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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Sep 2008, 15:18
by Randyman
From Fight news.com


Trainer Oscar Suarez passes

Monday, September 15 2008


Popular trainer Oscar Suarez sadly passed away at his home in New Jersey over the weekend. Suarez, who is best known for training Acelino 'Popo' Freitas, Prince Naseem Hamed, Omar Shieka, Jhonny Gonzalez, Aginaldo Nunes, José Reyes, Freddie Cadena, the Toledo brothers and Archek Turmeliksetian among others, passed away from pancreatic cancer. "Boxing has lost a great trainer, and I have lost a great friend," Freitas told the Brazilian publication Gazeta Esportiva. "We were together for seven years and we won three titles together." A viewing is scheduled for Wednesday from 5-9 p.m. at De Luccia-Lozito Funeral Home in Haledon, NJ (265 Belmont Ave). The funeral is scheduled for Thursday at the same place. Suarez leaves us at the much too young age of 47 and will be missed. Fightnews send our condolences to Oscar's friends and family.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Sep 2008, 16:10
by Rick Farris
Randy . . . Great post! You said it perfect. Oscar, if he is going to continue boxing, should be facing Margarito. And Pac-man should befighting Marquez. I think we all know wgy these matches aren't taking place. DLH and Manny will both lose if matched against their true top challengers. So what does this leave us with . . . everything that comes out of the chicken's ass but the egg. -Rick

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Sep 2008, 16:28
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Posted: 15 Sep 2008, 17:24
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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Sep 2008, 17:26
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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Sep 2008, 17:29
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Ben Wise

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Sep 2008, 17:31
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George Foreman & Archie Moore

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Sep 2008, 17:34
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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Sep 2008, 18:48
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Diego's granddaughter, Amanda

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Amanda prefoming at Kimball Park


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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Sep 2008, 18:54
by kikibalt
Frankie Crawford

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"Frankie"

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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Sep 2008, 20:35
by Rick Farris
kikibalt wrote:Frankie Crawford Image "Frankie" By Diego
The last time I saw Frankie Crawford was about a year before he was shot in Las Vegas. I saw him on Lankershim Blvd. in the Valley and he looked a little confused and dishevled. His hair was kinda sticking out here and there so I ask him what he was doing. ''My wife just gave me a hair cut'', he told me. I ask him, ''What did she cut it with, an egg beater?'' He cocks his head to the side, and sees me laughing, he began to smile and responded, ''F__K YOU!'' -Rick

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Sep 2008, 21:04
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George Foreman

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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Sep 2008, 21:07
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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Sep 2008, 21:11
by kikibalt
Antonio Margarito: Why a Rematch with Paul Williams is a Bad Move
By Mark Buchanan
Ringside Report

Now that Antonio Margarito has disposed of Miguel Cotto, the boxing world is waiting to see what’s next for him.

Rumor has it that he will face fellow Welterweight Champion, Joshua Clottey to try to add another world championship belt to his collection. I, for one, think it’s a wise decision for him because I think he has a great chance of being victorious in that bout, a rematch of a fight that he has already won. He showed patience and a solid chin in the fight with Cotto and turned it up in the late rounds to get the knockout. It was one of his best outings to date.

I’m guessing that his camp knows that it is too soon for him to go gunning for WBO Welterweight Champion, Paul Williams. He might want to defend that title a few times before taking that big step. I personally think he’ll come out on the short end of the stick once again because his inability to deal with the great skills that Williams possesses.

Margarito has a strong will, a great heart, and he can certainly punch and I give him a puncher’s chance, but Williams has shown that his skills are superior to all of his opponents. He came back and avenged his only loss with a dramatic first round stoppage, dropping Carlos Quintana quickly and regaining his welterweight championship.

I don’t see anything changing in the second fight with Margarito and Williams.

I would expect to see Williams to start fast, just as he did in the first fight. If Margarito commits to trying to go to the body early, he will have a better chance in the later rounds if he is successful, but that’s easier said than done.

It’s not easy to successfully get inside of Williams’ reach, but Margarito did it in the 7th and 8th rounds in the first fight and it slowed Williams down significantly. But Williams recovered in the 9th round and hit Margarito with some stinging right uppercuts that were very effective.

