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[Daho junior]

I'd like to take time to thank everyone who continues to keep my Brother Naj's name alive today. He was taken away from us on the 29th August 1993 and 24 years later he's still being mentioned. I met Barry McGuigan last year and he said that Naj was a great fighter but more so a great friend. Please forward this message to others.
Kind Regards
Sam

Couple of Najib Daho fights I'd never seen.

Najib Daho vs Pat Cowdell II

R1.10-9 ND
R2.10-10
R3.10-10
R4.10-9 PC
R5.10-9 PC
R6.10-9 PC
R7.10-9 PC
R8.10-9 PC

Don't know what pt system this was one, but by the 10 pt must I had it 79-75 thru 8. Pat Cowdell TKO 9

Cowdell looked very shaky in the 1st round, and even ringworn thru the first 3 rds, but once he established his jab in the 4th, he quickly looked the superior boxer and it was all down hill for Daho from there. On a side note, Daho's upset victory over Cowdell in there 1st bout was really strange in that the referee didn't even appear to be counting for the knockdowns.

Barry Michael vs Najib Daho II

R1.10-9 ND
R2.10-10
R3.10-9 BM
R4.10-9 BM
R5.10-9 ND
R6.10-9 BM
R7.10-9 BM
R8.10-9 ND
R9.10-9 BM
R10.10-9 BM
R11.10-9 BM
R12.10-9 BM

Barry Michael 117-112

This was actually an entertaining gritty fight with both guys giving a solid effort. Daho had a pretty good jab, but tended to neglect using it for long periods, which just allowed Michael to keep getting inside to hammer him below the waterline. No knockdowns, though Daho looked ready to go in the final 2 rds.

[scartissue]

I thought I would revisit one of the great robberies of the 20th century. I am referring to the first fight between Jose Napoles and Armando Muniz. Here is how I had it.

Round 1: 10-9 Napoles
Round 2: 10-9 Napoles
Round 3: 10-9 Napoles
Round 4: 10-9 Napoles
Round 5: 10-9 Napoles
Round 6: 10-9 Napoles
Round 7: 10-9 Napoles
Round 8: 10-10 Even
Round 9: 10-9 Napoles
Round 10: 10-9 Muniz
Round 11: 10-9 Muniz (Referee Ramon Berumen should have been arrested for allowing Napoles to land punch after punch to Muniz' nads)
Round 12: The fight is stopped by the ringside doctor due to the severity of Napoles' cuts, but the commission gives it to Napoles on a technical decision.

Total through 11 completed rounds: 108-102 with Napoles ahead

This fight was a disgrace. The ref later claimed that because he warned Muniz in rounds 3 and 5 for butting, that that was the reason for the technical decision. I'm unclear on the officials scores. According to boxrec there were scores of 106-106, 107-102 for Muniz and another score for Napoles. So how is it a technical win for Napoles? Regarding the claim of butts, they were infighting. Muniz was cut too. That's what happens when you're inside. And BTW, I only saw Berumen caution Muniz twice in the 4th round. There was no official warning. That was a travesty watching Napoles bang away below the belt in the 11th and seeing Berumen just stand there watching. I once read that Muniz stated that "Berumen was just waiting for me to retaliate so he could DQ me." I must admit that I was always a big Muniz fan and when I saw this bout on a telecast back in '75 that I almost jumped out of my skin when Muniz had Napoles almost out of there at the end of the 10th.

[Seamus]

Veeraphol Sahaprom vs Toshiaki Nishioka IV

R1.10-9 TN
R2.10-9 TN
R3.9-8 VS (one pt taken from Nishioka for a headbutt, then before the 4th rd one pt taken from Sahaprom)
R4.10-9 VS
R5.10-9 TN
R6.10-9 VS
R7.10-10 Even
R8.10-9 VS
R9.10-9 VS
R10.10-9 VS
R11.10-9 VS
R12.10-9 VS

Veeraphol Sahaprom 116-111

Nishioka makes his best start of the series, but can't sustain it over 12.

