Is it really DEFAMATION to post this photo?

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 11 Mar 2008, 22:03

The truth is the truth, I tells ya!

P.S.

119-109 Norton

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 11 Mar 2008, 22:08

Goodnight, Irene wrote:The truth is the truth, I tells ya!

P.S.

119-109 Norton

I'm still thinkin' that sixth round was a type-0

observer1 · Post by **observer1** » 11 Mar 2008, 22:12

DaveV17 wrote:If you Ali fans believed what you say about Ali you wouldn't care what Granberry or I write. You obviously feel that Ali's legacy is in jeopardy when anyone writes the truth.

If Ali didn't train between Folley and Bonavena, it was his fault. regardless, Ali had two good tune ups (18 rouonds) before fighting Frazier who had less than 2 rounds in the ring in the last 13 months.

Ali was the fan favorite, the media favorite, the favorite of the celebs, etc. Frazier had much to overcome including little ring activity in the last year. You can revise history however you wish but the truth is always the truth.

I'm Not an Ali Fan...

Just because a Poster he defends another Boxer does not make him a Fan..

Sometimes people like to put an end to childish nonsense

i mean... have you actually read Granberrys Posts?? He seems like an intelligent guy, but when you mention the word Ali, he seems to go into Hyper Mode

Religion of Ali? wtf?

DaveV17 · Post by **DaveV17** » 11 Mar 2008, 22:25

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 11 Mar 2008, 22:35

Sorry, my mistake. Mate, you are fair-dinkum clueless.

P.S.

119-111 Norton

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 11 Mar 2008, 23:03

It's Ali's fault he didn't train during an imposed exile where he thought he would never fight again... Frazier, who had been fighting all that time, was less active than Ali (and Frazier fought more than two rounds in the last 13 months, he also fought Ellis) Frazier, who clearly had tons of fans at all of his fights, including his fights with Ali, was unpopular... and Ali lost every round to Norton, even the ones where Norton didn't do anything, like the early rounds, or the 12th where Ali had a combination festival and landed nearly everything he threw on Norton...

Well, I'm sold. The truth is the truth.

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 11 Mar 2008, 23:17

I want to believe...

Collins2000 · Post by **Collins2000** » 11 Mar 2008, 23:44

I want to believe that granberry is Dave's dad and Elma is Dave's sister and they live in a trailer park somewhere and if i'm nice to them I might get an invite to Dave and Elma's wedding.

These 3 clowns have turned what used to be a reasonable forum into a joke.

observer1 · Post by **observer1** » 11 Mar 2008, 23:48

Collins2000 wrote:I want to believe that granberry is Dave's dad and Elma is Dave's sister and they live in a trailer park somewhere and if i'm nice to them I might get an invite to Dave and Elma's wedding.

These 3 clowns have turned what used to be a reasonable forum into a joke.

:P

DaveV17 · Post by **DaveV17** » 12 Mar 2008, 00:01

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 12 Mar 2008, 00:17

I have, in fact, given you my round by round.

Ali believed he would never fight again, not sure what to tell you, mate. It wasn't simply a matter of how much jail time he might serve, it seemed he would never get a license. His beloved boxing establishment wouldn't give him one, which was the main issue. And even a year, in prison, which would be yet another year away from boxing, would have effected him. Perhaps you're a little new to this, but even a year away from boxing can effect a fighter, let alone three or more.

This Thomas Hauser and Ted (or is it Tom? That's how ignorant I am of this guy) Burns and Norman Mailer stuff really falls on deaf ears, I've seen probably 53 or 54 of Ali's 61 fights, I don't need someone to tell me what he did or didn't do.

Ali fought two fights in three and a half years. Frazier fought ten. The implications of that are quite clear, all those rounds and all those training camps kept Joe in top shape. Ali rushed a couple of fights, and I'm certainly not going to claim that they didn't help him, but the idea that they took off all the rust obviously isn't true, and one need only watch the Bonavena fight to see how off Ali had been... he looked like a shot fighter. If Ali had been able to wait another six months before he had fought Frazier, it likely would have been a different fight. He was good enough to be fighter of the year in '72, if he had fought Joe then it would have been all the better. But Ali couldn't wait that long.

Celebs couldn't fight the fight for Ali... and, what can I tell you, if you claim that Frazier didn't have popular support then you clearly didn't see their fights nor do you know much about Frazier's career. Joe Frazier was a very well liked fighter and had crowd support in all three fights. And in the rematches, Ali beat Frazier, and beat him legitimately; only a sour few would say otherwise. As for Norton, Ali beat him as clearly as Holmes did. And Ali won the crucial round of that fight more clearly than Holmes won the crucial round of his fight with Kenny. If someone were imaginative enough to call the 12th of Ali-Norton II even, they could easily give Norton the 15th against Holmes, and the fight.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 12 Mar 2008, 02:11

DaveV17 wrote:

If you Ali fans believed what you say about Ali you wouldn't care what Granberry or I write.

You obviously feel that Ali's legacy is in jeopardy when anyone writes the truth.

.

Goodnight, Irene · Post by **Goodnight, Irene** » 12 Mar 2008, 02:14

You two are one stooge short of a stageshow

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 12 Mar 2008, 02:20

Eh, I reply to people I disagree with. I don't think anything could jeopardize Sugar Ray Robinson's legacy, but I've had some wars with elmer over him. But if you're saying that I should ignore you... yeah, you're probably right

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 12 Mar 2008, 02:20

Dave,

You've got these members of The Religion of Ali flailing away desperately

with their Thomas Hauser talking points.

The air is this thick with Thomas Hauser talking points and frantic explanations for their hero's failings.
.

Hilarious to observe.

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 12 Mar 2008, 02:25

Just setting the record straight. Ali won two rematches, so no talking points needed. The conversation ended over thirty years ago with Ali's victories over Frazier. Thomas Hauser or the Religion of Ali or whatever vast left wing conspiracy it is didn't invent those fights, though you two are running from then as quickly as you can.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 12 Mar 2008, 02:31

Muhammad Ali struggles to get off the Madison Square Garden canvas
after being floored by Joe Frazier in the 15th round of their March 8, 1971 fight.
(AP file photo)

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 12 Mar 2008, 02:58

Oscar Natalio Bonavena, the man who had Frazier down twice. Though Frazier beat him twice, Bonavena's knock downs make him the superior fighter. Just look at him...

Ali named Sportsman of the year for 1974 after defeating Joe Frazier and George Foreman.

And here we see... again... Tony Galento, the greatest Heavyweight of all time.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 12 Mar 2008, 03:00

Shortly after Joe Frazier beat Ali.

Bryant Gumbel, editor of the magazine Black Sports, wrote an article entitled

“Is Joe Frazier a White Champion in Black Skin?"

But today Ali shills says the media was against their Ali.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 12 Mar 2008, 03:09

I Feel Fine wrote:
Ali named Sportsman of the year for 1974 after defeating Joe Frazier and George Foreman.

Ali shill ifeelfine doesn't know that Sports Illustrated was THE media shill magazine for Ali (and later for his replacement Sugar Ray Leonard).

HOW MANY TIMES has Sports Illustrated had the photo of Ali's fake 'knockout' of Liston on its cover?

Ali shill ifeelfine is thrilled that Sports Illustrated gives Ali 'awards.'
.

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 12 Mar 2008, 03:09

Oh please. After the fight Fleischer wrote an article saying that Ali couldn't be a top ten Heavyweight since he lost to Frazier, even though he was in the middle of his career. The same Fleischer who said Ali couldn't be fighter of the year in '66.

As I said, I think there were many black fans who may have disliked Frazier, though there were also many who I'm sure liked him. But in terms of white America it was probably 50-50, at least for the first fight. And the media did NOT hate Frazier, that claim is ridiculous. Watch any Frazier fight and tell me that the broadcasters show bias or dislike against Frazier...

But back to this knockdown thing... I'm a little confused how it works. Frazier had Ali down, so he was better, despite Ali winning two fights. But Bonavena had Frazier down twice, and Ali had Bonavena down three times. Plus Foreman had Frazier down eight times, and Ali had Foreman down. So who comes out on top? Please granny, tell us...

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 12 Mar 2008, 03:10

When you beat Frazier and Foreman in the same year, the magazine is the one who is getting the deal by having you on their cover, not the other way around.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 12 Mar 2008, 03:14

I Feel Fine wrote:Oh please. After the fight Fleischer wrote an article saying that Ali couldn't be a top ten Heavyweight since he lost to Frazier, even though he was in the middle of his career. The same Fleischer who said Ali couldn't be fighter of the year in '66.

As I said, I think there were many black fans who may have disliked Frazier, though there were also many who I'm sure liked him. But in terms of white America it was probably 50-50, at least for the first fight. And the media did NOT hate Frazier, that claim is ridiculous. Watch any Frazier fight and tell me that the broadcasters show bias or dislike against Frazier...

But back to this knockdown thing... I'm a little confused how it works. Frazier had Ali down, so he was better, despite Ali winning two fights. But Bonavena had Frazier down twice, and Ali had Bonavena down three times. Plus Foreman had Frazier down eight times, and Ali had Foreman down. So who comes out on top? Please granny, tell us...

Ali shill ifeelfine is burning up the keyboard in his desperate attempt to fend of false charges that Joe Frazier beat his hero and knocked him flat on his back.

Keep the incoherent crap coming, Ali shill.

.

I Feel Fine · Post by **I Feel Fine** » 12 Mar 2008, 03:30

I'll take one loss and a knock down in exchange for two wins and a TKO any day granny, any day.

Also, Ali was knocked down four times, Louis was knocked down nine times; ergo, Ali was the better fighter. Yes? Good, we agree.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 12 Mar 2008, 07:24

Dave, FYI...

I see you didnt' fix that Type-0 in the 6th round. granberry will have you pegged as a shill until you tend to the oversight.

That's a list you don't want to be on.