He was very calm when he got cut in the 11th round and to me he showed the poise of a true champion. The 12th round was all Williams and he closed the show magnificently. Margarito seems to not be able to change his way of fighting. That’s one reason I would go with Williams in the rematch.

I don’t think Margarito would or could be able to adjust to the way Williams attacks him from the opening bell unless he commits to the body early. He’s a one-dimensional fighter that depends on his ability to apply pressure, his great heart, chin, grit and punching power.

Margarito predicted that the first fight wouldn’t go the distance, but it did and Williams was the victor. Williams said that he was going to come out blazing and he was looking to stop Margarito in 5th round, but as we know, the fight went the distance. If there is a second fight, I think you can throw the predictions for knockouts out of the window. If a knockout happens, then it will be because one of them got careless. Some people don’t believe Margarito can be knocked out, but I know for a fact they’re wrong.

Hitting a fighter with a seemingly indestructible chin is like chopping down a tree. It just depends on what kind of tree cutter you’re using. With every solid contact you make, it takes a hunk out of the tree if you’re using a sharp axe. A fighter can’t keep getting hit continuously with hard shots without some consequences immediately or either in the long run. Some fighters bring chainsaws, not sharp axes to the fight (ex. Tommy Hearns VS. James Shuler. Go watch it on youtube).

The punches that you don’t see are the most lethal ones. A fighter can kind of prepare and adjust when he sees a punch coming, so he won’t take it flush. I’ve seen Margarito take some hard punches in his career. In the Miguel Cotto fight, he was getting out-boxed and came on in the championship rounds to knock Cotto out.

My question for him is: Why does he take unnecessary punches? There’s no way he can beat Paul Williams if he’s taking punches unnecessarily!

Williams throws such a high volume of punches that it would take all that Margarito has to match it. Plus, Margarito doesn’t have the speed that Paul Williams has. There would have to be a breakdown in the fight plan of the Williams camp, or the perfect execution of an all out body attack by Margarito in the first half of the fight for him to have a chance at winning. I just don’t see it happening, but anything is possible in this sport.

Other fighters have been mentioned as an alternative to Williams, such as Shane Mosley, Ricardo Mayorga, and even Oscar De La Hoya. I totally agree with this statement. He definitely needs to recover from this battle with Cotto first before he calls out anybody. By him taking some time off, he will be able to think about what kind of gameplan he needs to implement and how he intends to carry it out if he intends to meet Williams again.

I do think it will be a rematch worth watching. These two guys put on a heck of a show the first time and I would expect no less on the second occasion. But I’m quite confident that the outcome will be the same.

If you have any thoughts on this topic, please let them be known to me and I’ll return your correspondence with my thoughts. Professional boxing is a complex sport and one punch can change everything in a bout. But I don’t think this will be a problem for Paul Williams in this rematch. This is my prediction in the rematch if it comes about soon. Paul Williams by unanimous decision over Antonio Margarito.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Sep 2008, 21:19
by Expug
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Chalky Wright after his career in boxing was over, was Mae Wests chauffer and bodyguard.
He died when he slipped and fell in the bathtub and drowned.
Throughout history have there been any athletes who have died under more strange and ironic circumstances then boxers?

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Sep 2008, 21:58
by Robinson
Pug,
I think its a uniquely boxing thing..though I am sure MMA
will be the same.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Sep 2008, 22:07
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Oscar De La Hoya vs Curtis Strong

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Sep 2008, 22:09
by dagosd2000
OLD CONCRETE AND A DUSTY INFIELD

I went to Kimball Park in National City over the weekend to watch my grand daughter,Amanda,do a Flamenco Show. They were having a health fair at the park. The crowd was sparse. Maybe it was because the Charger game was on TV. Maybe it was bexause the Mexican community(what's left of it in Nat City)didn't get the word or didn't care,The crowd was small. There was the free health screening.It ran the gamut. Blood pressure,cholesterol,HIV,free shots. But the crowd was small. The entertainment was Amanda's dance company. They were great and the people really appreciated the dancing.

What struck me, was off to the side ,where one of the ball fields is,is the site where Shelltown put on their boxing matches. Shelltown? Oh yeah,that's another name for National City. Some say it got its name from the old Shell Gas Station that was just off the freeway in National City.

