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Re: Taylor has already said he won't !

Posted: 04 Dec 2008, 15:50
by Asterix
Jermain Taylor is a great boxer, but seems to have the mental aptitude of wet sack. In the second Pavlik fight Taylor showed flashes of brilliance, but they were seemingly undermined by a lack of effort.

I find Taylor frustrating.

Re: Taylor has already said he won't !

Posted: 04 Dec 2008, 16:25
by glahn
Taylor lacks heart and will probably take the easy options from now on. I doubt he'll fight Froch because he knows he'd get knocked out.

Re: Taylor has already said he won't !

Posted: 04 Dec 2008, 17:19
by DG.
glahn wrote:Taylor lacks heart and will probably take the easy options from now on. I doubt he'll fight Froch because he knows he'd get knocked out.

Tell T.Diddly!

:lol:



JT is not a 'FIGHTER'!

He ducked Eastman also, we should call him Donald!


Jermain 'Donald Duck' Taylor!


:lol:

Re: Taylor has already said he won't !

Posted: 04 Dec 2008, 19:31
by stujones
I think Taylor too talented to be written off, he looked sensational coming through, and give him his dues he's fought Hopkins x 2, Pavlik x 2, Joppy and Wright.

Having said that, its been a long time since he has impressed me.... he deserves to be among the elite names and in the reckoning for the big bouts, but his reign as the champion wasn't great. Well I thought he didn't beat Hopkins (twice) Spinks or Wright... the Wright decision being the worst of the 4 fights.

Personally, I think we will see Hopkins vs Taylor 3 in mid 2009.

Re: Taylor has already said he won't !

Posted: 04 Dec 2008, 19:39
by DG.
Terry D wrote:
DG. wrote:
glahn wrote:Taylor lacks heart and will probably take the easy options from now on. I doubt he'll fight Froch because he knows he'd get knocked out.

Tell T.Diddly!

:lol:



JT is not a 'FIGHTER'!

He ducked Eastman also, we should call him Donald!


Jermain 'Donald Duck' Taylor!


:lol:
What is this? You need an interlocuter to talk to me, you know who God is DG, don't force me to break down my surname again :shame:
Autobarn wrote:Just seemed a perfect fight to make him look good, did "Left Hook-less" Lacy. So many times I've got up for Taylor fights only to feel shortchanged. The comp is often very good, but the performances indecisive. It must be harder for a guy who was a millionaire before turning pro, to have the hunger and the killer instinct! I always thought it was the weight that was stopping him going that extra mile at middle. Felt that he would be the proverbial bigger, stronger, faster, more powerful, more energetic @ 168 - look sensational v Lacy, and maybe get something really big.

I'll give JT a pass, because he may need to get used to carrying 168. Maybe he should come in around 165, for speed. Maybe he's not used to the stronger (albeit slower) opposition. Who knows. If nothing big turns up, he's WBC mandatory and he's held every other belt at middle so it won't be hard to get ranked for the other champs.

How different things would have been if he'd got Pavlik out of there. He seemed to gain something in exciting defeat twice, but then Pavlik went and got greedy, took the payday, any payday, and got humiliated.
I think he looked good, more offensive than he did in his reign, and more subtle than he was in the Pavlik fights. He faded badly in the last round or two in Pavlik II so he may have needed to get through the middle rounds and finish strong, and he did well in the last two versus Lacy, in order to get his mojo going again.

Whatever happens in his career I think Taylor has a position in this instance, or his team do, put a name in front of Taylor, be it Froch or anyone, and I genuinely think he will fight that name, he has not ducked anyone, let alone Howard Eastman!

Only a mad gibbon would think the above, step forward Demented 'Der Gibberish' Gibbs!
The names God. D.God!


:lol:



:D

Re: Taylor has already said he won't !

Posted: 04 Dec 2008, 22:40
by Phenomenal-Nutrition
You mean DoG

Re: Taylor has already said he won't !

Posted: 05 Dec 2008, 02:59
by Tykemania
Autobarn wrote:Tayor said he wouldn't. Then as recently as last week, said that he would target Froch v Pascal winner. Taylor will be the mandatory for the WBC champ, so there shouldn't be too much to stop it happening. No money? Froch is a puncher with an actual personality, a competitor, and if he has a belt next weekend, there'll be money.