Pongsaklek Wonjongkam vs Suriyan Kaikanha

R1.10-9 PW
R2.10-9 PW
R3.10-9 PW
R4.10-9 PW
R5.10-9 SK
R6.10-9 SK
R7.10-9 SK
R8.9-9 Even (1 pt taken from Kaikanha)
R9.10-9 PW
R10.10-10 Even
R11.10-10 Even
R12.10-10 Even

Pongsaklek Wonjongkam 116-114

Interesting fight with Wonjongkam getting off to a good start only to have Kaikanha work his back into it. I called the last 3 rds even because both men pretty much went toe to toe for 9 minutes without either gaining an advantage.

[Counter-puncher]

So two top 20 flyweights in action, Betulio Gonzalez - Masao Ohba

Even
Ohba
Gonzalez
Ohba
Ohba
Ohba
Gonzalez
Gonzalez
Gonzalez
Ohba
Gonzalez
Gonzalez
Ohba
Gonzalez
Gonzalez

69-67 in favour of Gonzalez.

I haven't seen Ohba before but I don't see a top 10 flyweight here, very basic straight punching style, yes he's got a good jab but Gonzalez takes it away for long periods with his good head movement and counter right hands, in fact Gonzalez out-jabs him quite frequently. Ohba seems like he wouldn't know a hook or uppercut or body shot if you hit him with one, in fact neither guy does much body punching here.

I've seen the fight discussed on another forum and most posters on there seemed to side with Ohba, so my score may be a little out of line but I felt more confident scoring the rounds than I often do in close fights.

[Seamus]

Here's how I had it

Masao Oba vs Betulio Gonzalez

R1.5-4 MO
R2.5-4 MO
R3.5-4 BG
R4.5-5 Even
R5.5-4 MO
R6.5-4 BG
R7.5-4 MO
R8.5-4 MO
R9.5-4 MO
R10.5-4 MO
R11.5-4 BG
R12.5-4 BG
R13.5-4 BG
R14.5-4 MO
R15.5-4 MO

Masao Oba 70-66

[Counter-puncher]

Ohhh you scored the last two to Ohba? I thought Betulio had those clear

[davie]

Jofre v Harada 1

1. 9 - 10 Harada
2. 9 - 10 Harada
3. 10 - 10 Even
4. 9 - 10 Harada
5. 10 - 9 Jofre
6. 10 - 9 Jofre
7. 9 - 10 Harada
8. 10 - 9 Jofre
9. 10 - 10 Even
10. 9 - 10 Harada
11.10 - 9 Jofre
12. 9 - 10 Harada
13. 10 - 10 Even
14. 10 - 9 Jofre
15. 9 - 10 Harada

143 - 145 Harada

I tried to score this last year but gave up and just enjoyed it. The picture quality wasn't great making it hard to see how much success Harada was having with his flurries and woodpecker like jab. But I really tried to pay attention this time and even re-watched a couple of rounds to be sure

A good closely contested bout which had the feel of a Pacquiao vs Marquez bout (minus perhaps the punching power)
Many rounds were pick-ems based on whether you liked Harada's relentless output of Jofre's solid boxing. Although, I got the feeling I was giving more of those rounds to Jofre. There were a few I scored to him where Harada put a hell of a lot into it while there were a few rounds where Harada worked the arse of Jofre, who gave very little back in return.

As such I feel I could have given that a couple rounds wider to Harada but couldn't really make the case for a Jofre win or a draw. Which makes the split decision a tad dubious to me.

[davie]

Jofre v Harada II

1. 10 - 9 Jofre
2. 10 - 9 Jofre
3. 9 - 10 Harada
4. 10 - 9 Jofre
5. 9 - 10 Harada
6. 9 - 10 Harada
7. 9 - 10 Harada
8. 10 - 10 Even
9. 9 - 10 Harada
10. 10 - 9 Jofre
11.10 - 9 Jofre
12. 10 - 9 Jofre
13. 9 - 10 Harada
14. 9 - 10 Harada
15. 9 - 10 Harada

142 - 144 Harada

I'd said in the first fight that I could have perhaps given it wider to Harada. However in this fight, with the improved picture quality, I was able to see how many punches Harada wasted, falling short with jabs and missing and having punches blocked. I'll stand by that original card as I would have just been scoring points because I saw Harada's hands moving.

