What is Hearn's cause of action if he sues the Board? From where I'm sitting, there's none whatsoever. Just because Benn didn't fail a UKAD test does not mean the Board had no grounds to pull the fight. The only area that is grey is whether the Board knew about the failure two weeks ago - some posters here seem to be taking the words of EH and KS on that as gospel, whereas that needs to be proven if it is relevant in any legal action. Even if that is proven, Hearn would still need to show a cause of action - possibly negligence for not acting more quickly to cancel? It all seems pretty weak stuff.jimmystone wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 11:28Really?
Hearn's pockets are way deeper than the Board's. Know anybody who would do Pro Bono on this, Loynsey? Maybe they already have people? The Board don't have the money to fight anything if they have to pay cash monies.
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Re: Chris Eubank Jr. vs. Conor Benn | DAZN PPV - 8 October 2022
If the BBBofC don't recognize VADA, is there anything in the board's rules that allows them to call the fight off?
Re: Chris Eubank Jr. vs. Conor Benn | DAZN PPV - 8 October 2022
just voicing my opinion, don’t care if you don’t agree with itBoxerbeetle wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 12:40You definitely either work for DAZN or are just trolling usdaz74 wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 12:33He should of pulled the show ? ….he did pull the showhandsofstone wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 12:26 I've always said Hearn gets a lot of unwarranted stick and I still think that, he definitely has his haters who love to blame him for things that aren't his fault or criticise good match ups but let's be honest he's ruined himself here, from here or in his integrity's finished, he should've pulled the show, publicly stood by Benn until confirmation, B samples or whatever then see what's what but he chose to cover it up and risk the life of Chris Eubank Jr even more than it already was
Risk the life of CEJ ? ….. the fighter choose to step through the ring ropes …![]()
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Re: Chris Eubank Jr. vs. Conor Benn | DAZN PPV - 8 October 2022
CaptainSpacerod wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 12:31 Disgraceful fudging from Matt Christie on the boxing news podcast “we need an investigation to find out how this substance came to be in Conor Benin’s system”.
Let’s examine the options, Matt:
(1) Benn took it
So, yeah. Best investigate. The whole thing is mired in uncertainty otherwise
Re: Chris Eubank Jr. vs. Conor Benn | DAZN PPV - 8 October 2022
100% yes. And to suspend Benn, contrary to what EH and some posters here are saying. See my post from the other thread, as follows:
olij999 wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 12:43olij999 wrote: ↑05 Oct 2022, 11:15OK, no takers for this question so far. The EH interview above talks as if Conor Benn is a BBBofC licence holder. Wonder if he has been removed from the website so he does not appear as either suspended or not suspended (in case either position creates a problem for the BBBofC). All a bit curious.olij999 wrote: ↑05 Oct 2022, 10:23 One question. Which boxing authority licenses Connor Benn? Reason for asking is that the Board website does not list him (https://bbbofc.com/boxers?page=1&likeNa ... habet=AtoZ) whereas it does list Eubank (https://bbbofc.com/boxers?page=1&likeNa ... habet=AtoZ). Even if you are a suspended BBBofC licence holder, you'd be listed, so it's not that.
Reason for looking into it is because the "not in the interests of boxing" ruling seemed odd - if a British licence-holder had tested positive, they could have suspended him until the B sample was tested and could have said that the fight could not take place as one of the two boxers was under suspension. So has the organisation that licences him not yet suspended him?
And as for EH saying that they cannot suspend him because the BBBofC does not recognise VADA, they potentially can, by either of two other routes:
- Reg 25.1.1(c) says that misconduct includes "any failure to honour any contractual obligation". If the need to pass VADA testing has been built into the contract, then failing the test would appear to breach that contractual obligation, so misconduct. However, have the BBBofC seen the contract?
- Under Reg 25.1.1, misconduct means "conduct detrimental to the interests of boxing or the public interest". As the Board have already said it is not in the public interest for the contest to go ahead, that would appear to indicate that Benn has done something that fits within this definition.
So they have routes to suspend if they are minded to do so.
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Re: Chris Eubank Jr. vs. Conor Benn | DAZN PPV - 8 October 2022
As fight week approached. I was looking forward to this..
