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mercman wrote:

I just put up Joe Bugner vs Danny "Smiley" Sutton on Youtube.

Thanks, Collins. Although he won, not one of Bugner's better performances though. The most interesting thing I saw/heard was at the end when Bugner and Warren being interviewed. Warren mentioned that he had Tex Cobb lined up for Bugner's next fight. I never knew about this but it would probably have been a good fight for Bugner at this stage. Both fighters were very durable and neither were particularly big hitters so I couldn't see a stoppage for either fighter, unless on cuts. Bugner, however, was more mobile and more skilled than Cobb (as were most) so I would probably have fancied Bugner on points. Cobb was still a 'name' at this stage so it would have been a good one to take. Did he fall out with Warren around this time or didn't it come off for some other reason?

ps have you got any of Bugner's early 'Aussie Joe' fights - Tillis or Page?

Collins2000 wrote:

mercman wrote:

I just put up Joe Bugner vs Danny "Smiley" Sutton on Youtube.

Thanks, Collins. Although he won, not one of Bugner's better performances though. The most interesting thing I saw/heard was at the end when Bugner and Warren being interviewed. Warren mentioned that he had Tex Cobb lined up for Bugner's next fight. I never knew about this but it would probably have been a good fight for Bugner at this stage. Both fighters were very durable and neither were particularly big hitters so I couldn't see a stoppage for either fighter, unless on cuts. Bugner, however, was more mobile and more skilled than Cobb (as were most) so I would probably have fancied Bugner on points. Cobb was still a 'name' at this stage so it would have been a good one to take. Did he fall out with Warren around this time or didn't it come off for some other reason?

ps have you got any of Bugner's early 'Aussie Joe' fights - Tillis or Page?

Yes, dire wasn't it?

I have those Bugner fights in Australia when he was re-inventing himself as Aussie Joe. I'll get to them eventually but next up will be the bouts against Marvis Frazier & Steffen Tangstad.

I'll resurrect the Bugner thread in the BOP section when I put the next one up; too many nutters on this thread.

bennie wrote:Please, please, please Collins2000, for the sake of everyone and their therapists, do NOT put up Marvis Frazier vs Joe Bugner.
The ultimate sleepwalk.

bennie wrote:Please, please, please Collins2000, for the sake of everyone and their therapists, do NOT put up Marvis Frazier vs Joe Bugner.
The ultimate sleepwalk.

Coco wrote:

bennie wrote:Please, please, please Collins2000, for the sake of everyone and their therapists, do NOT put up Marvis Frazier vs Joe Bugner.
The ultimate sleepwalk.

I remember being allowed to stay up late as a kid to watch that one and fell asleep half way through. When I woke up I asked my dad who won, he didn't know either as he fell asleep too, thats a true story

Collins2000 wrote:Colin Jones vs Hans Henrik Palm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv6kI3l4HLY

Bladder wrote:

Collins2000 wrote:Colin Jones vs Hans Henrik Palm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv6kI3l4HLY

Brilliant!

Got any more Jones?

overhand_right wrote:

jonjrp wrote:

overhand_right wrote:My old man was a prison officer at wakefield in the mid 80s and knows alot about Paul Sykes.

He told me plenty of stuff last night over the phone, his first reaction to the mention of Sykes name being a groan followed by 'thats a gruesome name from the past'. Some of the stuff he told me included how in the weights room Sykes had hit one of the prison officers over the head with a weight of some description and the fella never worked again.

He said another prison officer, possibly called Barry Ramsden (?) or Marsden (?), was a huge guy, 6'4'' and a former heavyweight boxer himself. At some point in the past Barry had shared a ring with Sykes, he said he had no skill at all and if you had the balls to stand up to him he wasn't that dangerous at all. The old man recalled vividly how he turned his back on John L Gardner because the fight was a bit tough and that was the officers general opinion of Sykes, he was just a bully who wanted to dish it out but couldn't take it.

My favourite story though was how he told me there was a pub very near Wakefield Prison that Sykes like to frequent. One of his habits was to go up to people who'd just bought a pint, stand over them & spit in it, knowing they wouldn't then drink it so he'd take it off them and drink it himself. Well one night in the late 80s he performed this trick on some young fella hanging out in the pub with a few quiet but mean guys. They said nothing, let Sykes have the pint and all left. A few hours later, Sykes came out of the pub in the dark, obviously a little worse for wear after how many drinks, and these guys were all waiting for him. Apparently these guys knocked him to the ground and absolutely brutalised him, worked over something fierce and were evn taking free kicks on his head. After the beating Sykes was not seen around that area for a very long time.

Couldn't of happened to a more deserving fella, and my dad felt everybodys a lot better off with the guy dead & buried.

