Classic American West Coast Boxing

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Charlie Magri
He may have held the WBC belt for little over six months, but as he is fond of saying: "Winning that world title has taken me a long way through life."

THE Victoria pub in Bow is a shrine to the noble art. Framed boxing photographs adorn the walls with images of everyone from Muhammad Ali to Naseem Hamed.

Yet pride of place goes to a large poster advertising a boxing bill from Wembley in March 1983 - a night when the pub's landlord, Charlie Magri, defeated Eleoncio Mercedes to become WBC flyweight champion. Now 50, Magri is slightly rounder than we remember but he remains immensely proud of his accomplishments. For a few years, at least, he regularly packed out the top London venues and made flyweight boxing sexy.

Born in the North African city of Tunis - Magri's parents were Tunisian - the future world champion moved to London's East End as a youngster.

A Millwall youth footballer, he was instantly turned on to the blood and guts of boxing and was an outstanding amateur, winning four ABA titles and competing for Great Britain in the 1976 Montreal Olympics.

Confident and cocky, Magri claims he often beat his opponents before he got into the ring. He recalls one such psychological battle at the ABA semis against Dave George. "They were all raving about this Welshman," recalls Magri. "We were waiting to go into the arena at Belle Vue and I said to him ‘You can tell your grandchildren you were knocked out by Charlie Magri'. "He just froze - you could see it in his face. He was beaten before we entered the ring." Sadly, Charlie underperformed in Montreal, exiting in the first round of the competition. In the wake of the disappointment he contemplated retirement, but Terry Lawless turned his head and offered him the chance to turn pro in 1977.

"When I first met Lawless, he said I'll be capable of winning a British title in three fights and was I ready for 15 three-minute rounds for the title? "I turned around and said, cheeky as anything, ‘How much do I get for that'?" Magri did it, too, beating Dave Smith in seven rounds at the Albert Hall to become British champion just three fights into his career. A shortage of real British talent at flyweight meant Charlie quickly had to seek overseas opposition. He lifted the European title in 1979 and after four defences Lawless finally delivered him the world title chance. Amid a highly-charged atmosphere at Wembley, there was little doubt as to the outcome. Magri dominated. "Mercedes was a really classy fighter, but I got right in to him straight away," says Magri. "There was no one left in East London - everyone had come to see me. They was no way I was going to be beaten that night. I was on such a high." In round seven the bout was stopped because of excessive cuts and Magri crowned. That's how the moniker "Champagne Charlie" stuck. Overnight, he became one the biggest sports stars in the country. His story was told on TV's This is Your Life and he enjoyed the trappings of fame and money.

Sadly, in his first defence back at Wembley he was stopped in six rounds by Filipino Frank Cedeno in a one-sided fight. The defeat still frustrates Magri because he believes he wasn't ready. "I discovered later I had a blind ball in my ear, a swelling inside the eardrum," he explains. "I went to see a Harley Street doctor after the fight and he told me.

"Cedeno was a southpaw and could punch a bit. But I didn't feel myself that night. I just didn't feel up for it." He bounced back to regain the vacant European title from Franco Cherchi of Italy, but his third and final ‘world' title bout, in 1985 at the Alexandra Palace, also ended in defeat by classy Thai Sot Chitalada. Magri rates Chitalada as one of his two finest opponents along with Argentina's future world flyweight champion Santos Laciar, whom he beat on points in a non-title 10-rounder at the Albert Hall in 1980. His eight-year professional career ended in 1986, aged 29, when future IBF flyweight champion Duke McKenzie stopped him in five rounds.

"I didn't think I'd ever get beaten by Duke," admits Magri. "But after I lost I knew it was the end and I got out as quickly as possible. I only did it [boxing] for the money." Retirement from the fight game has generally been kind to Magri. Two years before hanging up his gloves he set up Magri Sports on the Bethnal Green Road, which he ran until five years ago when he sold the premises to his daughter Emma, who now runs a beauty salon on the site.

He also has a son, Charlie Jnr, to his ex-wife and now happily shares the flat above the pub with his partner Tina, whom he has known since primary school.

