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Autobarn wrote:Anyway, the night has gone down as a bit of a disaster for Murray in terms of public perception. If we're doing constructive criticism, can anyone come up with ways in which he can pick things up, get that career moving and get fans believing in him again?

6 fights a year, a few fights against tough come forward pressure fighters for excitement, fight a range of styles to let him learn, and jump in the deepend at British/Euro level by the end of the year in a sink and swim

But he needs to improve his game or none of that will matter

Autobarn wrote:Anyway, the night has gone down as a bit of a disaster for Murray in terms of public perception. If we're doing constructive criticism, can anyone come up with ways in which he can pick things up, get that career moving and get fans believing in him again?

Personally - I couldn't care less about him - He isn't going to rip up trees on the world stage which is the holy grail for every prospect real or imagined. He has to keep winning and winning with style, the referee is not going to be there to help him out forever.

Keep busy and fight 12 rounders for the domestic belts.

Sounds fair enough. I'm told his game in the gym is brilliant. Terry D has seen him spar vs good fighters in the gym, fine boxers like Truscott - maybe he can verify.

I agree about the 12 rounders. Personally, I think JM has the perfect temperament to navigate 12 rds.

(re the defence - it seems it's only the pesky little fighters Hamidi and Munguia that can drill shots through Murray's guard.)

If sparring matches counted on a fighter's record, Murray would be a British champion already. I think the problem is the bad scheduling which prevents the good gym work from translating into the ring. If this is fixed, things should really move.

Stay busy and a British title by the end of this year. Gallagher wants Murray back in the ring "the sooner the better" - the head cut won't affect the schedule - and Hennessy has a card end of next month.

I say opponents and titles that motivate him. Be active, pick up the momentum. PN, there's a brilliant mix of styles in this country, flashy boxer Fewkes, strong pressure Meager, tall frail boxer Stewart, quality technician Limond, herky jerky puncher Thaxton; then there's super feathers Arthur who could be in limbo a bit if he loses to Guzman, Foster Jr getting better all the time - great fight for Manchester - maybe even Johanesson.

Europe is tricky. Juan Carlos Diaz Melero is the mandatory to the Zoff vs __ winner. Melero will be champ soon, IMO. Melero was literally outclassing Romanov before Yuri starched him. The Spaniard has Khan like speed (and maybe a Khan like chin), great movement. There's no money in Spain for boxing and no doubt he'd come over to defend.

Carlos-Wigan wrote:

Autobarn wrote:Anyway, the night has gone down as a bit of a disaster for Murray in terms of public perception. If we're doing constructive criticism, can anyone come up with ways in which he can pick things up, get that career moving and get fans believing in him again?

Personally - I couldn't care less about him - He isn't going to rip up trees on the world stage which is the holy grail for every prospect real or imagined. He has to keep winning and winning with style, the referee is not going to be there to help him out forever.

Keep busy and fight 12 rounders for the domestic belts.

Not sure the ref did help him - in the past 2 fights he's been marked up by head butts, LOL

Autobarn wrote:Anyway, the night has gone down as a bit of a disaster for Murray in terms of public perception. If we're doing constructive criticism, can anyone come up with ways in which he can pick things up, get that career moving and get fans believing in him again?

Murray seems like a good kid, and he seems to have a good team around him, but the big problem for me is that I've only be impressed by him a single time, when he overcame Dean Hickman. But even then I thought to myself - 'here's an exciting British title level fighter'. As even in that victory, what I consider to be his major flaws still seemed to be evident, most notably his upright, rigid stance and lack of head movement. He seemed content to soak up a bit of punishment in the knowledge that he could 'out-man' Hickman.
The bottom line is that he doesn't seem to have really gone anywhere or fought anyone of note considering he's now had 24 fights and I haven't seen anything in his 'locker' to date to justify the hype that has surrounded him on occasion.

I've been consistently impressed & optimistic - sure there have been the of nights - and I like his balance, the weight in his shots, the professional punch delivery & infighting skills especially as a fight goes on. For a while I've felt he can seriously go places. He only had about 20 amateur bouts I believe, so this is a guy that has to get fights, a real case of learn on the job. IMO momentum is the key.

Autobarn wrote:I've been consistently impressed & optimistic - sure there have been the of nights - and I like his balance, the weight in his shots, the professional punch delivery & infighting skills especially as a fight goes on. For a while I've felt he can seriously go places. He only had about 20 amateur bouts I believe, so this is a guy that has to get fights, a real case of learn on the job. IMO momentum is the key.

Fair enough. One of those cases where I'd actually be more than happy to be proved wrong