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Glyn Leach wrote: I have no sympathy for Oscar at all. He attempted to cheat his way into becoming P4P champ by fighting a super featherweight (one fight at lightweight does not a lightweight make), there are well documented concerns regarding the calibration of the scales for the fight also, and it all blew up in his face.

When I heard Ian Darke - who I have the greatest respect for, as I do Graham, obviously - compare the spectacle to Ali losing to Holmes I have to wonder. The difference for me is that Ali matched himself hard, against the best fighter in his OWN DIVISION, and it went wrong, whereas Oscar did the exact opposite, he gave himself every possible advantage and karma called hard.

Glyn Leach wrote:
Doesn't matter where taking away media credentials happens, it's wrong - but more so when some cheesy grinned fake nice guy does it. At least a real promoter will c*** you off to your face and you can have a row with them.

banjo wrote:DG will you stop comparing him to Anna

Anna may have lost the big ones but she redeems herself

stujones wrote:Just wondering what people thought about the Boxing Monthly - I thought the Graham Houston article on the DLH vs Pacquaio was a little OTT against DLH. "Chickens come home to roost" - a real nice way to describe a world champion who has fought the likes of Trinidad, Mosley, Quartey, Vargas, Hopkins - yes might not have beaten all of these, but fought them.

Then it describes the fight and I think the comparisons of it with Leonard vs Norris and Ali vs Holmes is spot on, but then in next paragraph says - In truth Oscar didn't EVEN go down fighting, not in the time honoured sense" - implying the Ali, Leonard etc did. Ali vs Holmes ending was almost a replica to this fight and Leonard just survived at the end and lasted the course.

The picture claims that the likes of Hernandez, Leija, and Molina were not just outweighed but faded when DLH fought them. I disagree that they were faded, but were outsized.

My primary criticism of the article is the nothing that DLH didn't care, didn't really try just accepted defeat. There was no real proof of that. He didn't have it in him, doesn't mean he was happy with that.

Evander wrote:

stujones wrote:Just wondering what people thought about the Boxing Monthly - I thought the Graham Houston article on the DLH vs Pacquaio was a little OTT against DLH. "Chickens come home to roost" - a real nice way to describe a world champion who has fought the likes of Trinidad, Mosley, Quartey, Vargas, Hopkins - yes might not have beaten all of these, but fought them.

Then it describes the fight and I think the comparisons of it with Leonard vs Norris and Ali vs Holmes is spot on, but then in next paragraph says - In truth Oscar didn't EVEN go down fighting, not in the time honoured sense" - implying the Ali, Leonard etc did. Ali vs Holmes ending was almost a replica to this fight and Leonard just survived at the end and lasted the course.

The picture claims that the likes of Hernandez, Leija, and Molina were not just outweighed but faded when DLH fought them. I disagree that they were faded, but were outsized.

My primary criticism of the article is the nothing that DLH didn't care, didn't really try just accepted defeat. There was no real proof of that. He didn't have it in him, doesn't mean he was happy with that.

Stu ... You can't stay in the current forum with the big boys.
So pis* off unless you have something to say.


You are are in the big leagues here player.

Step off before we put a hole in you.

DG. wrote:

Evander wrote:

stujones wrote:Just wondering what people thought about the Boxing Monthly - I thought the Graham Houston article on the DLH vs Pacquaio was a little OTT against DLH. "Chickens come home to roost" - a real nice way to describe a world champion who has fought the likes of Trinidad, Mosley, Quartey, Vargas, Hopkins - yes might not have beaten all of these, but fought them.

Then it describes the fight and I think the comparisons of it with Leonard vs Norris and Ali vs Holmes is spot on, but then in next paragraph says - In truth Oscar didn't EVEN go down fighting, not in the time honoured sense" - implying the Ali, Leonard etc did. Ali vs Holmes ending was almost a replica to this fight and Leonard just survived at the end and lasted the course.

The picture claims that the likes of Hernandez, Leija, and Molina were not just outweighed but faded when DLH fought them. I disagree that they were faded, but were outsized.

My primary criticism of the article is the nothing that DLH didn't care, didn't really try just accepted defeat. There was no real proof of that. He didn't have it in him, doesn't mean he was happy with that.

Stu ... You can't stay in the current forum with the big boys.
So pis* off unless you have something to say.


You are are in the big leagues here player.

Step off before we put a hole in you.

Attack of the Septics!

Evander wrote: Beats the overated Brits with a drug problem.

stujones wrote:I am lost now!

Evander wrote:

stujones wrote:Just wondering what people thought about the Boxing Monthly - I thought the Graham Houston article on the DLH vs Pacquaio was a little OTT against DLH. "Chickens come home to roost" - a real nice way to describe a world champion who has fought the likes of Trinidad, Mosley, Quartey, Vargas, Hopkins - yes might not have beaten all of these, but fought them.