I looked at the dusty field and the half moon side of concrete bleachers. They'd set up the ring in the infield ,put out some folding chairs,but most of the crowd was in those bleachers. I remember Mike Quarry fighting Amado Vasquez there one night. Amado was the local hero and San Diego boxing fans were out in force to see him fight. The Mexican locals was there too. It was a riotous night full of hope. Archie was there. The Powell brothers. Hafey,Ronnie,and Burke. The Robles' stable was cheering Amado on. But that night Amado didn't have enough. The Quarreys celebrated in the ring with their women folk. Amado was devasted. He felt he let the community down . I talked about this before.

There was the old bleachers and the dusty infield on this hot and muggy Sunday afternoon. No one was there. But there was a Health Fair off to the side. And Amanda and her troupe danced. At what crowd that day to get their free health screenings ,also were entertained by some spirited and dedicated Flamenco dancers.

But I couldn't get my mind off the rowdy boistrous crowd that night Mike Quarry dashed the dreams of Amado Vasquez. All that was left was old concrete and a dusty infield.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Sep 2008, 22:10
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Oscar De La Hoya vs Jimmy Bredahl

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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Sep 2008, 22:14
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Andy Walker

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Sep 2008, 22:22
by Expug
Robinson wrote:Pug,
I think its a uniquely boxing thing..though I am sure MMA
will be the same.
Good point Kym.
I think your right.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Sep 2008, 22:27
by dagosd2000
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I heard Foreman say once that Dick Saddler lowered the heavy bag too much for George's fight with Ali. George said he got used to throwing punches that weren't high enough because the big bag was lowered too far.

Later George said he did everthing possible to beat Ali that night in Africa,but Ali had too much heart. I think that was the real reason he lost.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Sep 2008, 22:38
by dagosd2000
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The younger Oscar I thought was going to be an all time great,but after the Trinidad loss he was never the same. Especially the last two rounds of that fight. Instead of sucking it up and wanting to get back with a vengeance after that loss,he complained that he got robbed of the decision. He thought that he gave Felix a boxing lesson. He felt that he was far enough ahead to dance away in the last two rounds.

He's beaten Vargas and Mayorga and a little Arturo Gotti,but he's fallen flat in the big fights. He could have used his weight on Floyd. Thrown him around. Did what Duran did to Buchanan,but he didn't let it hang out.He looked timid and tired.

Even Oscar says the last two rounds of the Trinidad fight was his most regrettable experience in the ring. Hey Oscar,after Scmeling knocked out Joe Louis,Joe came back like a terror. You just came back as a terrible let down.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Sep 2008, 23:03
by dagosd2000
THE GOURMET

I had this girlfriend once. Now I ain't no prize,but this girl wasn't trophy material either. We'd fight a lot and we drank too much. I think I was really in it for a physical thing. I wonder what she was in it for?

Anyway we were both young and stupid,but we thought we knew everything. Like today's youth. I remember the night it ended. After an evening of over drinking and under performing,we both got hungry. My mother had brought over earlier some home made lasagna and a bowl of sausage and peppers. I was cleaning up when Miss Tequila Breath asked what was to eat in the refrigerator. I told her my mother had cooked us food .

I clean up and walk into the kitchen. There sitting with her legs crossed and holding a spoon with her pinky out was Mrs. Jack Daniels scooping off the top of a yogurt.
"Where in the hell did you get that?" I asked in a big voice.
"Oh",said Annie Green Springs,"I found this in back of the food your mother brought over."

This nit wit had to crawl over and under and behind my mother's home made lasagna and sausage and peppers to get to that yogurt. I looked at her with that pinky out skimming with the spoon the top of that yogurt and I wanted to put her head in a hat box.

After that night I never called her again and she never picked up the phone to dial my number. It was probably because she thought Pizza Hut was gourmet Italian food.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 15 Sep 2008, 23:18
by Expug
You made the right move Rog.
Passing over your Moms Italian food is a deal breaker for sure.
Its a freakin sacrilege.
And on that same topic, did you ever know a girl who you take out to a great seafood , Italian Resteraunt, or steak joint, and all she wants to order is a fu...n salad.
And then shes reaching across the table with her fork to "share" your meal?
I hated that shit.
My Wife is great like that.Good appetite.Shes Irish but cooks great Italian.That combined with the first time I saw her throw a baseball,(she threw like a guy, not a broad,)and I knew she was the one for me.