I m gutted that it's not happening..
I'll be more pumped next time now.. Can't wait for CEJ to smash Benn.
I m gutted that it's not happening..
I'll be more pumped next time now.. Can't wait for CEJ to smash Benn.
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Re: Chris Eubank Jr. vs. Conor Benn | DAZN PPV - 8 October 2022
Haha using UKAD as some moral compass, they're not fit for purpose, check Fury and Whyte ffs, VADA on the other hand are the best testers in all of sport which is why Benn fucked up, the thing he pissed hot for increases testosterone, do you not think maybe UKAD maybe need to update their list?daz74 wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 12:40yeah he’s so juiced up he passed UKAD and he’s not suspendedhandsofstone wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 12:37Aw fair play for Hearn to wait 2 weeks until he's exposed , do all he can to save the show including legal action before pulling it, boxers want to fight and sometimes need saving from themselves, Eddie and Kalle tried to make a fight with one guy juiced to the gills, they're a disgrace
Re: Chris Eubank Jr. vs. Conor Benn | DAZN PPV - 8 October 2022
yeah i’m gutted too, agree it will get rescheduled, and a million will tune in to watch itRuthless-RKO wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 12:49 As fight week approached. I was looking forward to this..
I m gutted that it's not happening..
I'll be more pumped next time now.. Can't wait for CEJ to smash Benn.
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Warrhen will be eggstatic the bout's been susphended.
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Re: Chris Eubank Jr. vs. Conor Benn | DAZN PPV - 8 October 2022
I don't understand why BBBofC cannot suspend boxers who fail drugs tests under VADA..handsofstone wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 12:50Haha using UKAD as some moral compass, they're not fit for purpose, check Fury and Whyte ffs, VADA on the other hand are the best testers in all of sport which is why Benn fucked up, the thing he pissed hot for increases testosterone, do you not think maybe UKAD maybe need to update their list?daz74 wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 12:40yeah he’s so juiced up he passed UKAD and he’s not suspendedhandsofstone wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 12:37
Aw fair play for Hearn to wait 2 weeks until he's exposed , do all he can to save the show including legal action before pulling it, boxers want to fight and sometimes need saving from themselves, Eddie and Kalle tried to make a fight with one guy juiced to the gills, they're a disgrace
Re: Chris Eubank Jr. vs. Conor Benn | DAZN PPV - 8 October 2022
the board use UKAD, and so direct your irritation towards the boardhandsofstone wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 12:50Haha using UKAD as some moral compass, they're not fit for purpose, check Fury and Whyte ffs, VADA on the other hand are the best testers in all of sport which is why Benn fucked up, the thing he pissed hot for increases testosterone, do you not think maybe UKAD maybe need to update their list?daz74 wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 12:40yeah he’s so juiced up he passed UKAD and he’s not suspendedhandsofstone wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 12:37
Aw fair play for Hearn to wait 2 weeks until he's exposed , do all he can to save the show including legal action before pulling it, boxers want to fight and sometimes need saving from themselves, Eddie and Kalle tried to make a fight with one guy juiced to the gills, they're a disgrace
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Re: Chris Eubank Jr. vs. Conor Benn | DAZN PPV - 8 October 2022
UKAD didn't involve VADA though didn't they,who was that again? i said yesterday that technically Hearn and Benn were correct in regards to Benn being allowed to fight, morally it was wrong though and unlike a lot of people I expected better from Eddie Hearn, drug cheats need banned for life and could maybe partake in fighting other cheats, I'd watch tbh but keep them away from honest athletesdaz74 wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 12:56the board use UKAD, and so direct your irritation towards the boardhandsofstone wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 12:50Haha using UKAD as some moral compass, they're not fit for purpose, check Fury and Whyte ffs, VADA on the other hand are the best testers in all of sport which is why Benn fucked up, the thing he pissed hot for increases testosterone, do you not think maybe UKAD maybe need to update their list?
