITH A BROKEN JAW against Marty Marshall.

When he was a NOBODY, and the fight was for NOTHING.

The same Liston quits in his corner with a "sore shoulder" and gives up the HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP ? ? ? ? ?

Don't make me laugh.

Only clueless Collins and other grovelers at the shrine of the Religion of Ali could swallow that crap as "legitimate."

granberry wrote:Liston fought for a number of rounds WITH A BROKEN JAW against Marty Marshall.

When he was a NOBODY, and the fight was for NOTHING.

The same Liston quits in his corner with a "sore shoulder" and gives up the HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP ? ? ? ? ?

Don't make me laugh.

Only clueless Collins and other grovelers at the shrine of the Religion of Ali could swallow that crap as "legitimate."

Hahahahahahahaha, The sore shoulder was an excuse, you boofhead. He'd been beaten by the better man on the night. It happens in boxing.

We all know it was a surprise but why delude yourself into thinking it was something it wasn't?

Also, have you noticed the calibre of the couple of posters supporting you? Jeez, they don't appear to be the sharpest knives in the drawer do they? They seem gullible fantasists to me.

The Durable Dane wrote:Roberto Duran vs Sugar Ray II.

"No mas". Definitely.

granberry wrote:Liston fought for a number of rounds WITH A BROKEN JAW against Marty Marshall.

When he was a NOBODY, and the fight was for NOTHING.

The same Liston quits in his corner with a "sore shoulder" and gives up the HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP ? ? ? ? ?

Don't make me laugh.

Only clueless Collins and other grovelers at the shrine of the Religion of Ali could swallow that crap as "legitimate."

Going into the Marshall fight, Liston had seven fights behind him and Marshall had twenty five. It was an eight round fight. It was claimed Liston's jaw was broken in the fourth round. Marshall won on a split decision.

Marshall may have been "nobody," but he was further up the food chain than Liston at that time. Interestingly, Marshall fought Liston in another two fights. In the last one he was a substitute for Harold Johnson, who had "pulled out of the fight with a sore shoulder".

Brute wrote:

The Durable Dane wrote:Roberto Duran vs Sugar Ray II.

"No mas". Definitely.

That "fight" was a landmark in the (deteriorating) history of boxing.

It was landmark because as of that "fight" the media completely stopped quoting comments from former champions.

They couldn't quote them, because their comments on that raw fake passed off as a "fight" to the clueless public wouldn't fit with the agenda.

For the entire history of boxing, the most valuable thing in the news media were the comments on a fight by other champions present.

That ended completely as of the Duran-Leonard II fake.
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The most valuable comments I found include

a detailed discussion of the Dempsey-Willard fight he had just seen by Benny Leonard

Joe Gans' comments in detail on the Ketchel-Joe Thomas bout

Fitzsimmons' detailed comments on the Jeffries-Johnson bout

Chavez looked good in the Randal fight. he was holding his own. I think Randal would eventually worn him down tho and so does Chavez.

I think that Tyson Vs Evander was a "I quit" moment.
Behind on points, not believing he can win, he bites (twice). What else can the referee do but stop it?

Pretty cowardly of Tyson I think

Grant wrote:I think that Tyson Vs Evander was a "I quit" moment.
Behind on points, not believing he can win, he bites (twice). What else can the referee do but stop it?

Pretty cowardly of Tyson I think

I guess you missed the butt by Holyfield that opened up a cut bigger than a car accident gash.

Just a minor point I'm sure as far as you're concerned.

granberry wrote:

Grant wrote:I think that Tyson Vs Evander was a "I quit" moment.
Behind on points, not believing he can win, he bites (twice). What else can the referee do but stop it?

Pretty cowardly of Tyson I think

I guess you missed the butt by Holyfield that opened up a cut bigger than a car accident gash.

Just a minor point I'm sure as far as you're concerned.

Yeah, thats a good point and gets lost when people talk about this fight. I am not a Tyson hater or a great fan of Evanders either (I'm sure that in 10 years time people will be talking about who were the crazy numbskulls that let him keep fighting) . In other words I take your point.

Kostya Tszyu - Sharmba Mitchell I.

The audio & video between rounds CLEARLY showed Mitchell's corner imploring him to continue fighting ( if you can call what he was doing by that point in the contest "fighting" ... ) & Mitchell himself calling it quits. Yet, just moments later, during his post-fight interview Mitchell reverses the truth & tries to portray himself as some sort of hero. Pathetic. Just pathetic.

It wouldn't have been so bad had the revisionist history just stopped there, but the trouble is, fans & the press began to buy it. Even Showtime who, obviously had all the access in the world to the between rounds footage, began to promote the lie! Something they continued to do right up until Tszyu brutally KO'd him in the rematch.

elmersalsa wrote:Genaro Hernandez is one of the biggest quitters of all-time. He quit without an explanation against Oscar DeLahoya and also quit with Floyd Mayweather Jr. He almost quit on the Azumah Nelson fight, too, but won the fight.

Oh PLEASE! :x

It's quite common knowledge that while sparring with a young, up & coming Shane Mosley in preparation for the Delahoya fight, that Mosley shattered Hernandez's nose. Badly.
Then, in the sixth round of the fight Delahoya re-broke it with a brutal uppercut. An injury that the doctors who treated Hernandez said was one of the worst nose injuries of it's type that they had ever seen.

As for the Nelson fight, Hernandez was hit by a blow to the adam's apple after the bell & was advised that he could elect to stop fighting & he'd be assured of a title winning victory because he'd been fouled & was ahead on the cards. But rather than accept the win under those circumstances ( ala Johnny Bumphis - Starling & Chavez - Randall II ), Genaro elected to continue fighting & won via W12.

The Mayweather fight?
What would you have suggested he do under those circumstances? Perhaps blindly keep on going despite having virtually no answer for Mayweather's youth, speed, power & skills? Perhaps "go out on his shied" like Levander Johnson would eventually do under similar circumstances?

Montell Griffin in ... Montell Griffin v Roy Jones 1

Ramos Vs Frazier

King of the quit-jobs was Bert Cooper against Reggie Gross. Watch that & tell me you've seen worse (Tyson-Seldon included).

Cooper did a similarly tepid number against Foreman a few years later. Not the same guy who fought his heart out against Moorer & Holyfield.

travrosty wrote:Manuel Ramos versus Joe Frazier.

Ramos gets up before the count of ten, then realizes he is probably going to continue to get the tar beat out of him and, with full faculties, just waves his hands, quits on his feet. Still trying to figure that one out.

Not even close to an all-time quit job.

observer1 wrote:Liston just got Owned with a Good Punch...

Whether he was Nervous or not, i don't know... But it was not a dive.
Golota just had a Panic attack against Tyson, that was just ..strange..

don't know what happened to him

"Good Punch"

Are you referring to the Ali punch in Lewiston that "couldn't crush a grape" according to the knowledgeable Jommy Cannon, who was there.

That punch???

Goodnight, Irene wrote:I saw this one just a few days ago. I didn't think it was all that bad. Ramos fought pretty hard until it ended. & that was a prime (or near-prime) Joe Frazier, hardly Reggie Gross! lol!

That was early prime, buzz saw Joe.

Was Liston a Concord or a Thompson?