When Jofre matched Harada, he was the better boxer. He made Harada miss more and landed more accurate and more solid punches.
But trying to match Harada truly is a monumental feat, I've seldom seen an engine like it.
Going into the 14th round, I had it level, with Jofre winning 3 of the last 4. Jofre out-boxed Harada in the first half of the round, then Harada put the pedal down and bombarded him with flurry after flurry after flurry and continued it right through into the 15th. There may not have been a huge amount behind those punches but by heck, he was letting everything go. To be able to do that in the 14th and 15th round of a tiring fight is remarkable.
And thew funny thing is I think the little bugger could have done it right up to the 20th

I'd have been interested to see them fight one of them in Brazil or even do a third fight over there, see how it would have panned out, because I'm willing to bet a man who gives that amount in a fight draws a great deal from the crowd ooing and ahhing with every punch thrown.

[Seamus]

They were on the 5 pt must system. I thought Harada very clearly won both, he was just way too busy for Jofre, who was having trouble making the weight limit.

[davie]

They were on the 5 pt must system. I thought Harada very clearly won both, he was just way too busy for Jofre, who was having trouble making the weight limit.

I always just use the system I'm used to and score fights on the modern 10 point must system.

I need to educate my self on the old methods of scoring so I can score the old fights more accurately.

To be fair though, with no knockdowns, I suspect any form of scoring would still have seen my scorecards close, in either fight. I felt Jofre was landing far cleaner when he was working in rounds, but like you I thought Haradas work rate was incredible and the majority of rounds went to him on volume of leather thrown

After I'd scored them I looked back at your cards. No complaints with them, I could have see how someone would score them differently given the effort Harada put in. But I found it interesting you scored it considerably wider than Japanese judges in Japan. The widest card in either bout was 3 points to Harada : Hiroyuki Tezaki 71-68

[davie]

Carlos Zarate vs Lupe Pintor

1. 10 - 10 Even
2. 10 - 10 Even
3. 10 - 9 Zarate
4. 10 - 8 Zarate
5. 10 - 9 Zarate
6. 9 - 10 Pintor
7. 10 - 9 Zarate
8. 10 - 9 Zarate
9. 10 - 9 Zarate
10. 9 - 10 Pintor
11. 9 - 10 Pintor
12. 10 - 9 Zarate
13. 10 - 9 Zarate
14. 9 - 10 Pintor
15. 9 - 10 Pintor

145 - 141 Zarate

What in the blue fvck was this fella watching???
Bob Martin 145-133

Two hard hitting Mexicans. The world would have been expecting a war and as is so often the case, both came in with far too much respect and the fight really struggled to get going in the early stages.
Throughout they never really got into full gear and showed respect but the fight did get started by the 4th.

Zarate looked the better fighter and for me he felt like the winner at the end of the 15. He boxed well to restrict Pintor to few opportunities
Pintor had success when he could close the range but Zarate looked comfortable when things heated up as well. You get the feeling this could have been an absolute barn stormer if Pintor could have closed the distance a little more often

[scartissue]

So two top 20 flyweights in action, Betulio Gonzalez - Masao Ohba

Even
Ohba
Gonzalez
Ohba
Ohba
Ohba
Gonzalez
Gonzalez
Gonzalez
Ohba
Gonzalez
Gonzalez
Ohba
Gonzalez
Gonzalez

69-67 in favour of Gonzalez.

I haven't seen Ohba before but I don't see a top 10 flyweight here, very basic straight punching style, yes he's got a good jab but Gonzalez takes it away for long periods with his good head movement and counter right hands, in fact Gonzalez out-jabs him quite frequently. Ohba seems like he wouldn't know a hook or uppercut or body shot if you hit him with one, in fact neither guy does much body punching here.

I've seen the fight discussed on another forum and most posters on there seemed to side with Ohba, so my score may be a little out of line but I felt more confident scoring the rounds than I often do in close fights.

Counter, you and I had very similar cards - albeit, a different winner. But it was right on the cusp. Here's my card.

