Round-by-Round: Joe Joyce vs. Daniel Dubois - 28 November 2020

[Gnome]

Dillian Whyte

"They ain't got nothing to say right now. Man's out here quitting. Sh-t, man's out here quitting in mid-fight," Dillian Whyte said on Instagram.

"They were saying they wanna fight me and they were gonna knock me out. One thing with me, no quit, straight warrior. If I'm losing, I'm getting knocked out. Straight warrior, straight warrior. And these cowards wanna mention [me].... f--king fish eyes and Daniel Dubois."

He needs to pipe down. Never saw the attraction with him. But a big oaf with a gob.

Whyte is the least likeable heavyweight around today.

[mickey1975]

I genuinely think Whyte has forgotten the Pov fight!
He’s even said Wilder is the B side because of the manner Fury beat him.

[maverick23]

Dillian Whyte

"They ain't got nothing to say right now. Man's out here quitting. Sh-t, man's out here quitting in mid-fight," Dillian Whyte said on Instagram.

"They were saying they wanna fight me and they were gonna knock me out. One thing with me, no quit, straight warrior. If I'm losing, I'm getting knocked out. Straight warrior, straight warrior. And these cowards wanna mention [me].... f--king fish eyes and Daniel Dubois."

He needs to pipe down. Never saw the attraction with him. But a big oaf with a gob.

Whyte is the least likeable heavyweight around today.

I don’t know. Frank came out after he was beat by Povetkin and was really gloating and saying how Dubois would have destroyed him. After seeing the fight last night I expected him to retaliate.

[maverick23]

Is it just me or is DD only getting the ‘quitter’ flack from fighters linked with the Hearn/Sky machine? I mean, he’s mostly getting it off the likes of Bellew cos he’s a Warren fighter, let’s face it. If AJ did the exact same fvcking thing the lot of them would be praising his intelligence to live and fight another day I reckon, genuine risk to health, fighters welfare, feed these kids. Was Bellew screaming ‘spewed it’ at Brook when coincidentally they were both on the Matchroom payroll? Leaves a nasty taste from each and every one of them. Frampton id like to have thought better of.

It’s just you. Frampton and Haye have him a hard time straight after the fight and Hatton’s come out too. Kugan has better relationships with the guys associated with Sky which is why they’re the people complaining with the most noise about it.

[KiwiRider]

Dubois has always been massively overhyped

Well, that's part of the game, isn't it? He looked impressive on the way up, got tested, and came up short.
DD is young enough to come back from this.
Hughie Fury lost to Joseph Parker when he was around the same age...
Actually, that's not a great example.

[KiwiRider]

Dillian Whyte

"They ain't got nothing to say right now. Man's out here quitting. Sh-t, man's out here quitting in mid-fight," Dillian Whyte said on Instagram.

"They were saying they wanna fight me and they were gonna knock me out. One thing with me, no quit, straight warrior. If I'm losing, I'm getting knocked out. Straight warrior, straight warrior. And these cowards wanna mention [me].... f--king fish eyes and Daniel Dubois."

He needs to pipe down. Never saw the attraction with him. But a big oaf with a gob.

Whyte is the least likeable heavyweight around today.

It's a very competitive division.

[adislav123]

Disappointing to read that some folk think Dubois quit.

When your eye snaps it's natural to go straight into protection mode.

that was a hard jab, the knuckle not the flat front of the glove went directly in the already shut swollen eye, damaged some nerve for sure if it hopefully didn't even crack or broke something.

his delayed reaction clearly showed the pain, there's no two ways of "handling" something like that, he took the knee cause he had to.

that he got up the moment he was counted out didn't look good but it was a reflex & the next punches from joyce would've targeted that damaged eye again and he wouldn't have even seen them.

so where is the sense in fighting on, risk permanent damage just so the same idiots that now call him weak and a quitter could babble shit about him being a warrior and going out on his shield. people who's opinions he shouldn't give a flying duck anyways.

[Tarquin Tarpaulin IV]

Disappointing to read that some folk think Dubois quit.

When your eye snaps it's natural to go straight into protection mode.

that was a hard jab, the knuckle not the flat front of the glove went directly in the already shut swollen eye, damaged some nerve for sure if it hopefully didn't even crack or broke something.

his delayed reaction clearly showed the pain, there's no two ways of "handling" something like that, he took the knee cause he had to.

that he got up the moment he was counted out didn't look good but it was a reflex & the next punches from joyce would've targeted that damaged eye again and he wouldn't have even seen them.

so where is the sense in fighting on, risk permanent damage just so the same idiots that now call him weak and a quitter could babble shit about him being a warrior and going out on his shield. people who's opinions he shouldn't give a flying duck anyways.