He enjoyed a five-year stint as a trainer but is now landlord at The Victoria, where he puts on the occasional boxing night. Magri also acts as vice-president of the ex-London Boxers Association.

"It's amazing. Winning that world title has taken me a long way through life."
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bennie wrote:
raylawpc wrote:Jeff discovered a new use for cattle:

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I once ran into a friendly cow while walking the dogs. Cows will always shy away if you get too close but this one stayed put and, I swear, was smiling at me. I patted it like a dog.
Must have been hand-reared.
Bennie, I don't know about cows being shy. I was fishing the Owns River, in the Sierra's, in 1979. It was in a open grassy area. I parked my Landcruiser and walked around until I found a good spot. I saw a few cows off in the distance. I was really concentrating and paying attention to the river and trying my damnedest to catch a Brown Trout, never having caught one before. I looked up and saw that the cows were a little close but I never really gave it a thought.

At some point, without my realizing it, I was surrounded by cattle. I'm not sure how many there were. In my mind there seemed to thousands but it was probably closer to a hundred, still I was starting to get a little nervous and I had the feeling they were nervous too.

I started thinking that maybe I better get the hell out of there, so I reeled in my line got my tackle box and was going to head back to my vehicle but I couldn't get through them. They were blocking my way. Now either by accident or on purpose, the cows started to separate a bit. Off in the distance a way there was large bull staring at me. Now I was really getting nervous. The more nervous I got the louder the cows got. I was walking along the river now, the opposite direction of my Landcruser, I just wanted to get away from the cows and that bull.

All at once the bull just charged towards me and the race was on. I saw an area when there was some trees and a wall of shrubs so I headed for that. I was running like I have never ran in my life. That bull was gaining on me. I was almost on the verge of panic but I did manage to peel off my brand spanking new red Mammoth Mountain tee shirt without skipping a beat and without dropping my gear. I just threw the shirt to the ground. I could hear the bull now and I somehow kept my pace and made it to the trees and shrubs.

I burst threw on the other side and onto an group of RV'ers that jumped up when I just shot into the campsite. Shirtless, breathless and full of sweat I'm sure, I tried to get them to understand that a crazy bull was chasing me, that it going to be here any second. They looked at me like I was nuts, and I'm sure for the moment, I was. The bull never showed up. They took a look and saw the bull walking calmly, heading back towards the cows. I stayed with them a bit and had something to eat and drink. They were humoring me. I'm sure to this day they still tell the story of some shirtless idiot that thought he was being chased by a bull. I eventually walked back, got my shirt and headed back to the hotel and my wife and kids. Without ever catching a fish!
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Dongee wrote:You are right, Kiki:

Funny thing, boxing shows were also staged (by Joe Louis) across the street from the Palladium, at Earl Carroll's Vanities Theater. Those were my old stamping grounds because the Legion Stadium is just three blocks north of the corner of El Centro and Sunset Blvd., where those two buildings stand. And Barney Ross ran a bar about a block west of Earl Carroll's, on the same side of the street.

I remember going to the Palladium to check out a new singer, Frank Sinatra, who was so hot that nobody was dancing. Instead everyone stood quietly at the bandstand, his date in front, with his arms around her waist and either rocked or swayed to the music. It was surprising to see that Frank had been scarred on the back of his neck by what looked like a bad burn. It was later reported as a memento of his birth, when forceps were allegedly used on him.

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Hap . . . I attended a wrap party at the Blue Palm recently. It was for a short production that I was involved with. You have enlightened me relating to your old Hollywood stomping grounds and today I see that area of Hollywood thru different eyes, thanks to you. By the way, the old Earl Carroll's theatre is now a TV studio. At the time Joe Louis was promoting boxing there in the 50's, my former manager Johnny Flores was his matchmaker. At the time, it was known as the "Moulan Rouge". In the sixties, it became the "Aquarius Theatre", where the showcasd the controversial play "Hair".

As for the Palladium, a way over the hill Carlos Palomino fought there just a few years back, attempting an ill-fated comeback.

