Classic American West Coast Boxing

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 03 Mar 2008, 17:28

wouter wrote:Kikibalt

Do you have any pictures of Charley 'Killer' Coates?

I don't have a pic. of Coates, I'll see if I can fine you one though.

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 03 Mar 2008, 17:54

Joey Lopes

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 03 Mar 2008, 19:01

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 03 Mar 2008, 19:03

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 03 Mar 2008, 19:10

"El Maceton"

Mr. D.

There's your Man!!!

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 03 Mar 2008, 19:24

Tony Baltazar (R) age 11-12 years old, boxing with Eddie Garcia.

This was on one of the public workouts on a Sunday afternoon before a big fight at the Olympic, after this workout the fans threw over $200.00 in the ring.

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 03 Mar 2008, 19:36

kikibalt wrote:
Tony Baltazar (R) age 11-12 years old, boxing with Eddie Garcia.

This was on one of the public workouts on a Sunday afternoon before a big fight at the Olympic, after this workout the fans threw over $200.00 in the ring.

Looks like Tonys gettin ready to throw that big lefthook.
He had that punch even in 6th grade didnt he?

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 03 Mar 2008, 19:43

Pugs,

Tony was 7 years old when he score his first real ko!

I think he was more like 10-11 years old on that photo and not 12.

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 03 Mar 2008, 19:51

kikibalt wrote:Pugs,

Tony was 7 years old when he score his first real ko!

I think he was more like 10-11 years old on that photo and not 12.

The young Tiger.
He must have had a lot of amateur fights.
Thats good.
I believe any pro should have a good amount.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 03 Mar 2008, 19:53

Billy Conn never had an amateur fight.

Harold Johnson never had an amateur fight.

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 03 Mar 2008, 20:06

Expug wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Pugs,

Tony was 7 years old when he score his first real ko!

I think he was more like 10-11 years old on that photo and not 12.
The young Tiger.
He must have had a lot of amateur fights.
Thats good.
I believe any pro should have a good amount.

Pugs

Tony had 250 amateur, W-238 L-12

Won GG's titles, in 1976 he won the National AAU Jr. Olympic's,
He won the Outstanding Boxer Award
112#-119#-125#-132#, he was pick outstanding boxer from all the boxers boxing in those 4 weight class's

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 03 Mar 2008, 20:06

kikibalt wrote:

"El Maceton"

Mr. D.

There's your Man!!!

Marvin Camel.
He fought a few guys from here.
Young Joe Louis
Leroy Murphy
Chuck Warfield.

Warfield fought Yaqui Lopez too.
He tried to train a fighter once.
He brought a guy to the gym once who wanted to fight.
He bugged my trainer for half an hour to let him spar with me.
I had already one or two pro fights.
Anyway this guy was clearly right out of the joint.
Muscles everywhere , tatoos and that wild freakin look in his eyes.
Finaly my trainer said ok.
Round one this guy comes at me like a wildman .
He even lands a few but they are wild shots and dont hurt.
End of the round , and hes thinkin this boxing aint so hard.
But I had just been layin back a bit and hes gassed.
Round two I hang him up on the ropes and open up with both hands.
Heres the funny part.
The guy jumps out of the ring walks over to Warfield and says FU.K this take these things off.
He walks out of the gym and thats that.

Rick Farris · Post by **Rick Farris** » 03 Mar 2008, 20:10

[quote="kikibalt"]

Exterior view of heavyweight boxing champion James J. Jeffries' Barn.

Hey Frank . . .

Thanks for the very cool Jim Jeffries photos. He was quite a local personality in Burbank until his death. I was told by my grandfather that Jeffries seemed to deteriorate after the death of his wife. A once powerful figure, he just seemed to go down hill after that.

A Union Hall for aircraft workers, and a building that was once a Ralph's Market sit ion the corner where the Barn was. On the opposite corner, where Jefferies house was located, a gas station & stripo mall.

A street was named for the heavyweight champ, Jeffries Ave. My junior high school was Jeffries Ave, about a block from where the barn was.

Spider Mock, worked at Universal Studios as a laborer. He was a hot amateur from Jeffries Barn, he turned pro, and never went far.

The photo you posted of Mock with Mushy Callahan, Fidel LaBarba, Frank Moran, looked like the faces I'd see in George Parnassus oofice back in the early 70's.

-Rick

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 03 Mar 2008, 20:14

Pugs,

You did the right thing, you don't need guys like that in the gym.

