Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 29 April 2023?
Posted: 10 Feb 2023, 18:06
by 887986
big lennox wrote: ↑09 Feb 2023, 02:52
I think the problem Uysk would have with Fury is Fury's supernatural fitness levels. Other big guys like AJ,Lennox Lewis and the Klitschko's etc all seemed to get fatigued over 12 rounds, but Fury doesn't seem to. It's remarkable.
Actually, I really don't think that would be the case (provided Fury stops running from Usyk and faces him, but that's not going to happen, sadly). I was never convinced about Fury's supernatural gas tank in the first place (it was good but never extraordinary) but even if he had a good gas tank many moons ago, we don't know what's the deal with his stamina now, in 2023, as he hasn't been tested in that department for a long time.
The last time Fury needed any type of stamina was the third Wilder fight two and a half years ago - and he was absolutely gassed by the end. Even though Wilder was basically just a walking punching bag for seven straight rounds and never actively engaged with Fury apart from the odd punch here and there ( = so Fury had to only concentrate on doing his thing, no mental or physical energy was needed to deter Wilder), Fury was almost as exhausted by the end as a staggering Wilder was. He didn't have to chase Wilder, actively defending, moving in and out of range - he threw shots and clinched while Wilder barely did anything, and still, he was absolutely toast by round 11 himself. The second Wilder fight was over rather quickly, and then the two other fights Fury had since the third Wilder fight were fought against slow, flat-footed plodders - not much need for some extraordinary stamina in those bouts either.
So I can't see any solid evidence based on Fury's last 3-4 fights that he actually has a gas tank that could bother Usyk in any way. Usyk's stamina is insane - he regularly spars 15 rounds with only 30 seconds rest between the rounds and against 4-5 different opponents, making sure his sparring partner is always fresher than him. That gas tank on him is ridiculous really. Even a prime Fury wouldn't be able to match it, let alone a 34-year-old, declining Fury - because he has been noticeably declining ever since the second Wilder fight.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 29 April 2023?
big lennox wrote: ↑09 Feb 2023, 02:52
I think the problem Uysk would have with Fury is Fury's supernatural fitness levels. Other big guys like AJ,Lennox Lewis and the Klitschko's etc all seemed to get fatigued over 12 rounds, but Fury doesn't seem to. It's remarkable.
Actually, I really don't think that would be the case (provided Fury stops running from Usyk and faces him, but that's not going to happen, sadly). I was never convinced about Fury's supernatural gas tank in the first place (it was good but never extraordinary) but even if he had a good gas tank many moons ago, we don't know what's the deal with his stamina now, in 2023, as he hasn't been tested in that department for a long time.
The last time Fury needed any type of stamina was the third Wilder fight two and a half years ago - and he was absolutely gassed by the end. Even though Wilder was basically just a walking punching bag for seven straight rounds and never actively engaged with Fury apart from the odd punch here and there ( = so Fury had to only concentrate on doing his thing, no mental or physical energy was needed to deter Wilder), Fury was almost as exhausted by the end as a staggering Wilder was. He didn't have to chase Wilder, actively defending, moving in and out of range - he threw shots and clinched while Wilder barely did anything, and still, he was absolutely toast by round 11 himself. The second Wilder fight was over rather quickly, and then the two other fights Fury had since the third Wilder fight were fought against slow, flat-footed plodders - not much need for some extraordinary stamina in those bouts either.
So I can't see any solid evidence based on Fury's last 3-4 fights that he actually has a gas tank that could bother Usyk in any way. Usyk's stamina is insane - he regularly spars 15 rounds with only 30 seconds rest between the rounds and against 4-5 different opponents, making sure his sparring partner is always fresher than him. That gas tank on him is ridiculous really. Even a prime Fury wouldn't be able to match it, let alone a 34-year-old, declining Fury - because he has been noticeably declining ever since the second Wilder fight.
Maybe the delay is down to Fury being busy cycling?
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 29 April 2023?
Posted: 10 Feb 2023, 20:05
by 887986
Teddy's Toupee wrote: ↑10 Feb 2023, 18:50
Maybe the delay is down to Fury being busy cycling?
It is a possibility. With Usyk seemingly losing weight (he looks like he is around 210 now, maybe even less than that) hence probably focusing on getting even more agile and mobile against Fury, Fury knows he can't be around 280 lbs against him. Even if he was around 245 lbs like he was against Wlad (his best form ever, arguably), it would be a massive challenge to keep up with Usyk's pace and movement.