Then it describes the fight and I think the comparisons of it with Leonard vs Norris and Ali vs Holmes is spot on, but then in next paragraph says - In truth Oscar didn't EVEN go down fighting, not in the time honoured sense" - implying the Ali, Leonard etc did. Ali vs Holmes ending was almost a replica to this fight and Leonard just survived at the end and lasted the course.

The picture claims that the likes of Hernandez, Leija, and Molina were not just outweighed but faded when DLH fought them. I disagree that they were faded, but were outsized.

My primary criticism of the article is the nothing that DLH didn't care, didn't really try just accepted defeat. There was no real proof of that. He didn't have it in him, doesn't mean he was happy with that.

Stu ... You can't stay in the current forum with the big boys.
So pis* off unless you have something to say.


You are are in the big leagues here player.

Step off before we put a hole in you.

Glyn Leach wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Surely not Glyn, I cannot see people buying into Hatton v DLH right now, after a crushing defeat.

I agree that it probably isn't over - Oscar is an egomaniac, he will want to go out with a win - he'll probably have some sort of farewell fight - though considering he looked poor against Forbes and terrible against Pacman, hard to see who they could wheel out - Trinidad? Vargas, both are old and shot - and both need a payday no doubt.

Taking away media credentials - would never happen here of course - oh, wait a minute.......

Doesn't matter where taking away media credentials happens, it's wrong - but more so when some cheesy grinned fake nice guy does it. At least a real promoter will c*** you off to your face and you can have a row with them.

Re Oscar-Hatton, it's not about people James, it's about HBO and an event. Oscar's apologists are out in force already - 'he was drained, he made the weight wrong'. And maybe that's the truth! And let's face it, if people paid in their droves to watch Manfredo and Lazcano, even the ghost of De La Hoya could be considered marketable. Bit of spin, nice 24/7, yeah, that could work.

Fact is even before the fight Oscar was talking about Hatton at Wembley, win or lose. My take on PBF announcing his comeback on the very same day Arum was hinting at Hatton-Pac is that Floyd wants Pacman (and the P4P title again). Neither is hooked up to Golden Boy, it is a mega, mega fight from which they would take all the money, no grafter for Shafter and the boys.

Ricky, meanwhile, is already in bed with Golden Boy, under contract, making Hatton vs the 'rejuvenated' Oscar a natural. Oscar wants to fight in a big outdoor event and there isn't one on offer in the US. Same can be said for his buddy Hopkins, that's why Calzaghe will fight him in Cardiff, despite the first fight being as boring as hell.

It's not about people, it's all about GBP and HBO - what they want goes. They have already proved they believe bums on seats to be old school. If GBP can get the backing of HBO for a fight, it's a done deal.

And don't forget the way the ignorant national press in this country talked up Calzaghe's win over Shaun of the Dead Jones! Name recognition is worth far more than talent in this climate, sadly, and that is what GBP trades upon with it's roster of veterans.

Glyn Leach wrote:Graham is class mate, always, pleasure to work with him.

And much as I'd love to see Pacman-PBF, Pacman-Hatton has ever greater appeal - I think Ricky wins that.

stujones wrote:James,

I think you are lucky - if you have met a Welsh boxing fan who you can actually convince about the meaning of victory Jones Jnr version 2008. I have there "its only 3 years between them", "he's younger than hopkins", "he's one dimensional", "weight is a ready made excuse" - they actually say I know jack about the sport.

On Floyd, I am not sure - I mean DLH vs Mayweather 2 was set apparently - why did Floyd retire, it was the biggest fight out there for him.

Captain Hook wrote:

Glyn Leach wrote:Graham is class mate, always, pleasure to work with him.

And much as I'd love to see Pacman-PBF, Pacman-Hatton has ever greater appeal - I think Ricky wins that.

Good to see you on here Glyn, but I disagree on Hatton.

Think Pacquaio will have too much for him and possibly even stop him late. The only guy I can se beating him between lightweight and welter is Floyd, if he ever comes back.

banjo wrote:I never saw the controversy with the first Castillo fight I had Floyd winning quite clearly and I had him beating Oscar quite clearly as well.

Dioufy wrote:You have to be kidding, Banjo. I had Castillo a full FOUR points ahead against Mayweather.

stujones wrote:To be fair though, he did rematch the only the fight deemed controvesial "Castillo" - the has been no need to rematch anyone else, and I for one (and I think alot agree) think the DLH fight was alot closer than the Castillo first fight.

REAL_DEAL wrote:BM should of included Beibut Shumenov in their prospects.