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Alex Miteff vs Ruben Vargas
( l. to. r. Freddy Fiero, Alex Miteff's trainer, Ruben Vargas, Winner Alex Miteff and Whitey Bimstein, Miteff's Second)
Oakland, California, July 14, 1958
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Frank
Awhile back I asked you about a ref ,Frankie Van. You hinted that the guy was prejuduced. Well last night I watched a tape of Lauro Salas winning Jimmy Carter's title at the Olympic in 1952. Salas out punched and out worked Jimmy. Van was the ref. When Jimmy Lennon announced a split decision,the crowd and Salas's corner went ballistic. Fortunately the two judges had Lauro way ahead. Van ,close verdict for Carter.

I think you had something there. Either Van was readin' the papers while the fight was goin' on,or he hated menudo con pata.

BTW,were you or Hap at that one?
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dagosd2000 wrote:Frank
Awhile back I asked you about a ref ,Frankie Van. You hinted that the guy was prejuduced. Well last night I watched a tape of Lauro Salas winning Jimmy Carter's title at the Olympic in 1952. Salas out punched and out worked Jimmy. Van was the ref. When Jimmy Lennon announced a split decision,the crowd and Salas's corner went ballistic. Fortunately the two judges had Lauro way ahead. Van ,close verdict for Carter.

I think you had something there. Either Van was readin' the papers while the fight was goin' on,or he hated menudo con pata.

BTW,were you or Hap at that one?
I was, I don't know about Hap, but I would say that he was, I was also there for their first fight.
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kikibalt wrote:Image
Alex Miteff vs Ruben Vargas
( l. to. r. Freddy Fiero, Alex Miteff's trainer, Ruben Vargas, Winner Alex Miteff and Whitey Bimstein, Miteff's Second)
Oakland, California, July 14, 1958
I saw Jerry Quarry take out Alex Miteff at the Olympic in '67, I believe. I read about Ruben Vargas in the old KO mags that Frank posts. Hap or Frank, I never saw the guy fight and I know that he was less than great, however, I grew up seeing his pics and also reading about him. If you saw Vargas, what do you remember about the guy in the ring, etc. ?

-Rick
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Lauro Salas has his gloves laced on by his new trainer, Jock Stewart, UCLA soccer coach. Stewart will work Salas' corner when latter faces Paulie Armstead in 12 round State lightweight elimination bout tonight at Hollywood Legion Stadium.
1957.
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Rick Farris wrote:
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Alex Miteff vs Ruben Vargas
( l. to. r. Freddy Fiero, Alex Miteff's trainer, Ruben Vargas, Winner Alex Miteff and Whitey Bimstein, Miteff's Second)
Oakland, California, July 14, 1958
I saw Jerry Quarry take out Alex Miteff at the Olympic in '67, I believe. I read about Ruben Vargas in the old KO mags that Frank posts. Hap or Frank, I never saw the guy fight and I know that he was less than great, however, I grew up seeing his pics and also reading about him. If you saw Vargas, what do you remember about the guy in the ring, etc. ?

-Rick
Rick, Can't say that I seen Vargas fight, he did most of his fighting in No-Cal, maybe Hap seen him, if he did he'll tell us.
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Jimmy Carter vs Lauro Salas

Amazing! I Just watched this fight last night while I was working. A guy had Classic Sports Channel on at the video monitors and it featured the Carter-Salas 1952 bout from the Olympic. Now when anybody broadcasts this quality of "Classic Fights", count me in. As I watched the bout, I realized that I was just a few months old when it took place. The black & white footage was a little faded, but it didn't matter. I was seeing the Olympic Auditorium, a place where I would one day fight, a little over a dozen years later. I was seeing the Olympic in one of it's many "glory years". Carter was mob controlled and managed by Blinky Palermo. It was no secret that Carter knew how to take directions and was good enough to control a lot of great fighters in the ring. It was fun watching Carter and Salas trade punches, Carter was slick and he was in top shape.