Or the other possibility: since it's common knowledge that Usyk is a devout Orthodox Christian, Fury wants him to fully go through the Great Lent which is between the 22nd of February and the 6th of April this year. Fasting during the Great Lent is crucial for Usyk. That's why he wanted the fight to be no later than the 4th of March. I guess he figured a week or so into fasting wouldn't result in a significant loss of energy/power for him. But fasting for the full six weeks changes everything for him. Maybe that's what Fury was playing for. But then again, Usyk's team is the most professional and meticulous planners in the game. They had three different game plans to beat Joshua. Even letting Joshua come at Usyk and punch himself out in round 9 in the rematch was a calculated move from them. So it's hard to believe they don't have something planned for Usyk not losing weight and power during fasting.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 29 April 2023?
Posted: 11 Feb 2023, 05:09
by tonyevs
Latest from Fury is not looking promising:
"I actually have not been on social media since October last year. I deleted the apps and won’t be returning. I like my battery life too much.
“I think (for) all the information that you need to know about the Usyk or any other boxing fights, you’ve got to speak to the promoters. I made a vow not to get involved any more because one, it causes me stress, and two it causes me anxiety and depression.”
“I don’t know anything about it right now. We shall see. But as of today, I’ve not even had an offer from anybody, to do a fight. I’ve been undefeated for 14 years. I can beat any man, there’s no doubt about that. They can’t defeat me in a boxing ring, for sure"
.................
Was it last October Fury was last making his social media video demands??
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 29 April 2023?
Posted: 11 Feb 2023, 05:21
by big lennox
tonyevs wrote: ↑11 Feb 2023, 05:09
Latest from Fury is not looking promising:
"I actually have not been on social media since October last year. I deleted the apps and won’t be returning. I like my battery life too much.
“I think (for) all the information that you need to know about the Usyk or any other boxing fights, you’ve got to speak to the promoters. I made a vow not to get involved any more because one, it causes me stress, and two it causes me anxiety and depression.”
“I don’t know anything about it right now. We shall see. But as of today, I’ve not even had an offer from anybody, to do a fight. I’ve been undefeated for 14 years. I can beat any man, there’s no doubt about that. They can’t defeat me in a boxing ring, for sure"
.................
Was it last October Fury was last making his social media video demands??
It's very strange, isn't it? He was all over the AJ negotiations calling him out, then praising Chisora etc, but absolutely radio silence towards Uysk. Its hard not to surmise that he doesn't fancy his chances against Uysk.
The TV Companies, Governing bodies are all aligned, Uysk has agreed terms, dates have been made available. Fury's promoters have said they are just looking at venues and yet, here's Fury saying he hasn't had an offer.
If he doesn't feel up to the challenge, then let Uysk box someone else for the Undisputed title. And Fury's team should just come out and say that he wants to fight other people.
I do think that Fury's standing/legacy will drop significantly if he doesn't face Uysk. It's his acid test and it looks, on the face of it, like Fury's done a runner.
It's interesting that John Fury says that Uysk is too small and doesn't have a chance, but Peter Fury says that Uysk is the real deal and, at 6 ft 3 and almost 16 stone, isn't small. Two very different view points.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 29 April 2023?
Posted: 11 Feb 2023, 06:05
by big lennox
Go to the 3 minute 11 second mark for the Fury vs Uysk update: " the fight is highly unlikely and probably not going to Saudi Arabia"
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 29 April 2023?
Posted: 11 Feb 2023, 06:32
by joshj909
big lennox wrote: ↑11 Feb 2023, 06:05
Go to the 3 minute 11 second mark for the Fury vs Uysk update: " the fight is highly unlikely and probably not going to Saudi Arabia"
It looks to be like he worded that poorly. I may be wrong but I think he meant unlikely to be in Saudi Arabia rather than highly unlikely to happen. Hope he's wrong in terms of it being unlikely to happen. Also, why is there suddenly an issue with Saudi Arabia if they're the only ones offering the money Fury is demanding?
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 29 April 2023?
big lennox wrote: ↑11 Feb 2023, 06:05
Go to the 3 minute 11 second mark for the Fury vs Uysk update: " the fight is highly unlikely and probably not going to Saudi Arabia"
It looks to be like he worded that poorly. I may be wrong but I think he meant unlikely to be in Saudi Arabia rather than highly unlikely to happen. Hope he's wrong in terms of it being unlikely to happen. Also, why is there suddenly an issue with Saudi Arabia if they're the only ones offering the money Fury is demanding?