Round 1: 5-4 Ohba
Round 2: 5-4 Ohba
Round 3: 5-4 Gonzalez
Round 4: 5-4 Ohba
Round 5: 5-4 Ohba
Round 6: 5-4 Ohba
Round 7: 5-4 Gonzalez
Round 8: 5-4 Gonzalez
Round 9: 5-5 Even
Round 10: 5-4 Ohba
Round 11: 5-4 Gonzalez
Round 12: 5-4 Gonzalez
Round 13: 5-4 Ohba
Round 14: 5-5 Even
Round 15: 5-4 Gonzalez

Total: 69-68 Ohba

I was so impressed with Gonzalez. So sharp and so economical with his shots. I can see why he had something like 45 KOs to his credit. He didn't really solve the height and reach issue that Ohba presented until the 7th. After that he was playing catch-up and came up just shy in the scoring. I laughed when you mentioned the lack of bodywork, because I noticed that too. They were head-hunting from start to finish. A really good fight and Gonzalez looked like he could have easily done another 5 rounds while Ohba was dragging that last round.

[scartissue]

Here's one more that you just need to watch for the fun of it. The 1977 featherweight title fight between Danny Lopez and Jose Torres. What a great fight. An abbreviated ending, but the scoring would have been out there. Check it out - 10 point must.

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-8 Torres (scores a knockdown)
Round 3: 10-8 Lopez (scores a knockdown)
Round 4: 10-7 Lopez (scores 2 knockdowns)
Round 5: 10-10 Even
Round 6: 10-9 Lopez (should have been 10-8 but ref disallowed an obvious knockdown at the end of the round)
Round 7: 10-9 Lopez (bell rang prematurely and the ref had to call them both back in for the last :45 seconds)
Bout stopped between rounds on corner retirement - Lopez the winner

Total through 7 completed rounds: 68-63 Lopez

You may wish to dispense with pen in hand and just enjoy this fight.

[davie]

Decided to score the Carlos Ortiz vs Ismael Laguna trilogy.

Ortiz vs Laguna 1 - I gave up trying to score as the picture quality was poor. I think the result was right but my scorecards would have been closer than Jersey Joes: Jersey Joe Walcott 132-143. Another bonkers scorecard, was no-one telling refs and judges how the 10 point must system worked back then

Ortiz vs Laguna 2 - Really scuppered my evenings plans when I couldn't find the bloody thing

Ortiz vs Laguna 3 - Now we're talking, good quality footage and we're off.........
Where's fvcking rounds 3 & 4?
Anyway, I've got it an Ortiz shutout up to 10, I'll report back if Laguna scores a round

****Edit - Nope, almost gave him a share of the 14th....then didn't.

Well so much for scoring the Carlos Ortiz vs Ismael Laguna trilogy. That was a bit of a waste of time

[Counter-puncher]

So two top 20 flyweights in action, Betulio Gonzalez - Masao Ohba

Even
Ohba
Gonzalez
Ohba
Ohba
Ohba
Gonzalez
Gonzalez
Gonzalez
Ohba
Gonzalez
Gonzalez
Ohba
Gonzalez
Gonzalez

69-67 in favour of Gonzalez.

I haven't seen Ohba before but I don't see a top 10 flyweight here, very basic straight punching style, yes he's got a good jab but Gonzalez takes it away for long periods with his good head movement and counter right hands, in fact Gonzalez out-jabs him quite frequently. Ohba seems like he wouldn't know a hook or uppercut or body shot if you hit him with one, in fact neither guy does much body punching here.

I've seen the fight discussed on another forum and most posters on there seemed to side with Ohba, so my score may be a little out of line but I felt more confident scoring the rounds than I often do in close fights.

Counter, you and I had very similar cards - albeit, a different winner. But it was right on the cusp. Here's my card.