Taylor has a nice jab, can box tidily. But he got dropped by Lacy. Jermain is a "bean counter" style of fighter, who doesn't like real combat, but rather likes to pile up points repetitively; and doesn't have the assertiveness to do more than match his opponent's workrate. He looked weak from rd 5 on vs Lacy, after he got dropped by a right hand. A superfight, i.e. Calzaghe, is a bit in the clouds as Lou DiBella admitted recently.

Taylor has already been bested by Pavlik, and though he may have more energy up at 168 limit, he's not particularly strong at the weight, as he has spent most of his career vs light middleweights.

Froch has the perfect fight to get him up to world class, in Pascal. If he wins, he will likely have learned something new, and go on from strength to strength. Taylor pulls straight back, and is a sitting duck for a basic jab-right cross combination from a tall opponent.

Let's see how Froch does. After the fights, the picture is always a little bit different, sometimes drastically so.

I think there is a first point to consider, namely that Pascal is more than just an "opponent". We get force fed so many bad overseas fighters here that we forget the likes of Leuvano and Molitor who come over and turn out to be a bit tasty.

Okay, I fancy Froch still wins. Possibly late KO or close but clear points. What then? Taylor would be a logical next step - and would be an interesting fight, with Froch having the clear power advantage and freshness against Taylor's metronomic tapping. Its still a fight that builds towards something rather than career defining one for either man.

Re: Taylor has already said he won't !

Posted: 05 Dec 2008, 10:31
by DG.
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:You mean DoG

No God, can't you read?

Phenomenally Stupid!


:D

Re: Taylor has already said he won't !

Posted: 09 Dec 2008, 19:07
by Asterix
Taylor wants to fight Froch!
Responding to a news brief that was recently posted on BS.com, promoter Lou DiBella reached out earlier today to set the record straight. A few days back, we posted some comments made by Mick Hennessy, promoter of unbeaten WBC super middleweight champion Carl Froch. Hennessy went on the record with members of the UK press and told them that Taylor, the mandatory to Froch, was running away from his fighter by making a deal to challenge IBF champion Lucian Bute of Canada.

DiBella denies the statements made by Hennessy. Taylor has advised DiBella that he wants to fight Froch for the WBC title. Froch won the vacant title last Saturday after a gutsy performance against Jean Pascal in Nottingham. The twelve round contest was one of the best action fights of the year. DiBella watched the fight on a live internet feed, and he was very impressed with Froch.

“Contrary to what Mick Hennessey is saying, we are absolutely interested in fighting Carl Froch. If Froch is willing to come to North America, we are willing to make the fight. After watching Froch’s fight with Pascal, I will no longer say ‘who the Froch is Froch.’ I saw who he is and he’s a pretty damn good fighter. I think him and Jermain would make for a very good fight. Jermain told me that he wants the WBC title,” DiBella said.
http://www.BS.com/?m=show&id=17385

Re: Taylor has already said he won't !

Posted: 09 Dec 2008, 20:37
by Chambers2
Asterix wrote:Taylor wants to fight Froch!
Responding to a news brief that was recently posted on BS.com, promoter Lou DiBella reached out earlier today to set the record straight. A few days back, we posted some comments made by Mick Hennessy, promoter of unbeaten WBC super middleweight champion Carl Froch. Hennessy went on the record with members of the UK press and told them that Taylor, the mandatory to Froch, was running away from his fighter by making a deal to challenge IBF champion Lucian Bute of Canada.

DiBella denies the statements made by Hennessy. Taylor has advised DiBella that he wants to fight Froch for the WBC title. Froch won the vacant title last Saturday after a gutsy performance against Jean Pascal in Nottingham. The twelve round contest was one of the best action fights of the year. DiBella watched the fight on a live internet feed, and he was very impressed with Froch.