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Lauro Salas, the newly crowned lightweight champion, receives a kiss from his pretty wife, Angelina, also a champion in the art of tamale-making, as a reward for having won the title from Jimmy Carter after a grueling battle. Salas is shown reading George Main's account of the battle in The Herald and Express.
May 15, 1952.
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kikibalt wrote:Image
Lauro Salas has his gloves laced on by his new trainer, Jock Stewart, UCLA soccer coach. Stewart will work Salas' corner when latter faces Paulie Armstead in 12 round State lightweight elimination bout tonight at Hollywood Legion Stadium.
1957.
Paulie Armstead used to train at Hoover Street Gym where I watched him work with Hedgeman Lewis in a late 60's sparring session. He was one of the most gifted boxers I'd seen at the time. A guy who was like Adolf Pruitt, Dwight Hawkins and L.C. Morgan, they traveled the world to fight the best in their own home towns. He was an L.A. guy. Frank, did you see this fight? I know that you knew Armstead.

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kikibalt wrote:
Boxingnut wrote:http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/BN08/detail.asp?id=582

Apologies if this has already been posted but I have only just noticed this anyway.
Thanks Boxing, I had never seen that one.
Thanks. I hadn't seen it either.
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Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Image
Jimmy Carter vs Lauro Salas

Amazing! I Just watched this fight last night while I was working. A guy had Classic Sports Channel on at the video monitors and it featured the Carter-Salas 1952 bout from the Olympic. Now when anybody broadcasts this quality of "Classic Fights", count me in. As I watched the bout, I realized that I was just a few months old when it took place. The black & white footage was a little faded, but it didn't matter. I was seeing the Olympic Auditorium, a place where I would one day fight, a little over a dozen years later. I was seeing the Olympic in one of it's many "glory years". The lightweights of that era still had Bolanos and Ike Williams around. I know from speaking with Williams, he did not like Carter. It was personal with Jimmy Carter for Ike Williams. Carter was mob controlled and managed by Blinky Palermo. It was no secret that Carter knew how to take directions and was good enough to control a lot of great fighters in the ring. It was fun watching Carter and Salas trade punches, Carter was slick and he was in top shape.

-Rick
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I watched that last night also. Aside from Van having his head up his ass (as I mentioned to Frank),I was interested in Steve Eliis's commentaries. Here's why. Ellis kept saying"Out here they do it this way". For example I didn't know LA. fighters could put tape on their faces to prevent cutting. But it was the expression.,"Out here."that he kept using like the West Coast was on the other side of the moon. It wasn't demeaning or insulting,but I think it was the fact that boxing was the biggest show in town and not many East Coast writers ventured out here. I also think the big Mexican fan base was new to him.Boxing was a big deal in LA.Bigger than the Rams who were still in the American Football Conference.

I think Ellis was amazed also by the Hollywood celebs at the fight. Fred Astaire,Donald O'Conner,Chico and Zeppo Marx,and Richard Conte. There was no major league baseball to go to. The Olympic,the Hollywood Legion Stadium.and the minor league ballparks hosted the fights. That and horse racing was the sporting life in LA. Roger
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Boxingnut wrote:http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/BN08/detail.asp?id=582

Apologies if this has already been posted but I have only just noticed this anyway.
Mando Muniz says:
“I didn’t even win the title and you’ve come here. I hope when people remember me they know I fought with all the gusto I could and as a guy who lived the life.”
Mando, nobody could forget a warrior like you. When it comes to heart Mando, you are at the top of anyone's list when it comes pound for pound heart. No one gave more of themselves in the ring.

Boxingnut, thanks for sharing that article. I had not seen it before.

Randy
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kikibalt wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:Frank
Awhile back I asked you about a ref ,Frankie Van. You hinted that the guy was prejuduced. Well last night I watched a tape of Lauro Salas winning Jimmy Carter's title at the Olympic in 1952. Salas out punched and out worked Jimmy. Van was the ref. When Jimmy Lennon announced a split decision,the crowd and Salas's corner went ballistic. Fortunately the two judges had Lauro way ahead. Van ,close verdict for Carter.

I think you had something there. Either Van was readin' the papers while the fight was goin' on,or he hated menudo con pata.

BTW,were you or Hap at that one?
I was, I don't know about Hap, but I would say that he was, I was also there for their first fight.
You know pal you lived,in my opinion,during Los Angeles's Golden Era. The late 40's and 50's. I remember as a kid we'd visit my uncle and my nephew in West Hollywood during that period. My memories are in black and white. The old film noir movies with LA. as the backdrop were in black and white. "He Walked By Night." "Dragnet." "Them" with James Arness. The street scenes of San Pedro ,downtown,Sunset Boulevard. That's part of the reason I look at old Superman episodes.