Round 1: 5-4 Ohba
Round 2: 5-4 Ohba
Round 3: 5-4 Gonzalez
Round 4: 5-4 Ohba
Round 5: 5-4 Ohba
Round 6: 5-4 Ohba
Round 7: 5-4 Gonzalez
Round 8: 5-4 Gonzalez
Round 9: 5-5 Even
Round 10: 5-4 Ohba
Round 11: 5-4 Gonzalez
Round 12: 5-4 Gonzalez
Round 13: 5-4 Ohba
Round 14: 5-5 Even
Round 15: 5-4 Gonzalez

Total: 69-68 Ohba

I was so impressed with Gonzalez. So sharp and so economical with his shots. I can see why he had something like 45 KOs to his credit. He didn't really solve the height and reach issue that Ohba presented until the 7th. After that he was playing catch-up and came up just shy in the scoring. I laughed when you mentioned the lack of bodywork, because I noticed that too. They were head-hunting from start to finish. A really good fight and Gonzalez looked like he could have easily done another 5 rounds while Ohba was dragging that last round.

Well I'm glad my card was close enough to another rational adults view, I do have my doubts sometimes

Couple of things I noticed, Gonzalez showed much more technical skill than in the later fights I have seen of his, where he seems a very straight-up slightly stiff pressure guy, his head and body movement is much better here and he counterpunches and sets traps really well.

Like I say though for a supposed top 10 flyweight I was unimpressed by Ohba. Other than his activity and long straight punching I don't see much to recommend him, he seems very basic (if awkward with it)

[Seamus]

Watch his fight with Chionoi where he makes it out of a nearly disasterous 1st rd to dominate and then stop the Thai fighter.

[Counter-puncher]

Watch his fight with Chionoi where he makes it out of a nearly disasterous 1st rd to dominate and then stop the Thai fighter.

Yeah I've half/watched that fight, actually Chionoi doesn't impress me that much either!

[scartissue]

Alan Minter vs Vito Antuofermo I

R1. 10-9 AM
R2. 10-9 VA
R3. 10-9 AM
R4. 10-9 VA
R5. 10-9 VA
R6. 10-9 VA
R7. 10-9 VA
R8. 10-9 AM
R9. 10-9 AM
R10. 10-10 Even
R11. 10-9 VA
R12. 10-9 AM
R13. 10-10 Even
R14. 10-8 VA due to knockdown
R15. 10-9 AM

Vito Antuofermo 144-142

This like most Antuofermo fights was hard to score. Vito can get hit with 3 clean blows and then tag his opponent with one, drive him into the ropes pin him there, and then do quite alot of rough housing. I thought he beat Minter after recently watching the bout again, but this one I wouldn't dispute too much if someone insisted that Minter just did edge it. A wide decision either way however would be ridiculous.

Seamus, I scored this one today and saw you had already scored it some time ago. Here is how I saw it.

Round 1: 10-9 Minter
Round 2: 10-9 Minter
Round 3: 10-9 Minter
Round 4: 10-9 Minter
Round 5: 10-9 Vito
Round 6: 10-9 Vito
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 Vito
Round 9: 10-9 Minter
Round 10: 10-9 Vito
Round 11: 10-9 Vito
Round 12: 10-9 Vito
Round 13: 10-10 Even
Round 14: 10-8 Vito (disagreed with the knockdown but the ref counted it)
Round 15: 10-9 Vito

Total: 145-141 Antuofermo

Antuofermo's style can be unappetizing at best. A crowding/mugging style that is lacking in finesse, but nonetheless effective. I felt his mugging and explosive punches negated Minter's effective jab. The knockdown was dubious. Minter looked like he may have tangled his legs when that punch/push came in. Hard to say. But I do think Antuofermo got robbed here.

[davie]

Alan Minter vs Vito Antuofermo I

R1. 10-9 AM
R2. 10-9 VA
R3. 10-9 AM
R4. 10-9 VA
R5. 10-9 VA
R6. 10-9 VA
R7. 10-9 VA
R8. 10-9 AM
R9. 10-9 AM
R10. 10-10 Even
R11. 10-9 VA
R12. 10-9 AM
R13. 10-10 Even
R14. 10-8 VA due to knockdown
R15. 10-9 AM

Vito Antuofermo 144-142

This like most Antuofermo fights was hard to score. Vito can get hit with 3 clean blows and then tag his opponent with one, drive him into the ropes pin him there, and then do quite alot of rough housing. I thought he beat Minter after recently watching the bout again, but this one I wouldn't dispute too much if someone insisted that Minter just did edge it. A wide decision either way however would be ridiculous.

Seamus, I scored this one today and saw you had already scored it some time ago. Here is how I saw it.