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Re: Chris Eubank Jr. vs. Conor Benn | DAZN PPV - 8 October 2022
daz74 wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 12:40yeah he’s so juiced up he passed UKAD and he’s not suspendedhandsofstone wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 12:37Aw fair play for Hearn to wait 2 weeks until he's exposed , do all he can to save the show including legal action before pulling it, boxers want to fight and sometimes need saving from themselves, Eddie and Kalle tried to make a fight with one guy juiced to the gills, they're a disgrace
Camp Eddie has a bridge for sale, if you’re interested
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Re: Chris Eubank Jr. vs. Conor Benn | DAZN PPV - 8 October 2022
It’s on the UKAD list too. They just didn’t have a positive test for it because it sounds like it was out of his system when they did test him.handsofstone wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 12:50Haha using UKAD as some moral compass, they're not fit for purpose, check Fury and Whyte ffs, VADA on the other hand are the best testers in all of sport which is why Benn fucked up, the thing he pissed hot for increases testosterone, do you not think maybe UKAD maybe need to update their list?daz74 wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 12:40yeah he’s so juiced up he passed UKAD and he’s not suspendedhandsofstone wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 12:37
Aw fair play for Hearn to wait 2 weeks until he's exposed , do all he can to save the show including legal action before pulling it, boxers want to fight and sometimes need saving from themselves, Eddie and Kalle tried to make a fight with one guy juiced to the gills, they're a disgrace
From what I’ve read about it it’s not been used to give him abnormal testosterone levels. It’s probably been used to give him a normal level due to a likely depletion in testosterone following a cycle of goodies.
Re: Chris Eubank Jr. vs. Conor Benn | DAZN PPV - 8 October 2022
Morality is subjectivehandsofstone wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 13:00UKAD didn't involve VADA though didn't they,who was that again? i said yesterday that technically Hearn and Benn were correct in regards to Benn being allowed to fight, morally it was wrong though and unlike a lot of people I expected better from Eddie Hearn, drug cheats need banned for life and could maybe partake in fighting other cheats, I'd watch tbh but keep them away from honest athletesdaz74 wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 12:56the board use UKAD, and so direct your irritation towards the boardhandsofstone wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 12:50
Haha using UKAD as some moral compass, they're not fit for purpose, check Fury and Whyte ffs, VADA on the other hand are the best testers in all of sport which is why Benn fucked up, the thing he pissed hot for increases testosterone, do you not think maybe UKAD maybe need to update their list?
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Re: Chris Eubank Jr. vs. Conor Benn | DAZN PPV - 8 October 2022
Frank.JamesPhilips wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 11:44Thanks. Who was BJS signed with then? FW?maverick23 wrote: ↑05 Oct 2022, 16:10Billy Joe vs Andrade. The contract was VADA testing which is what the state in the US used. The WBO stripped Billy Joe because the fight couldn’t take place there. Interestingly Billy Joe wasn’t banned by the BBBC because they didn’t find a positive test and the substance isn’t on their banned list (which is in-line with WADA).
Slightly different scenario because I’d imagine that if that fight was due to take place in the U.K. it would have happened.
He wasn’t banned by the BBBC and fought, in the U.K., 2 months later. There is a subtle difference though in that the stuff Billy Joe popped hot for isn’t banned by UKAD/WADA but it is banned, as Eddie says, by the gold standard VADA.
The stuff Benn had in him is banned by everyone!
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Re: Chris Eubank Jr. vs. Conor Benn | DAZN PPV - 8 October 2022
Counter-puncher wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 12:43CaptainSpacerod wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 12:31 Disgraceful fudging from Matt Christie on the boxing news podcast “we need an investigation to find out how this substance came to be in Conor Benin’s system”.![]()
Let’s examine the options, Matt:
(1) Benn took it
So, yeah. Best investigate. The whole thing is mired in uncertainty otherwise![]()
Yeah let’s get the finest investigative brains in the industry on the case., we’ll get to the bottom of this no matter how long it takes
The annoying thing was thought that talking in general terms about doping earlier in the podcast Matt made the point that the B sample very rarely, if not never. produces a negative result once the A sample tests positive.
Hiding behind the innocent til proven guilty B sample argument is disingenuous. The B sample test is akin to a convicted felon appealing a conviction for a crime for which he’s already been found guilty
Re: Chris Eubank Jr. vs. Conor Benn | DAZN PPV - 8 October 2022
Should be a 2 year ban imo.
