Round-by-Round: Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 25 September 2021

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Re: Round-by-Round: Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 25 September 2021

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I've not heard much talk about how poor AJs jab was. It was his main punch but there was zero snap to it. Pawed in from low, no power

Usyk loves to parry down opponents jab with his lead hand then come over the top. AJ made it easy for him
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It’ll be interesting to see if Usyk skill-heavy approach will find the holes in Fury’s free-form approach. I don’t think we can discount another boxing lesson being handed out.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 25 September 2021

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danconnollyeire wrote: 27 Sep 2021, 07:07 I've not heard much talk about how poor AJs jab was. It was his main punch but there was zero snap to it. Pawed in from low, no power

Usyk loves to parry down opponents jab with his lead hand then come over the top. AJ made it easy for him
Ok well as an AJ and Usyk fan I shall oblige .
Joshua was crap in the fight from the start until the end , yes he got a few heavy digs in around the mid rounds but ate a lot in return which did him more damage .
No way should he have backed off the way he did , his attributes are about his power / size etc and he seemed unwilling to get stuck in Chisora style .
I started to doubt AJ would come through with the win as soon as I heard all this talk of " doing my job and being back in the gym on Monday etc " Maybe I am wrong but his body language and approach was lacking something .

Can he win the rematch ?
Not with that approach !
He has to manhandle him and make it rough even though he may get stopped himself by doing so .

Poor performance from AJ
Fab performance by USYK - top drawer !
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Re: Round-by-Round: Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 25 September 2021

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stevec@france wrote: 27 Sep 2021, 07:16
danconnollyeire wrote: 27 Sep 2021, 07:07 I've not heard much talk about how poor AJs jab was. It was his main punch but there was zero snap to it. Pawed in from low, no power

Usyk loves to parry down opponents jab with his lead hand then come over the top. AJ made it easy for him
Ok well as an AJ and Usyk fan I shall oblige .
Joshua was crap in the fight from the start until the end , yes he got a few heavy digs in around the mid rounds but ate a lot in return which did him more damage .
No way should he have backed off the way he did , his attributes are about his power / size etc and he seemed unwilling to get stuck in Chisora style .
I started to doubt AJ would come through with the win as soon as I heard all this talk of " doing my job and being back in the gym on Monday etc " Maybe I am wrong but his body language and approach was lacking something .

Can he win the rematch ?
Not with that approach !
He has to manhandle him and make it rough even though he may get stopped himself by doing so .

Poor performance from AJ
Fab performance by USYK - top drawer !
Yep. It was mad the approach. Imagine trying to outbox Usyk. It's like Norwich trying to beat Bayern Munich playing a passing game... never gonna work

And AJs skills aren't up to much really. He kept leaning forward, crouching, almost squatting often leaning forward, off-balanced... despite being the bigger guy

In the rematch he needs to do what Fury did against Wilder. Put some serious weight on and lean the fvck all over him... bully him like a little man... but I don't think he has the confidence in his chin to do that
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Re: Round-by-Round: Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 25 September 2021

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danconnollyeire wrote: 27 Sep 2021, 10:42
stevec@france wrote: 27 Sep 2021, 07:16
danconnollyeire wrote: 27 Sep 2021, 07:07 I've not heard much talk about how poor AJs jab was. It was his main punch but there was zero snap to it. Pawed in from low, no power

Usyk loves to parry down opponents jab with his lead hand then come over the top. AJ made it easy for him
Ok well as an AJ and Usyk fan I shall oblige .
Joshua was crap in the fight from the start until the end , yes he got a few heavy digs in around the mid rounds but ate a lot in return which did him more damage .
No way should he have backed off the way he did , his attributes are about his power / size etc and he seemed unwilling to get stuck in Chisora style .
I started to doubt AJ would come through with the win as soon as I heard all this talk of " doing my job and being back in the gym on Monday etc " Maybe I am wrong but his body language and approach was lacking something .