“Contrary to what Mick Hennessey is saying, we are absolutely interested in fighting Carl Froch. If Froch is willing to come to North America, we are willing to make the fight. After watching Froch’s fight with Pascal, I will no longer say ‘who the Froch is Froch.’ I saw who he is and he’s a pretty damn good fighter. I think him and Jermain would make for a very good fight. Jermain told me that he wants the WBC title,” DiBella said.
http://www.BS.com/?m=show&id=17385
:DDD :DDD

Carl could have options :D

Re: Taylor has already said he won't !

Posted: 09 Dec 2008, 20:48
by jameswilson
Good news, I think Froch and Hennessy should bite the bullet and be willing to go to the USA, Froch's stock would rise massively from a fight with Taylor and Im sure he would also make a hell of a lot of money from a fight with Taylor in say Las Vegas, I may be wrong but I think Taylor is a popular fighter who puts backsides in seats over in the USA. Also I thought it was a nice touch from DiBella to admit he was impressed with the fight between Froch and Pascal.

Re: Taylor has already said he won't !

Posted: 09 Dec 2008, 20:54
by Coco
They can't be too impressed if they want to fight him now. Carl isn't gonna generate the money over there and they must feel he is beatable.
It's the fight for Froch though, good money, good exposure and I feel it's a winnable fight. It will also make the man from Nottingham a bit of a name, and without that American TV you are little in this game.
I think Hennessy should make the fight in Nottingham though, Carl is the champ and he does not want to be giving any advantages away

Re: Taylor has already said he won't !

Posted: 09 Dec 2008, 21:37
by Max Molyneux
DG there Is only one god here, I was born In the same month as Jesus to prove It.

If Taylor fights Froch then so long Froch's reign.

Re: Taylor has already said he won't !

Posted: 10 Dec 2008, 02:25
by Gray-Fox
Max Molyneux wrote: If Taylor fights Froch then so long Froch's reign.
I agree, purely because Jermain has fought much much better opponents and he has a good right hand.

Re: Taylor has already said he won't !

Posted: 10 Dec 2008, 02:44
by Autobarn
Good test, great winnable fight for Froch. I kept on saying that DiBella had been more hopeful, and that Taylor had said he wanted the WBC shot.

Obviously, it'll happen if it's in America, by DiBella's comments.

Re: Taylor has already said he won't !

Posted: 10 Dec 2008, 05:56
by Chambers2
Fitness and power has caused Taylor problems in the past against Pavlik and it'll do it again against Taylor

Re: Taylor has already said he won't !

Posted: 11 Dec 2008, 16:25
by DG.
Max Molyneux wrote:DG there Is only one god here, I was born In the same month as Jesus to prove It.

If Taylor fights Froch then so long Froch's reign.


But Max, G is the 7th letter made. I am Da.God!

You can be Jesus, welcome my son!


:D

Re: Taylor has already said he won't !

Posted: 11 Dec 2008, 16:29
by DG.
Coco wrote:They can't be too impressed if they want to fight him now. Carl isn't gonna generate the money over there and they must feel he is beatable.
It's the fight for Froch though, good money, good exposure and I feel it's a winnable fight. It will also make the man from Nottingham a bit of a name, and without that American TV you are little in this game.
I think Hennessy should make the fight in Nottingham though, Carl is the champ and he does not want to be giving any advantages away

Froch has to keep his hands up - then he wips the floor with Jermain 'no Stamina - the ducker' Taylor.

I would pick Pascal to beat Taylor.


:D

Re: Taylor has already said he won't !

Posted: 11 Dec 2008, 16:51
by whatashambles
On BBC Boxing just now they had Henessey on saying DiBella phoned him today with an interest in making the fight.

Re: Taylor has already said he won't !

Posted: 11 Dec 2008, 18:00
by Torres1
i really think this has to be Carl's next route it has the American big name boxer for the exposure and Carl said on setanta sports today he was willing to go to America to fight Taylor.Judging by Taylor now willing to take this fight we can safely presume that they are thinking Carl is an easy touch now based on Carl's poor performance against pascal i am a froch fan and it wasn't great for the first six rounds but when Carl used the jab he looked so much better if he could use it for the whole fight against Taylor i give him a much better chance although i would slightly favour Taylor based on the better all round skills he posses Carl has the heart, chin and jab not sure he can stick to the game plans set out for him.this fight has to happen :box: