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One need only look at this thread to see how most of these fights, with rare exceptions, start, and the claim that Dempsey and Louis and Marciano fans don't have adament fans, or the idea that Ali fans don't know boxing or have a "limited frame of reference" is unsupportable and is the same kind of thinking (like the idea that simply "mentioning" Ali in a thread is a bad thing) that starts problems.

And robinson... I've said it to you in the past, but I could easily think of all the times where I've heard people cite Marciano as the best Heavyweight of all time when those people had never seen a Marciano fight, and I can name times where someone said that Chavez or Tyson was the best fighter ever when they had never seen a Robinson fight... so this idea that this is limited to Ali fans (when what you're really talking about is casual fans) is again untrue. As is the idea that the "extrme left" make up Ali's fans. I support the war in Iraq and hold a lot of "conservative" positions, but I'm an Ali fan. I could also just as easily point to Louis as a poster child of the right, so that reasoning doesn't fly either. This singling out of Ali and Ali fans on this site, as is especially being done in this thread simply because some have the gall to say WWWK's is the best boxing documentary, is the main problem.

I know...I am trying to rationalise a reaction.

I am a defensive Holmes and Patterson fan, but I can admit there
failings. I guess SOME fans or haters have an absolute stance and
are extreme in there points of view.

dagosd2000 wrote:

I Feel Fine wrote:All someone did was mention that they thought WWWK's was the best boxing doc and they were attacked for it. I think the idea that "mentioning" Ali in a thread is a bad thing, as you suggest, is the kind of thinking that causes fights. And most of the other threads about Ali are started by Ali critics with a chip on their shoulder.

To be fair,I've seen it work the other way also. One of my first threads was on Ali's bouts with Norton,which I thought Norton won all 3. I was pummled pretty good by Ali fans. Sometimes I think there's an age factor in this. I don't remember many old timers who take such an adamant position on a fighter. I know granberry(and he goes back a ways) isn't in Ali's corner,but sometimes I think his reactions are also based on that some posters have a limited frame of reference. I think too many fans think boxing ,in a way,started with Ali. To have lived before 1960 gives a better understanding of what Ali was all about.

But how do you explain his claim that Futch was in the pay of the "Ali industry" and it was his actions alone which resulted in Frazier's loss in Manilla?