I think he means it is highly unlikely to take place if it doesn't happen in Saudi because England can't pay similar money. Uysk has accepted his purse from Saudi but Fury, by the sounds of it, hasn't accepted his offer. Although, according to Fury, he hasn't received any offer, so who knows what is going on.
Even Fury's cousin, Andy Lee, doesn't think it will happen:
big lennox wrote: ↑11 Feb 2023, 06:05
Go to the 3 minute 11 second mark for the Fury vs Uysk update: " the fight is highly unlikely and probably not going to Saudi Arabia"
It looks to be like he worded that poorly. I may be wrong but I think he meant unlikely to be in Saudi Arabia rather than highly unlikely to happen. Hope he's wrong in terms of it being unlikely to happen. Also, why is there suddenly an issue with Saudi Arabia if they're the only ones offering the money Fury is demanding?
I think he means it is highly unlikely to take place if it doesn't happen in Saudi because England can't pay similar money. Uysk has accepted his purse from Saudi but Fury, by the sounds of it, hasn't accepted his offer. Although, according to Fury, he hasn't received any offer, so who knows what is going on.
Even Fury's cousin, Andy Lee, doesn't think it will happen:
Fury Vs Joyce and Usyk Vs Dubois it is then. I wouldn't be surprised if that's what Frank is angling for. Three of his guys in two title fights and a tiny possibility of having an all Queensbury unification after.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 29 April 2023?
Posted: 11 Feb 2023, 06:53
by ashall2
Usyk’s team notoriously easy to deal with... until Fury gets involved.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 29 April 2023?
Posted: 11 Feb 2023, 07:01
by Ruthless-RKO
ashall2 wrote: ↑11 Feb 2023, 06:53
Usyk’s team notoriously easy to deal with... until Fury gets involved.
Funny, Fury managed to get the WIlder fights done pretty quickly.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 29 April 2023?
ashall2 wrote: ↑11 Feb 2023, 06:53
Usyk’s team notoriously easy to deal with... until Fury gets involved.
Funny, Fury managed to get the WIlder fights done pretty quickly.
As soon as Fury has a position of power it becomes difficult. He got the first one after 3 years out and 2 terrible opponents because Wilder gave him a voluntary defence and Fury was in no position to call shots.
Wilder had to go court for the third one and even then that got delayed because Fury apparently had Covid even though all his team were at a UFC fight the day after.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 29 April 2023?
ashall2 wrote: ↑11 Feb 2023, 06:53
Usyk’s team notoriously easy to deal with... until Fury gets involved.
Funny, Fury managed to get the WIlder fights done pretty quickly.
cos he knew he had wilders number
The first Fury fight was a cherry pick of sorts gone wrong, Wilder seen the Seferi and Pianeta fights and thought Fury was ripe for picking, he had no choice but to fight him a second time after the controversy of the first fight and probably thought Fury would'nt be so lucky next time, I did as well tbf, Fury ruined him mentally and physically in the rematch, let's not forget Wilder dragged his heels for the third fight, went AWOL until a Fury/Joshua fight became a real possibility then Wilder had to force the third fight and fair play to him because he could've easily sat aside and blamed Fury for ducking out
As for Fury of course he deserves props for getting in the ring with Wilder 3 times but it doesn't change the fact that he ducked out of a Joshua fight when he could've offered Wilder step aside which is common practice, after the beating he gave Wilder in the rematch, facing him a third time probably wasn't all that
One swallow doesn't make a summer, sure Fury faced a dangerous fighter in Wilder and Klitschko but still doesn't change the fact that he avoided Price, Joshua and wouldnt be surprised if he avoids Usyk as well although I will say I wouldn't be surprised if the Usyk fight comes off as well
What I do know is that Tyson Fury is a compulsive liar who talks more shite than 10 arses
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 29 April 2023?
Funny, Fury managed to get the WIlder fights done pretty quickly.
cos he knew he had wilders number
The first Fury fight was a cherry pick of sorts gone wrong, Wilder seen the Seferi and Pianeta fights and thought Fury was ripe for picking, he had no choice but to fight him a second time after the controversy of the first fight and probably thought Fury would'nt be so lucky next time, I did as well tbf, Fury ruined him mentally and physically in the rematch, let's not forget Wilder dragged his heels for the third fight, went AWOL until a Fury/Joshua fight became a real possibility then Wilder had to force the third fight and fair play to him because he could've easily sat aside and blamed Fury for ducking out
As for Fury of course he deserves props for getting in the ring with Wilder 3 times but it doesn't change the fact that he ducked out of a Joshua fight when he could've offered Wilder step aside which is common practice, after the beating he gave Wilder in the rematch, facing him a third time probably wasn't all that
One swallow doesn't make a summer, sure Fury faced a dangerous fighter in Wilder and Klitschko but still doesn't change the fact that he avoided Price, Joshua and wouldnt be surprised if he avoids Usyk as well although I will say I wouldn't be surprised if the Usyk fight comes off as well
What I do know is that Tyson Fury is a compulsive liar who talks more shite than 10 arses
Spot on. I think Fury knows he won’t have the mental edge too. Shouting dosser at a bloke who barely understands English won’t do anything.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 29 April 2023?
