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Goodnight, Irene wrote: But, TF, ain't you heard? Kendall Holt don't back down, he lays backs down! D

Weak chins make people tired

Lopez by wide decision.

Ike Quartey (1995) vs. Paulie Williams (Present) at 147lbs...

Williams is a stylistic nightmare for anyone. Huge wingspan, throws tons of punches, and a solid chin. Oh, and a southpaw. Williams UD.

Michael Dokes vs David Haye at HW

If we're talking about a Dokes in his pomp who shows up, & ready to fight, he takes a decision. I like Haye, though, & am keen to see where his career takes him.

Max Schmeling (1932) & Joe Walcott (1947) over fifteen rounds. Very close, IMO.

Good match up.

Its truely a pick em fight.

I see Walcott boxing his way to a very close and tight win. Both men take
turns at counter punching during the course of the fight and Schmelling
gets Walcott to nearly drop in the sixth. The later rounds see's a slick
Walcott cruising his way to a good hard earned win.

Walcott UD.

Donovan Ruddock (1990) Vs John Tate (1979) 15 rounds.

Goodnight, Irene wrote: I like Haye, though, & am keen to see where his career takes him.

To some smelling salts soon, if he climbs throught the ropes with Vitali.

Robinson wrote:Good match up.

Its truely a pick em fight.

I see Walcott boxing his way to a very close and tight win. Both men take
turns at counter punching during the course of the fight and Schmelling
gets Walcott to nearly drop in the sixth. The later rounds see's a slick
Walcott cruising his way to a good hard earned win.

Walcott UD.

Donovan Ruddock (1990) Vs John Tate (1979) 15 rounds.

@ TF

I see a mid-rounds stoppage for Ruddock, Kym. Ruddock strikes me as a little under-rated, probably because of the Lewis catastrophe. Tate was good, though, & it remains a winnable fight for him, certainly.

Staying with Ruddock, how about the early 90's version (say, the one who clashed so spectacularly with Tyson) against the Ibeabuchi who monstered Byrd?

i also think ruddock is under-rated and i take him to KO Ike in 3 rounds. Ike made it to his feet after the first KD but the second knocked him through the ropes and the ref didnt bother counting after 4.

battle of the technically 3rd rate welters;
dave "boy" green v ahmed kotiev

harrygreb wrote:i also think ruddock is under-rated and i take him to KO Ike in 3 rounds. Ike made it to his feet after the first KD but the second knocked him through the ropes and the ref didnt bother counting after 4.

battle of the technically 3rd rate welters;
dave "boy" green v ahmed kotiev

Don't know much about these two, but...
imo, Ahmed Kotiev by close but fair UD.

Prime v Prime

Jose Badillo v Joan Guzmán at 126

observer1 wrote:

harrygreb wrote:i also think ruddock is under-rated and i take him to KO Ike in 3 rounds. Ike made it to his feet after the first KD but the second knocked him through the ropes and the ref didnt bother counting after 4.

battle of the technically 3rd rate welters;
dave "boy" green v ahmed kotiev

Don't know much about these two, but...
imo, Ahmed Kotiev by close but fair UD.

Prime v Prime

Jose Badillo v Joan Guzmán at 126

Guzman by UD.

Next up:
Doubleheader:

Sultan Ibragomov vs Tommy Morrison

12 Rounds

Henry Cooper vs Joe Hipp

10 Rounds

Morrison loses the early rounds against a cautious Ibragimov, before putting him away in the sixth. Cooper outpoints Hipp, surviving a knockdown along the way.

Stevie Johnston against Diego Corrales. Twelve rounds at Lightweight...

no KD'S but corrales wins the last two rounds to clearly decision stevie.

i must like welterweight dust ups because here comes another;
gary jacobs v johnny bratton

harrygreb wrote:no KD'S but corrales wins the last two rounds to clearly decision stevie.

i must like welterweight dust ups because here comes another;
gary jacobs v johnny bratton

Under modern conditions, prime vrs. prime, I would pick Bratton to win by split decision in 12 rounds.

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Prime vrs prime: Gene Tunney vrs. Max Schmeling, modern conditions, scheduled for 12 rounds?

Good match. I was thinking of posting that, myself. Tunney & Schmeling were both excellent counter-punchers. Schmeling was a clever tactician, Tunney a cut above him in this regard, though. Tunney better defensively, & he had a stronger chin, but Schmeling no slouch in either department, & he was unquestionably the harder puncher. I would favour Tunney by close, but clear, decision. Good, competitive fight.

Tszyu-Hatton is cancelled. After defeating Castillo, Corrales moves to Jr. Welter for a bout with Tszyu, 2005. Who takes the chocolates?

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Good match. I was thinking of posting that, myself. Tunney & Schmeling were both excellent counter-punchers. Schmeling was a clever tactician, Tunney a cut above him in this regard, though. Tunney better defensively, & he had a stronger chin, but Schmeling no slouch in either department, & he was unquestionably the harder puncher. I would favour Tunney by close, but clear, decision. Good, competitive fight.

Tszyu-Hatton is cancelled. After defeating Castillo, Corrales moves to Jr. Welter for a bout with Tszyu, 2005. Who takes the chocolates?

in a epic battle tszyu lands flush right hand after right hand in the 10th corrales is counted out

mayweather vs duran @ welterweight

The Duran who bested Leonard would probably produce too much rough stuff for Mayweather to deal with, IMO. Mayweather may do better in --- perhaps win --- a rematch, but first up? Again, if it's the best Welterweight version of Duran, I favour him via a late stoppage. You never saw Mayweather so hurt, legally & illegally. He retires on his stool after ten or eleven rounds. It was competitive, though, think along the lines of Tszyu-Hatton.

Staying with Duran, how does the 1983 iteration who stopped Davey Moore do against Antonio Margarito?

Duran wins a UD. Even though his enevitable slide had begun at this point,
his class is too much for the tough as nails Margarito.

Tracy Patterson vs Manny Pacquiao at 122, right before Pac man burst onto the scene.

tzyuforever wrote:Tracy Patterson vs Manny Pacquiao at 122, right before Pac man burst onto the scene.

Patterson was a good, underrated technician who could punch and take a punch.

Pac was more one-dimensional at this weight and his chin was sometimes suspect as well. Frankly, I wasn't really that impressed with Pacquiao below 126.

This might shock and even anger a lot of people here, but I'd give the edge to Patterson here by mid-round stoppage.


Next up: Johnny Tapia vs. Khaosai Galaxy, for the unofficial title of "best jr. bantam ever".

Galaxy by comfortable decision. I don't personally see how Tapia would trouble him for extended periods. In bursts, yes, but it won't be enough in the end. Galaxy is criminally under-appreciated

Mayweather vs. Pavlik, Middleweight, circa December, 2007...

pavlik, though made to look ponderous at times, connects with enough leather to slow down the bigger (and slower) version of mayweather. his body shots have a telling effect on floyd by the 6th round and after a particularly rough 9th mayweather has had enough. his corner informs the referee that the fight is over.

weigh this one up;

harry greb v george chuvalo

harrygreb wrote:pavlik, though made to look ponderous at times, connects with enough leather to slow down the bigger (and slower) version of mayweather. his body shots have a telling effect on floyd by the 6th round and after a particularly rough 9th mayweather has had enough. his corner informs the referee that the fight is over.

weigh this one up;

harry greb v george chuvalo

I would pick Greb by UD.Outworks and Outslicks the Human Tank Chuvalo.

Chuvalo tries and tries but cant quite find the mark.Resorts to headbutts and excessive holding out of frustration and Greb delivers his own dirty tactics,and keeps on keeping on.Greb gets pushed down several times by a maddeningly frustrated Chuvalo and proceeds to taunt the crap out of em in the last round,which i guess we Should say,the 15th?

Next up:

Another doubleheader:

Stanley Ketchell vs Dwight Muhammed Qawi at 175

Ketchell weighs in at 170,comes into the ring at 173.
Qawi weighs in at 175,comes into the ring at 185.

12 Rounds

& then...

Johnny Tapia(96 version) vs Barry McGuigan(86 version) at 126

12 Rounds

Qawi, the bigger stronger fighter, is too much for Ketchel, and they take turns abusing each other until the fight
is waved off, with Qawi the victor.

At 126 this becomes more interesting, but I like any version of an even close to prime Tapia over McGuigan.
Tapia by a MD.

A double dip of heavyweights, of the monolith variety.

First up, Primo Carnera vs Nicoly Valuev, 15 rds

The nightcap, on a slightly smaller scale, Vitali Kitschko vs Ernie Terrell 12 rds

tzyuforever wrote:Qawi, the bigger stronger fighter, is too much for Ketchel, and they take turns abusing each other until the fight
is waved off, with Qawi the victor.

At 126 this becomes more interesting, but I like any version of an even close to prime Tapia over McGuigan.
Tapia by a MD.

A double dip of heavyweights, of the monolith variety.

First up, Primo Carnera vs Nicoly Valuev, 15 rds

The nightcap, on a slightly smaller scale, Vitali Kitschko vs Ernie Terrell 12 rds

valuev to big for carnera KO9 probably a few knockdowns

vit klitschko has the tools to beat terrell terrell doesnt last the distance and is KO'd in the 10th

shane mosley vs floyd mayweather at lightweight 12 rds

Mosley is the lesser fighter overall, but he was the stronger, more consistent Lightweight. He'd have out-hustled this version of Mayweather for a close UD, with the early rounds (all Mosley) would prove vital --- Mayweather coming on down the stretch, but not enough.

Sugar Shane MD12 Pretty Boy Floyd.

1993: George Foreman (72-3-0) becomes the first challenger to Riddick Bowe's (32-0-0) newly-minted Heavyweight title.

You are a deranged man

Foreman and Bowe take turns turning each other's face into hamburger meat for the full 12 rounds.
Bowe avoids the kill shot that Moorer could not, and secures the UD, 117-111 variety.

Antonio Tarver (right after the Jones KO) vs Joe Calzaghe (before the Lacy fight)