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 03 Mar 2008, 20:19

kikibalt wrote:Pugs,

You did the right thing, you don't need guys like that in the gym.

Im sure youve seen stuff like this over the years Frank.
And Im sure youve probably seen some ex pros who are a little desperate to stay in the game as trainers etc.
Some times some of them dont make real good decisions.
But of course some do.

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 03 Mar 2008, 20:35

Expug wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Pugs,

You did the right thing, you don't need guys like that in the gym.
Im sure youve seen stuff like this over the years Frank.
And Im sure youve probably seen some ex pros who are a little desperate to stay in the game as trainers etc.
Some times some of them dont make real good decisions.
But of course some do.

Pugs,

I once had a guy that I started training, he was just like that guy you mentioned, Danny was one crazy dude, I took him to the gym couple of times to spar, after the sparring he wanted to fight the guys he spar with outside the gym, needless to say I got rid of him fast, about 5 years later he was shot and killed, the sad thing was that he could been a good fighter, he was a HW. can you imagine a chicano HW that could fight in the early 1970,s, we would all be on easy st. now.

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 03 Mar 2008, 21:23

kikibalt wrote:
Expug wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Pugs,

You did the right thing, you don't need guys like that in the gym.
Im sure youve seen stuff like this over the years Frank.
And Im sure youve probably seen some ex pros who are a little desperate to stay in the game as trainers etc.
Some times some of them dont make real good decisions.
But of course some do.
Pugs,

I once had a guy that I started training, he was just like that guy you mentioned, Danny was one crazy dude, I took him to the gym couple of times to spar, after the sparring he wanted to fight the guys he spar with outside the gym, needless to say I got rid of him fast, about 5 years later he was shot and killed, the sad thing was that he could been a good fighter, he was a HW. can you imagine a chicano HW that could fight in the early 1970,s, we would all be on easy st. now.

Its good for a kid to be tough.
And most fighters have had some scraps in the street.But they gotta leave that stuff behind when they get serious about boxing.
Im reminded of Frankie Depaula.
He wound up getting whacked .
Eddie Melo too.

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 03 Mar 2008, 21:48

I found out through the years that 90% of the fighters are easy going guys outside the ring. Most of them won't hurt a fly.
But now and then, you will fine a punk or two.

scartissue · Post by **scartissue** » 03 Mar 2008, 21:50

Warfield fought Yaqui Lopez too.
He tried to train a fighter once.
He brought a guy to the gym once who wanted to fight.
He bugged my trainer for half an hour to let him spar with me.
I had already one or two pro fights.
Anyway this guy was clearly right out of the joint.
Muscles everywhere , tatoos and that wild freakin look in his eyes.
Finaly my trainer said ok.
Round one this guy comes at me like a wildman .
He even lands a few but they are wild shots and dont hurt.
End of the round , and hes thinkin this boxing aint so hard.
But I had just been layin back a bit and hes gassed.
Round two I hang him up on the ropes and open up with both hands.
Heres the funny part.
The guy jumps out of the ring walks over to Warfield and says FU.K this take these things off.
He walks out of the gym and thats that.[/quote]

Pug, I had a similar experience in the gym once. Same muscle-bound dude only minus the tatoos. My Pops shows up with a friend just to watch me when muscles decides he'd like to spar with me. I had been at it for over a year and knew more than the average Joe, but as a 6'1" welterweight, I had to have looked positively anemic. So when my Dad's buddy says to him, "Don't let that guy fight your son, he'll kill your son!" That was it, my Irish was up, "lace 'em up!" Only unlike you, I was too keyed up to lay back. At 19, the very thought of someone thinking anyone was going to kill me was more than I could stand and I ripped into him. Within one minute he leaned over the ropes and says to my Dad, "Could you ask your son not to hit me in the face or the body, just sort of in the chest?" I wish there was a film of my expression, mouthpiece jutting out of my mouth, mumbling, "What the **** was that!" Tough guys!!!!!

Scartissue

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 03 Mar 2008, 22:53

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 03 Mar 2008, 22:56

Who da?

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 03 Mar 2008, 23:13

Andy "The Hawk" Price and Burt Reynolds

kikibalt · Post by **kikibalt** » 03 Mar 2008, 23:17

dagosd2000 · Post by **dagosd2000** » 03 Mar 2008, 23:33

kikibalt wrote:

"El Maceton"

Mr. D.

There's your Man!!!

Unreal Dude! Thanks. I also want to thank you and Rick for the Jeffries info. That Auditorium in TJ has presented a cross section of Mexican fighters from all over the republic. This veers a little away from the topic,but the Auditorium also features the wrestling matches. I was coaching the high school team in Colonia Otay. I'd take the players down the hill to Colonia LaMesa to train with the weights in a real good gym they had there.The owner of the gym was a woman. Her husband was one of these body builders. Well her family was loaded.They owned the whole block. This guy talks her into building this gym. Well he's in the gym working out with the weights and ,on the side,with the senoritas as well. This woman's family has some pull,and she gets a lawyer and unloads Mr. Marblebaggers.

Her son was on my highschool football team,and he wasn't very good. He was too shy for the sport,and when we lined up for"one on one" drills all the other players were trying to find him. Well he didn't mind getting pounded everyday just so he could put on the 'ol uniform on game day. I'd let him play if we were way ahead or way behind. His mother,who now ran the gym,would let the players work out for free during the day as long as I would work out with her at night. I called it"taking one for the team."

One afternoon these two big dudes come in wearing masks. They've got on suits and they approach me. They're real serious and they ask me if I would like to be a wrestler. They said I could make $200 if I wrestled Saturday nights in TJ and Sundays in Mexicali. What the hell. I figured it's all an act anyway. The masked men tell me to meet them at the Auditorium Monday afternoon.
Before they walked out the door,I asked them,"What are you going to call me?"
"El Gringo"
"Is that a good guy or bad guy?"
"Bad guy"

I get there a little early and the ring is full of wrestlers. I see my masked buddies and they motion me over. They ask me if I know how to tumble. I'm a lttle confused,so they give me an example. On the brawny bruisers gets on the top rope in the corner and does a swan dive towards the mat. Before he hits ,he tucks his head and tumbles forward doing a summer sault. Next thing I know all these wrestlers are flipping and flying in and out of the ring. I figured my mighty masked friend gave them signal. Now I don't know if this is wrestling or an audition for a circus. One of the masked mountains tells me this is how"Maromero" Perez got his start.Working as an acrobat in his grandmother's circus. "Maromero" they said means "tumbler" in Spanish. And I'm thinking,"Who gives a s---?"

I shake my head and tell these two Halloween characters that my body doesn't bend very good. I'll pass. Just then this human missle in a pair of "bun huggers" flies in front of my face and lands head first into the first row of seats. One of the "Spandex Faces" shouts,"Mal"(bad).
Well the "missle" must have went off course and he's laying there in the front row, not movin'.

I start back to my car and think if this is an act, Shakespeare must have been a tough son of a bitch.

dagosd2000 · Post by **dagosd2000** » 03 Mar 2008, 23:39

scartissue wrote:Warfield fought Yaqui Lopez too.
He tried to train a fighter once.
He brought a guy to the gym once who wanted to fight.
He bugged my trainer for half an hour to let him spar with me.
I had already one or two pro fights.
Anyway this guy was clearly right out of the joint.
Muscles everywhere , tatoos and that wild freakin look in his eyes.
Finaly my trainer said ok.
Round one this guy comes at me like a wildman .
He even lands a few but they are wild shots and dont hurt.
End of the round , and hes thinkin this boxing aint so hard.
But I had just been layin back a bit and hes gassed.
Round two I hang him up on the ropes and open up with both hands.
Heres the funny part.
The guy jumps out of the ring walks over to Warfield and says FU.K this take these things off.
He walks out of the gym and thats that.

Pug, I had a similar experience in the gym once. Same muscle-bound dude only minus the tatoos. My Pops shows up with a friend just to watch me when muscles decides he'd like to spar with me. I had been at it for over a year and knew more than the average Joe, but as a 6'1" welterweight, I had to have looked positively anemic. So when my Dad's buddy says to him, "Don't let that guy fight your son, he'll kill your son!" That was it, my Irish was up, "lace 'em up!" Only unlike you, I was too keyed up to lay back. At 19, the very thought of someone thinking anyone was going to kill me was more than I could stand and I ripped into him. Within one minute he leaned over the ropes and says to my Dad, "Could you ask your son not to hit me in the face or the body, just sort of in the chest?" I wish there was a film of my expression, mouthpiece jutting out of my mouth, mumbling, "What the **** was that!" Tough guys!!!!!

Scartissue[/quote]
Hey Scar, I got news for you,Pug,and Frank. If Ring Lardner were alive today and read your stuff,he'd throw away his typewriter and go on the "Cooking Channel" making quiches.