I couldn't agree more

[emallini]

Hammer would be a decent comeback fight next year.

[Controversial]

I don't blame the lad for quitting tbh, a broken orbital bone and nerve damage is no joke so unfair for some to call him a quitter in these circumstances. I just hope it's not caused him permanent damage. The big test is mentally though, even if he's ok and fights on, its whether he becomes gun shy and worried to get hit back.

[margaret thatcher]

Hammer would be a decent comeback fight next year.

ya, exactly the right type of guy i think

[Counter-puncher]

i got round to watching this last night

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned (what seemed to me) the obvious tactical ploy of JJ, which Dubois had no answer for; he just kept stepping off to his (Joyce's) right instead of to his own left like my fighters go when moving off the jab. That's what continually gave him the angle to hit the left eye with his own left jab, he was moving away from DD's right to nullify it defensively, but using the angle to attack DD with the jab when he was out of position.

[Counter-puncher]

He needs to pipe down. Never saw the attraction with him. But a big oaf with a gob.

Whyte is the least likeable heavyweight around today.

It's a very competitive division.

[mickey1975]

i got round to watching this last night

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned (what seemed to me) the obvious tactical ploy of JJ, which Dubois had no answer for; he just kept stepping off to his (Joyce's) right instead of to his own left like my fighters go when moving off the jab. That's what continually gave him the angle to hit the left eye with his own left jab, he was moving away from DD's right to nullify it defensively, but using the angle to attack DD with the jab when he was out of position.

I thought I did, but must have said it on FB.

[Nightmare Roy]

Is it just me or is DD only getting the ‘quitter’ flack from fighters linked with the Hearn/Sky machine? I mean, he’s mostly getting it off the likes of Bellew cos he’s a Warren fighter, let’s face it. If AJ did the exact same fvcking thing the lot of them would be praising his intelligence to live and fight another day I reckon, genuine risk to health, fighters welfare, feed these kids. Was Bellew screaming ‘spewed it’ at Brook when coincidentally they were both on the Matchroom payroll? Leaves a nasty taste from each and every one of them. Frampton id like to have thought better of.

Kugan was up first thing making as many videos as he could with people slating him wasn’t he,

[Boxerbeetle]

i got round to watching this last night

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned (what seemed to me) the obvious tactical ploy of JJ, which Dubois had no answer for; he just kept stepping off to his (Joyce's) right instead of to his own left like my fighters go when moving off the jab. That's what continually gave him the angle to hit the left eye with his own left jab, he was moving away from DD's right to nullify it defensively, but using the angle to attack DD with the jab when he was out of position.

It’s been mentioned plenty of times

[Counter-puncher]

i got round to watching this last night

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned (what seemed to me) the obvious tactical ploy of JJ, which Dubois had no answer for; he just kept stepping off to his (Joyce's) right instead of to his own left like my fighters go when moving off the jab. That's what continually gave him the angle to hit the left eye with his own left jab, he was moving away from DD's right to nullify it defensively, but using the angle to attack DD with the jab when he was out of position.

It’s been mentioned plenty of times

ha ok good, i must have missed a lot of the discussion then

[Counter-puncher]

Is it just me or is DD only getting the ‘quitter’ flack from fighters linked with the Hearn/Sky machine? I mean, he’s mostly getting it off the likes of Bellew cos he’s a Warren fighter, let’s face it. If AJ did the exact same fvcking thing the lot of them would be praising his intelligence to live and fight another day I reckon, genuine risk to health, fighters welfare, feed these kids. Was Bellew screaming ‘spewed it’ at Brook when coincidentally they were both on the Matchroom payroll? Leaves a nasty taste from each and every one of them. Frampton id like to have thought better of.

Kugan was up first thing making as many videos as he could with people slating him wasn’t he,

I don't know was he? i don't follow him, or his like

[moogie101]

I don't get why people are arguing whether Daniel quit or not. he was in pain & decided he'd had enough, so he quit.

The real argument should be what the hell was the ref & Dubois's cornermen playing at? He was clearly in distress & pain for several rounds, also I'm assuming his vision out of that one eye was extremely compromised. If one of them would have done the right thing & called it off he'd have saved face, no doubt publicly complained even if being privately being relieved it was all over.