Round 1: 10-9 Minter
Round 2: 10-9 Minter
Round 3: 10-9 Minter
Round 4: 10-9 Minter
Round 5: 10-9 Vito
Round 6: 10-9 Vito
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 Vito
Round 9: 10-9 Minter
Round 10: 10-9 Vito
Round 11: 10-9 Vito
Round 12: 10-9 Vito
Round 13: 10-10 Even
Round 14: 10-8 Vito (disagreed with the knockdown but the ref counted it)
Round 15: 10-9 Vito

Total: 145-141 Antuofermo

Antuofermo's style can be unappetizing at best. A crowding/mugging style that is lacking in finesse, but nonetheless effective. I felt his mugging and explosive punches negated Minter's effective jab. The knockdown was dubious. Minter looked like he may have tangled his legs when that punch/push came in. Hard to say. But I do think Antuofermo got robbed here.

Here's how I scored it on Horses 52 week challenge., I had a bit more love for Minters boxing

1. 10 - 9 Minter.
2. 9 - 10 Vito.
3. 10 - 9 Minter.
4. 10 - 9 Minter.
5. 10 - 9 Minter,
6. 10 - 9 Minter.
7. 9 - 10 Vito.
8. 10 - 9 Minter.
9. 9 - 10 Vito.
10. 9 - 10 Vito
11. 10 - 9 Minter.
12. 10 - 10 Even.
13. 10 - 9 Minter
14. 8 - 10 Vito.
15. 10 - 9 Minter.

144 - 141 Minter

When I looked at the judges score cards I wondered how Dakin could score it to Minter by 12 rounds and Sanchez to Antuofermo by 2. But I think I understand now.
I landed somewhere in the middle but this was a fight where Jim Watt would not have tired telling us "it's a bit of what you like"
There were a few I scored to Vito where he was having success but he was crude and Minter looked fairly well in control with his boxing.
Equally there were a few where I scored to Minter for cleaner work, particularly straight head shot (which I ussually give more credit to) while Vito was the aggressor and landing some solid, albeit messy shots and getting some good work in downstairs.

[Counter-puncher]

Here's a really good fight i never saw anyone discuss, Mark Too Sharp Johnson vs Alberto Jimenez

Jimenez
Johnson
Johnson
Johnson
Jimenez
Johnson
Even
Johnson
Jimenez
Johnson
Jimenez
Jimenez

115-114 to Johnson.
Interestingly with a judge scoring 115/114 either way two of the judges must have had an even round too, other than the one I scored even another one or two were close enough.

Damn good fight between two skilled guys which the scoring may well boil down to, do you prefer the fast handed slashing combinations of Johnson or the thumping short-armed shots of Jimenez. Also several rounds repeated a pattern of Johnson doing all the work and moving a lot early, where Jimenez struggles to close the space, but Jimenez trapping him and letting his hands go to good effect in the last 30-60 seconds. Cracking little fight.

[scartissue]

Alan Minter vs Vito Antuofermo I

R1. 10-9 AM
R2. 10-9 VA
R3. 10-9 AM
R4. 10-9 VA
R5. 10-9 VA
R6. 10-9 VA
R7. 10-9 VA
R8. 10-9 AM
R9. 10-9 AM
R10. 10-10 Even
R11. 10-9 VA
R12. 10-9 AM
R13. 10-10 Even
R14. 10-8 VA due to knockdown
R15. 10-9 AM

Vito Antuofermo 144-142

This like most Antuofermo fights was hard to score. Vito can get hit with 3 clean blows and then tag his opponent with one, drive him into the ropes pin him there, and then do quite alot of rough housing. I thought he beat Minter after recently watching the bout again, but this one I wouldn't dispute too much if someone insisted that Minter just did edge it. A wide decision either way however would be ridiculous.

Seamus, I scored this one today and saw you had already scored it some time ago. Here is how I saw it.