Can he win the rematch ?
Not with that approach !
He has to manhandle him and make it rough even though he may get stopped himself by doing so .

Poor performance from AJ
Fab performance by USYK - top drawer !
Yep. It was mad the approach. Imagine trying to outbox Usyk. It's like Norwich trying to beat Bayern Munich playing a passing game... never gonna work

And AJs skills aren't up to much really. He kept leaning forward, crouching, almost squatting often leaning forward, off-balanced... despite being the bigger guy

In the rematch he needs to do what Fury did against Wilder. Put some serious weight on and lean the fvck all over him... bully him like a little man... but I don't think he has the confidence in his chin to do that
Difference between Wilder and Usyk.

Usyk is a much better boxer and with much better movement.

Won't be easy.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 25 September 2021

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danconnollyeire wrote: 27 Sep 2021, 10:42
stevec@france wrote: 27 Sep 2021, 07:16
danconnollyeire wrote: 27 Sep 2021, 07:07 I've not heard much talk about how poor AJs jab was. It was his main punch but there was zero snap to it. Pawed in from low, no power

Usyk loves to parry down opponents jab with his lead hand then come over the top. AJ made it easy for him
Ok well as an AJ and Usyk fan I shall oblige .
Joshua was crap in the fight from the start until the end , yes he got a few heavy digs in around the mid rounds but ate a lot in return which did him more damage .
No way should he have backed off the way he did , his attributes are about his power / size etc and he seemed unwilling to get stuck in Chisora style .
I started to doubt AJ would come through with the win as soon as I heard all this talk of " doing my job and being back in the gym on Monday etc " Maybe I am wrong but his body language and approach was lacking something .

Can he win the rematch ?
Not with that approach !
He has to manhandle him and make it rough even though he may get stopped himself by doing so .

Poor performance from AJ
Fab performance by USYK - top drawer !
Yep. It was mad the approach. Imagine trying to outbox Usyk. It's like Norwich trying to beat Bayern Munich playing a passing game... never gonna work

And AJs skills aren't up to much really. He kept leaning forward, crouching, almost squatting often leaning forward, off-balanced... despite being the bigger guy

In the rematch he needs to do what Fury did against Wilder. Put some serious weight on and lean the fvck all over him... bully him like a little man... but I don't think he has the confidence in his chin to do that
That stood out loud and clear to me too. Strange to see such a big heavyweight doing that. Not sure how effective AJ would have been had he tried to keep it at long range but he negated his own height and reach advantages. I saw him bending his knees, reducing his height, and I imagine Uysk thought "thanks very much".
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Re: Round-by-Round: Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 25 September 2021

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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 27 Sep 2021, 11:05
danconnollyeire wrote: 27 Sep 2021, 10:42
stevec@france wrote: 27 Sep 2021, 07:16

Ok well as an AJ and Usyk fan I shall oblige .
Joshua was crap in the fight from the start until the end , yes he got a few heavy digs in around the mid rounds but ate a lot in return which did him more damage .
No way should he have backed off the way he did , his attributes are about his power / size etc and he seemed unwilling to get stuck in Chisora style .
I started to doubt AJ would come through with the win as soon as I heard all this talk of " doing my job and being back in the gym on Monday etc " Maybe I am wrong but his body language and approach was lacking something .

Can he win the rematch ?
Not with that approach !
He has to manhandle him and make it rough even though he may get stopped himself by doing so .

Poor performance from AJ
Fab performance by USYK - top drawer !
Yep. It was mad the approach. Imagine trying to outbox Usyk. It's like Norwich trying to beat Bayern Munich playing a passing game... never gonna work

And AJs skills aren't up to much really. He kept leaning forward, crouching, almost squatting often leaning forward, off-balanced... despite being the bigger guy

In the rematch he needs to do what Fury did against Wilder. Put some serious weight on and lean the fvck all over him... bully him like a little man... but I don't think he has the confidence in his chin to do that
Difference between Wilder and Usyk.