The first Fury fight was a cherry pick of sorts gone wrong, Wilder seen the Seferi and Pianeta fights and thought Fury was ripe for picking, he had no choice but to fight him a second time after the controversy of the first fight and probably thought Fury would'nt be so lucky next time, I did as well tbf, Fury ruined him mentally and physically in the rematch, let's not forget Wilder dragged his heels for the third fight, went AWOL until a Fury/Joshua fight became a real possibility then Wilder had to force the third fight and fair play to him because he could've easily sat aside and blamed Fury for ducking out
As for Fury of course he deserves props for getting in the ring with Wilder 3 times but it doesn't change the fact that he ducked out of a Joshua fight when he could've offered Wilder step aside which is common practice, after the beating he gave Wilder in the rematch, facing him a third time probably wasn't all that
One swallow doesn't make a summer, sure Fury faced a dangerous fighter in Wilder and Klitschko but still doesn't change the fact that he avoided Price, Joshua and wouldnt be surprised if he avoids Usyk as well although I will say I wouldn't be surprised if the Usyk fight comes off as well
What I do know is that Tyson Fury is a compulsive liar who talks more shite than 10 arses
Spot on. I think Fury knows he won’t have the mental edge too. Shouting dosser at a bloke who barely understands English won’t do anything.
Think Usyk has really got into Furys head , tables have really turned , who else laughs at him and says i'm waiting for you BELLY
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 29 April 2023?
Posted: 11 Feb 2023, 11:59
by emallini
Sign the contract Belly
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 29 April 2023?
Posted: 12 Feb 2023, 07:21
by handsofstone
Looks like Saudi is out, surely someone in the middle east is prepared to stump up the cash they want,. England looking likely now, hope Fury and Bob dont play silly buggers
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 29 April 2023?
Posted: 12 Feb 2023, 07:24
by maverick23
handsofstone wrote: ↑12 Feb 2023, 07:21
Looks like Saudi is out, surely someone in the middle east is prepared to stump up the cash they want,. England looking likely now, hope Fury and Bob dont play silly buggers
It’s very strange. Usyk has apparently done a deal direct with Saudi.
Tyson is probably asking for crazy money but may be turning down a lot more from Saudi than he’d get from the U.K. purely because he thinks he deserves more.
If it does happen in the U.K. then get ready to hear the narrative of how he wanted to deliver it to the British fans etc.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 29 April 2023?
Posted: 12 Feb 2023, 07:26
by coneye
handsofstone wrote: ↑12 Feb 2023, 07:21
Looks like Saudi is out, surely someone in the middle east is prepared to stump up the cash they want,. England looking likely now, hope Fury and Bob dont play silly buggers
Well if Usyk has agreed and signed has suggested , the hold up has to be Fury , but according to what he himself has said many times he does'nt care about money , SO whats the hold up
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 29 April 2023?
Posted: 12 Feb 2023, 07:31
by Boxerbeetle
Fury is always the holdup. Probably about to announce his retirement for the 4 thousandth time.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Oleksandr Usyk - 29 April 2023?
handsofstone wrote: ↑12 Feb 2023, 07:21
Looks like Saudi is out, surely someone in the middle east is prepared to stump up the cash they want,. England looking likely now, hope Fury and Bob dont play silly buggers
If it does happen in the U.K. then get ready to hear the narrative of how he wanted to deliver it to the British fans etc.
Yes he has only a couple ready made excuses to fall back on:
1. Being the Peoples Champion - His love and respect of the British public and importance of giving them what they want regardless of financial costs to himself.
2. Having serious mental health problems - raising awareness and promoting social justice for people with mental health problems.
Of course he contradicts both these fake personas at every opportunity.
However, despite only recently making numerous social media videos calling out AJ to fight ... he know states he avoids social media because of his serious mental health problems (which of course there is no evidence he has) which appears to be in response to Usyk turning the tables on him by making his "Belly .. where are you" videos.
I thought fWank would have forced Fury into taking the Usyk fight because of the money he too will make.