Sometimes we expect too much from boxers, comparing them against legendary efforts from the past. But they are still human & the whole "no mas" thing haunted Duran's career & that was long before the anonymity of social media where fans & pundits alike are piling in on Dubois & making a bad situation much worse.

[Fightnight Scores]

that was a hard jab, the knuckle not the flat front of the glove went directly in the already shut swollen eye, damaged some nerve for sure if it hopefully didn't even crack or broke something.

his delayed reaction clearly showed the pain, there's no two ways of "handling" something like that, he took the knee cause he had to.

that he got up the moment he was counted out didn't look good but it was a reflex & the next punches from joyce would've targeted that damaged eye again and he wouldn't have even seen them.

so where is the sense in fighting on, risk permanent damage just so the same idiots that now call him weak and a quitter could babble shit about him being a warrior and going out on his shield. people who's opinions he shouldn't give a flying duck anyways.

This is probably the fairest assessment I've read.

The real argument should be what the hell was the ref & Dubois's cornermen playing at? He was clearly in distress & pain for several rounds, also I'm assuming his vision out of that one eye was extremely compromised. If one of them would have done the right thing & called it off he'd have saved face, no doubt publicly complained even if being privately being relieved it was all over.

An argument could be that Dubois could have had that big leveller to turn the fight on it's head, but the eye caved before he was able to find that.

[moogie101]

that was a hard jab, the knuckle not the flat front of the glove went directly in the already shut swollen eye, damaged some nerve for sure if it hopefully didn't even crack or broke something.

his delayed reaction clearly showed the pain, there's no two ways of "handling" something like that, he took the knee cause he had to.

that he got up the moment he was counted out didn't look good but it was a reflex & the next punches from joyce would've targeted that damaged eye again and he wouldn't have even seen them.

so where is the sense in fighting on, risk permanent damage just so the same idiots that now call him weak and a quitter could babble shit about him being a warrior and going out on his shield. people who's opinions he shouldn't give a flying duck anyways.

This is probably the fairest assessment I've read.

The real argument should be what the hell was the ref & Dubois's cornermen playing at? He was clearly in distress & pain for several rounds, also I'm assuming his vision out of that one eye was extremely compromised. If one of them would have done the right thing & called it off he'd have saved face, no doubt publicly complained even if being privately being relieved it was all over.

An argument could be that Dubois could have had that big leveller to turn the fight on it's head, but the eye caved before he was able to find that.

He's caught Joyce several times throughout the fight and hadn't come close to achieving that though.

[Fightnight Scores]

He's caught Joyce several times throughout the fight and hadn't come close to achieving that though.

Yeah, but there's the old "what if" factor. And with it being the heavyweight division, the old cliche rings true, one punch can change a fight. While Dubois did land some decent shots earlier in the fight, I don't think any of them where landed at full pelt and clean enough to change the course of the fight.

[knockout]

Moogie : great post ... the fight clearly illustrated the need for genuine neutral referees.

The eye should have at least been looked at by the doctor at the referees request.

A corner are never going to have a totally impartial view in these situations as they are emotionally invested and of course can misjudge things.

So ultimately the referee/ doctors needs to protect the safety and welfare of the fighter

[Gnome]

that was a hard jab, the knuckle not the flat front of the glove went directly in the already shut swollen eye, damaged some nerve for sure if it hopefully didn't even crack or broke something.

his delayed reaction clearly showed the pain, there's no two ways of "handling" something like that, he took the knee cause he had to.

that he got up the moment he was counted out didn't look good but it was a reflex & the next punches from joyce would've targeted that damaged eye again and he wouldn't have even seen them.

so where is the sense in fighting on, risk permanent damage just so the same idiots that now call him weak and a quitter could babble shit about him being a warrior and going out on his shield. people who's opinions he shouldn't give a flying duck anyways.

This is probably the fairest assessment I've read.

The real argument should be what the hell was the ref & Dubois's cornermen playing at? He was clearly in distress & pain for several rounds, also I'm assuming his vision out of that one eye was extremely compromised. If one of them would have done the right thing & called it off he'd have saved face, no doubt publicly complained even if being privately being relieved it was all over.

An argument could be that Dubois could have had that big leveller to turn the fight on it's head, but the eye caved before he was able to find that.

Agree.

[coghaugen11]

joe joyce (the olympian who truthfully deserved gold WAY more than AJ did) has been criminally underrated by the oh so knowledgeable boxing fans. Always fancied him to be a fighter greater than the sum of his parts.

Wasn't he 31-32 in the Olympics, as opposed to 18-19 or a novice by comparison