Round 1: 10-9 Minter
Round 2: 10-9 Minter
Round 3: 10-9 Minter
Round 4: 10-9 Minter
Round 5: 10-9 Vito
Round 6: 10-9 Vito
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 Vito
Round 9: 10-9 Minter
Round 10: 10-9 Vito
Round 11: 10-9 Vito
Round 12: 10-9 Vito
Round 13: 10-10 Even
Round 14: 10-8 Vito (disagreed with the knockdown but the ref counted it)
Round 15: 10-9 Vito

Total: 145-141 Antuofermo

Antuofermo's style can be unappetizing at best. A crowding/mugging style that is lacking in finesse, but nonetheless effective. I felt his mugging and explosive punches negated Minter's effective jab. The knockdown was dubious. Minter looked like he may have tangled his legs when that punch/push came in. Hard to say. But I do think Antuofermo got robbed here.

Here's how I scored it on Horses 52 week challenge., I had a bit more love for Minters boxing

1. 10 - 9 Minter.
2. 9 - 10 Vito.
3. 10 - 9 Minter.
4. 10 - 9 Minter.
5. 10 - 9 Minter,
6. 10 - 9 Minter.
7. 9 - 10 Vito.
8. 10 - 9 Minter.
9. 9 - 10 Vito.
10. 9 - 10 Vito
11. 10 - 9 Minter.
12. 10 - 10 Even.
13. 10 - 9 Minter
14. 8 - 10 Vito.
15. 10 - 9 Minter.

144 - 141 Minter

When I looked at the judges score cards I wondered how Dakin could score it to Minter by 12 rounds and Sanchez to Antuofermo by 2. But I think I understand now.
I landed somewhere in the middle but this was a fight where Jim Watt would not have tired telling us "it's a bit of what you like"
There were a few I scored to Vito where he was having success but he was crude and Minter looked fairly well in control with his boxing.
Equally there were a few where I scored to Minter for cleaner work, particularly straight head shot (which I ussually give more credit to) while Vito was the aggressor and landing some solid, albeit messy shots and getting some good work in downstairs.

Davie, I could count on one hand the amount of rounds that you, Seamus and I agreed on. It was obviously that kind of a fight.

[Seamus]

Ray Mancini vs Jose Luis Ramirez

If you want to see a fight where Ray Mancini looks like a legitimate Hall of Famer, this is it. He practically dominates an excellent Jose Luis Ramirez from start to finish. Ramirez at times is effective with his jab, but he never uses it to set up his left hand, meanwhile Mancini just keeps the right crosses, left hooks, and straight rights coming, while digging hard to the body with both hands. About all you could say for Ramirez in this one was that he took a beating well. I called the final round even and gave Mancini the rest.

Ray Mancini 120-109

[davie]

Davie, I could count on one hand the amount of rounds that you, Seamus and I agreed on. It was obviously that kind of a fight.

Just because I'm a pedant, I checked. Rounds 1, 3, 7 & 14.
It was indeed that kind of fight

[davie]

My light flyweight viewing continues

Jung-Koo Chang vs Hilario Zapata 1

1. 10 - 9 Chang
2. 10 - 9 Chang
3. 10 - 9 Chang

5. 10 - 9 Chang
6. 9 - 10 Zapata
7. 9 - 10 Zapata
8. 10 - 9 Chang
9. 10 - 10 Even
10. 9 - 10 Zapata
11. 10 - 9 Chang
12. 9 - 10 Zapata
13. 9 - 10 Zapata
14. 9 - 10 Zapata
15. 9 - 10 Zapata

133-134 Zapata on the rounds scored

I watched the second fight between these guys recently, which ended in a 3rd round stoppage for Chang. It was fairly comfortable and I wondered what could have gone wrong in the first fight that he lost a SD.
Easy answer....he never knocked him out in the 3rd.
Chang started well again here, unorthodox and awkward, making raiding attacks. But just perhaps not as acurate as the other fight
As the fight wore on perhaps Changs legs tired and he was not as successful closing Zapata down, he became clumsy moving into punching range, getting caught more on the way in and Zapata was able to have more success with his jab at longer distance too.

I'd love to see that 4th round as that could have been a decider, given Chang was having the better of it early

[Seamus]

I didn't keep my scorecard because of the missing round but I remembered having Chang way ahead in the 1st bout. Thought it was a robbery. Zapata's a very good defensive fighter but occasionally doesn't throw enough back.