Usyk is a much better boxer and with much better movement.

Won't be easy.
No, Usyk isn't just going to let AJ get close, he will be hitting him on the way in, and spinning out of the way.

I actually think Joshua should target the arms, chest, hips, gut, anything that will slow Usyk down, and which is harder for him to avoid, the chest particularly will keep Usyk off balance.

If he can do that from the off, and hopefully slow Usyk down, then in the 2nd half of the fight he can get closer and start to maul him.

Those would be tactics for him.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 25 September 2021

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JimJim2009 wrote: 27 Sep 2021, 11:10
danconnollyeire wrote: 27 Sep 2021, 10:42
stevec@france wrote: 27 Sep 2021, 07:16

Ok well as an AJ and Usyk fan I shall oblige .
Joshua was crap in the fight from the start until the end , yes he got a few heavy digs in around the mid rounds but ate a lot in return which did him more damage .
No way should he have backed off the way he did , his attributes are about his power / size etc and he seemed unwilling to get stuck in Chisora style .
I started to doubt AJ would come through with the win as soon as I heard all this talk of " doing my job and being back in the gym on Monday etc " Maybe I am wrong but his body language and approach was lacking something .

Can he win the rematch ?
Not with that approach !
He has to manhandle him and make it rough even though he may get stopped himself by doing so .

Poor performance from AJ
Fab performance by USYK - top drawer !
Yep. It was mad the approach. Imagine trying to outbox Usyk. It's like Norwich trying to beat Bayern Munich playing a passing game... never gonna work

And AJs skills aren't up to much really. He kept leaning forward, crouching, almost squatting often leaning forward, off-balanced... despite being the bigger guy

In the rematch he needs to do what Fury did against Wilder. Put some serious weight on and lean the fvck all over him... bully him like a little man... but I don't think he has the confidence in his chin to do that
That stood out loud and clear to me too. Strange to see such a big heavyweight doing that. Not sure how effective AJ would have been had he tried to keep it at long range but he negated his own height and reach advantages. I saw him bending his knees, reducing his height, and I imagine Uysk thought "thanks very much".
I noticed it vs Pulev too... it's like... he's waited until he's at the elite level to then think about boxing. If he wanted to do that, he should've done what Fury did... instead of blasting out Kevin Johnson... played with them, get the rounds in and learn

Those early KOs looked impressive but he never really boxed. He'd often throw a power punch in the first 10 seconds and it was pretty much over from there. It was exciting and got him a lot of fans but didn't prepare him...
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Re: Round-by-Round: Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 25 September 2021

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I thought Frank was being pretty modest actually, i expected some serious gloating.

Full interview below;


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Re: Round-by-Round: Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 25 September 2021

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You can imagine IFL tv camping on his door step waiting for Frank to turn up in the morning.
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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 27 Sep 2021, 12:11 I thought Frank was being pretty modest actually, i expected some serious gloating.

Full interview below;


Pretty much agree with everything there, Bang on.

Joshua looked way too jovial and relaxed going into the fight.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 25 September 2021

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I know Joshua being more aggressive and using his size is a lot easier said than done, but I still genuinely don’t understand why they weren’t the tactics, it was his only real chance of winning. Clearly his camp were happier with him lasting the distance (which he barely managed) and hoping for a gift on the scorecards, but I would have much preferred him to get ko’d and made a proper go of it.

A comparison would be something like Mayweather vs Maidana 1, where Maidana had a lot of success simply because he was prepared to put his head down and negate Floyd’s superior skills with aggression and power.
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I was surprised when commentary mentioned how few southpaws AJ fought
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Re: Round-by-Round: Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 25 September 2021

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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 26 Sep 2021, 07:44
Coppingers an idiot. He’s spent the last few months saying Joshua won’t be worried about Usyk as he doesn’t look good at heavyweight. Now he’s claiming he wouldn’t have fought him if he wasn’t mandatory
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Foggy wrote: 26 Sep 2021, 04:51 The crowd gave Usuk a good pop when the decision was announced the NEW, do we think this is because:-
A…The decision was correct
B…People like USYK for who he is
C…Peopke wanted to see Joshua lose
I think a lot of it was that the decision was correct but I think there’s a lot of boxing fans getting fed up with your Joshua’s, Fury’s & Whyte constantly talking a good game but for whatever reason not making the big fights.