First off let me just say, with no offence meant, that your dad was talking pure crap when he says a weight was used in the assault against the screws. Paul Sykes wasn't in Wakefield jail in the mid "80s for a start, it was Hull jail and one of the screws was called John Raine who was punched once and had his jaw broken. The other one, I can't recall his name, but he got a punch and suffered a couple of broken ribs.
Talking about bullies let me just remind you about the screw Raine- in Everthorpe Borstal in the 1970s, he was a true bully with boys as young as 15 so you see what goes around comes around. He got his just deserts in the end
Paul sykes was serving 30 months at the time and this sentence was increased to 6 years for the GBH on the 2 screws

Actually mate he was not talking pure crap. He made it very clear to me that when he started at Wakefield Prison in the mid-80s Paul Sykes was not there any longer, and if you read my post i never said Sykes was there at the time. He was recounting grim tales from long time prison officers.

And the fact you refer to prison officers as 'screws' speaks volumes about you.

teddy007 wrote:

overhand_right wrote:My old man was a prison officer at wakefield in the mid 80s and knows alot about Paul Sykes.

He told me plenty of stuff last night over the phone, his first reaction to the mention of Sykes name being a groan followed by 'thats a gruesome name from the past'. Some of the stuff he told me included how in the weights room Sykes had hit one of the prison officers over the head with a weight of some description and the fella never worked again.

He said another prison officer, possibly called Barry Ramsden (?) or Marsden (?), was a huge guy, 6'4'' and a former heavyweight boxer himself. At some point in the past Barry had shared a ring with Sykes, he said he had no skill at all and if you had the balls to stand up to him he wasn't that dangerous at all. The old man recalled vividly how he turned his back on John L Gardner because the fight was a bit tough and that was the officers general opinion of Sykes, he was just a bully who wanted to dish it out but couldn't take it.

My favourite story though was how he told me there was a pub very near Wakefield Prison that Sykes like to frequent. One of his habits was to go up to people who'd just bought a pint, stand over them & spit in it, knowing they wouldn't then drink it so he'd take it off them and drink it himself. Well one night in the late 80s he performed this trick on some young fella hanging out in the pub with a few quiet but mean guys. They said nothing, let Sykes have the pint and all left. A few hours later, Sykes came out of the pub in the dark, obviously a little worse for wear after how many drinks, and these guys were all waiting for him. Apparently these guys knocked him to the ground and absolutely brutalised him, worked over something fierce and were evn taking free kicks on his head. After the beating Sykes was not seen around that area for a very long time.

Couldn't of happened to a more deserving fella, and my dad felt everybodys a lot better off with the guy dead & buried.

jonjrp wrote:

teddy007 wrote:

overhand_right wrote:My old man was a prison officer at wakefield in the mid 80s and knows alot about Paul Sykes.

He told me plenty of stuff last night over the phone, his first reaction to the mention of Sykes name being a groan followed by 'thats a gruesome name from the past'. Some of the stuff he told me included how in the weights room Sykes had hit one of the prison officers over the head with a weight of some description and the fella never worked again.

He said another prison officer, possibly called Barry Ramsden (?) or Marsden (?), was a huge guy, 6'4'' and a former heavyweight boxer himself. At some point in the past Barry had shared a ring with Sykes, he said he had no skill at all and if you had the balls to stand up to him he wasn't that dangerous at all. The old man recalled vividly how he turned his back on John L Gardner because the fight was a bit tough and that was the officers general opinion of Sykes, he was just a bully who wanted to dish it out but couldn't take it.

My favourite story though was how he told me there was a pub very near Wakefield Prison that Sykes like to frequent. One of his habits was to go up to people who'd just bought a pint, stand over them & spit in it, knowing they wouldn't then drink it so he'd take it off them and drink it himself. Well one night in the late 80s he performed this trick on some young fella hanging out in the pub with a few quiet but mean guys. They said nothing, let Sykes have the pint and all left. A few hours later, Sykes came out of the pub in the dark, obviously a little worse for wear after how many drinks, and these guys were all waiting for him. Apparently these guys knocked him to the ground and absolutely brutalised him, worked over something fierce and were evn taking free kicks on his head. After the beating Sykes was not seen around that area for a very long time.

Couldn't of happened to a more deserving fella, and my dad felt everybodys a lot better off with the guy dead & buried.

Sounds just deserving of that no good c*nt even thougn ihate people who attack people in groups. Lenny McLean wanted to fight sykes on the street and he wouldn't have, i know McLean wasn't that clever in the ring but on the street he was completely different, probably


Your dad was probably a bully too if he was a screw in the 80s as most of them were. It's not as easy these days to bully in jails when you are a screw.
Sykes was a bully , bullying the bullies in prison, ie: screws and they didn't seem to like it for some reason!! I wonder why.