But he'll probably get 6 months and the fight will be rescheduled for April
But he'll probably get 6 months and the fight will be rescheduled for April
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Re: Chris Eubank Jr. vs. Conor Benn | DAZN PPV - 8 October 2022
As the dust starts to settle, I wonder if it will dawn on Eddie how badly he's played this. He is not stupid. This has transcended boxing and he's not going to come out of it looking good. To me, he's forfeit any moral high ground for the rest of his career when it comes to drugs in boxing. I think he'll regret how he's played this one out and his dazn paymasters can't be happy at his very public handling of it all. He's more or less the face of dazn even though he's not part of the organisation. It does not look good.
Re: Chris Eubank Jr. vs. Conor Benn | DAZN PPV - 8 October 2022
you think any other promoter would’ve handled it differently ?JimJim2009 wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 13:18 As the dust starts to settle, I wonder if it will dawn on Eddie how badly he's played this. He is not stupid. This has transcended boxing and he's not going to come out of it looking good. To me, he's forfeit any moral high ground for the rest of his career when it comes to drugs in boxing. I think he'll regret how he's played this one out and his dazn paymasters can't be happy at his very public handling of it all. He's more or less the face of dazn even though he's not part of the organisation. It does not look good.
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Re: Chris Eubank Jr. vs. Conor Benn | DAZN PPV - 8 October 2022
He def works for dazn.Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 12:40You definitely either work for DAZN or are just trolling usdaz74 wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 12:33He should of pulled the show ? ….he did pull the showhandsofstone wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 12:26 I've always said Hearn gets a lot of unwarranted stick and I still think that, he definitely has his haters who love to blame him for things that aren't his fault or criticise good match ups but let's be honest he's ruined himself here, from here or in his integrity's finished, he should've pulled the show, publicly stood by Benn until confirmation, B samples or whatever then see what's what but he chose to cover it up and risk the life of Chris Eubank Jr even more than it already was
Risk the life of CEJ ? ….. the fighter choose to step through the ring ropes …![]()
Re: Chris Eubank Jr. vs. Conor Benn | DAZN PPV - 8 October 2022
Doesn't matter. If they handled it the same way they'd be equally in the wrongdaz74 wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 13:23you think any other promoter would’ve handled it differently ?JimJim2009 wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 13:18 As the dust starts to settle, I wonder if it will dawn on Eddie how badly he's played this. He is not stupid. This has transcended boxing and he's not going to come out of it looking good. To me, he's forfeit any moral high ground for the rest of his career when it comes to drugs in boxing. I think he'll regret how he's played this one out and his dazn paymasters can't be happy at his very public handling of it all. He's more or less the face of dazn even though he's not part of the organisation. It does not look good.
Re: Chris Eubank Jr. vs. Conor Benn | DAZN PPV - 8 October 2022
Are you trying to be naive or are you just that sheltered anyway?daz74 wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 12:40yeah he’s so juiced up he passed UKAD and he’s not suspendedhandsofstone wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 12:37Aw fair play for Hearn to wait 2 weeks until he's exposed , do all he can to save the show including legal action before pulling it, boxers want to fight and sometimes need saving from themselves, Eddie and Kalle tried to make a fight with one guy juiced to the gills, they're a disgrace
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Re: Chris Eubank Jr. vs. Conor Benn | DAZN PPV - 8 October 2022
Didn't know thatmaverick23 wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 13:02It’s on the UKAD list too. They just didn’t have a positive test for it because it sounds like it was out of his system when they did test him.handsofstone wrote: ↑06 Oct 2022, 12:50Haha using UKAD as some moral compass, they're not fit for purpose, check Fury and Whyte ffs, VADA on the other hand are the best testers in all of sport which is why Benn fucked up, the thing he pissed hot for increases testosterone, do you not think maybe UKAD maybe need to update their list?
From what I’ve read about it it’s not been used to give him abnormal testosterone levels. It’s probably been used to give him a normal level due to a likely depletion in testosterone following a cycle of goodies.