To me Usyk’s everything that’s right about boxing. Goes to everybody’s backyards, doesn’t constantly bitch & whine about purses & deals & he seems a genuinely decent bloke who can be entertaining without chucking tables about & abusing people.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 25 September 2021

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a force wrote: 28 Sep 2021, 07:06
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 26 Sep 2021, 07:44
Coppingers an idiot. He’s spent the last few months saying Joshua won’t be worried about Usyk as he doesn’t look good at heavyweight. Now he’s claiming he wouldn’t have fought him if he wasn’t mandatory
He admitted that Usyk had a lot of fans including himself fooled based on his previous HW fights.
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Re: Round-by-Round: Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 25 September 2021

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Boxerbeetle wrote: 27 Sep 2021, 13:04 I know Joshua being more aggressive and using his size is a lot easier said than done, but I still genuinely don’t understand why they weren’t the tactics, it was his only real chance of winning. Clearly his camp were happier with him lasting the distance (which he barely managed) and hoping for a gift on the scorecards, but I would have much preferred him to get ko’d and made a proper go of it.

A comparison would be something like Mayweather vs Maidana 1, where Maidana had a lot of success simply because he was prepared to put his head down and negate Floyd’s superior skills with aggression and power.
Yeah I agree BUT that's how Maidana always fights and he had practice against Floyd Zero (Broner). Plus he ain't chinny

Still AJ should've been more rough. Less Maidana rough... more Wlad K/Fury vs Wilder where you lean on the guy constantly
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Re: Round-by-Round: Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 25 September 2021

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Klitschko presents Usyk with WBC belt

Kyiv Mayor Vitali Klitschko, who was named "Eternal World Heavyweight Champion" by the WBC, has met with the new world heavyweight champion, Ukrainian Oleksandr Usyk, the mayor's press service has reported.

Klitschko once again congratulated Usyk on winning the world heavyweight champion title in a fight with Anthony Joshua and presented him with a WBC belt.

"I once again congratulate you on your victory and want to present a symbolic gift to you. You now hold four heavyweight championship belts, but you do not have a WBC belt in this category yet. And you will definitely win it! I am presenting you with the first WBC belt with a large Ukrainian flag, which was made for the WBC Convention that took place in Kyiv in 2018. This is to make you lucky and motivated! After all, your idol, Mohamed Ali, also held such a belt," Klitschko said.

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Usyk thanked Klitschko for his support. The champions also spoke via video link to WBC President Mauricio Sulaiman. Usyk showed Sulaiman the belt presented by Klitschko and noted that this would be the next trophy he wins.

Usyk defeated Joshua in a unanimous decision and captured the IBF, WBA (super), and WBO heavyweight titles.

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‘Eternal World Heavyweight Champion’ ?
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Boxerbeetle wrote: 28 Sep 2021, 11:44 ‘Eternal World Heavyweight Champion’ ?
Probably cus he never lost the belt.. twice.. lol
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Re: Round-by-Round: Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 25 September 2021

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https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/a ... w-25089062

I have no words.... shock horror Joshua drops behind Usyk in world rankings :lol:
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Re: Round-by-Round: Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 25 September 2021

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Skysports just premiered Joshua v Usyk on YouTube. Watched it, decent fight fought at a brisk pace, but wrong tactics from AJ.

Scored it 117-112 Usyk, but there were some rounds that were tricky to draw a firm conclusion. Certainly the right right man :TU:
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