Frank Baltazar:a black and white snapshot of a age that's only a flickering memory.
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Diego; a B & W pic. of Connie and me...C-1959
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Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Image
Lauro Salas has his gloves laced on by his new trainer, Jock Stewart, UCLA soccer coach. Stewart will work Salas' corner when latter faces Paulie Armstead in 12 round State lightweight elimination bout tonight at Hollywood Legion Stadium.
1957.
Paulie Armstead used to train at Hoover Street Gym where I watched him work with Hedgeman Lewis in a late 60's sparring session. He was one of the most gifted boxers I'd seen at the time. A guy who was like Adolf Pruitt, Dwight Hawkins and L.C. Morgan, they traveled the world to fight the best in their own home towns. He was an L.A. guy. Frank, did you see this fight? I know that you knew Armstead.

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No Rick, I missed that one, though I did see Armstead fight a few fights live, same with Salas.
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Lucia Rijker . . .

Just spoke with Lucia and she'll be present at the WBHOF banquet. Would anybody mind if I invited her and a guest to join us at our table? She would appreciate the company, I'm sure. If you get a chance, rent Lucia's DVD "Shadow Boxers". It's a great documentary on Women Boxing, with some great behind the scenes training camp footage with trainer Frddie Roach, James Toney and others.

Lucia never lost as a boxer or kick-boxer, that is, except to a man, a world champion Thai kick boxer, who she held her own with before being KOed. YouTube has some great Lucia Rijker bouts available. She's one bad ass lady, but without question, a lady. Lucia is one of the most interesting women I've ever met.


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dagosd2000 wrote:
Rick Farris wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Image
Jimmy Carter vs Lauro Salas

Amazing! I Just watched this fight last night while I was working. A guy had Classic Sports Channel on at the video monitors and it featured the Carter-Salas 1952 bout from the Olympic. Now when anybody broadcasts this quality of "Classic Fights", count me in. As I watched the bout, I realized that I was just a few months old when it took place. The black & white footage was a little faded, but it didn't matter. I was seeing the Olympic Auditorium, a place where I would one day fight, a little over a dozen years later. I was seeing the Olympic in one of it's many "glory years". The lightweights of that era still had Bolanos and Ike Williams around. I know from speaking with Williams, he did not like Carter. It was personal with Jimmy Carter for Ike Williams. Carter was mob controlled and managed by Blinky Palermo. It was no secret that Carter knew how to take directions and was good enough to control a lot of great fighters in the ring. It was fun watching Carter and Salas trade punches, Carter was slick and he was in top shape.

-Rick
Rick
I watched that last night also. Aside from Van having his head up his ass (as I mentioned to Frank),I was interested in Steve Eliis's commentaries. Here's why. Ellis kept saying"Out here they do it this way". For example I didn't know LA. fighters could put tape on their faces to prevent cutting. But it was the expression.,"Out here."that he kept using like the West Coast was on the other side of the moon. It wasn't demeaning or insulting,but I think it was the fact that boxing was the biggest show in town and not many East Coast writers ventured out here. I also think the big Mexican fan base was new to him.Boxing was a big deal in LA.Bigger than the Rams who were still in the American Football Conference.

I think Ellis was amazed also by the Hollywood celebs at the fight. Fred Astaire,Donald O'Conner,Chico and Zeppo Marx,and Richard Conte. There was no major league baseball to go to. The Olympic,the Hollywood Legion Stadium.and the minor league ballparks hosted the fights. That and horse racing was the sporting life in LA. Roger
Interesting post, Rog, and I agree with you. This is where we need some help from Hap. I recall Hap saying that when he was at the Legion, boxing was run out of New York, and that West Coast promoters needed their blessing in order to stage a world title fight. Perhaps Hap could shed more light on that "Out here" comment. To us, that little distinction has meaning of some sort.

-Rick
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Rick Farris wrote:Lucia Rijker . . .

Would anybody mind if I invited her and a guest to join us at our table? She would appreciate the company, I'm sure.


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