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The story behind Philippe's and its famous French dip

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The well-known downtown L.A. eatery Philippe the Original will celebrate its 100th year in business on Oct. 6 by selling its French dipped sandwiches for a dime -- their price when they first appeared on the menu in 1918. Philippe's will also sell coffee for a nickel, half its regular price.

The Los Angeles landmark will celebrate its centennial Monday with dignitaries, the founder's grandson and slashed prices.
Steve Harvey, Only in L.A.

Philippe's, home of the French dip sandwich, turns 100 this year, and for much of the last century local historians and foodies have been arguing over one question: How was the dish created?

Was it the brainstorm of a customer who didn't want to see the juice in the roast pan go to waste? Was it an accident -- a server dropped a dry sandwich into the pan and found that the patron liked the result? Or was it conceived at Cole's, a rival downtown eatery, for a gent who had sore gums?

You can't go back in time to ask Philippe "Frenchy" Mathieu, the founder of Philippe's. But you can journey to that era, price-wise, on Monday when the North Alameda Street restaurant throws a centennial bash.

From 4 to 8 p.m., sandwiches (normally $5.35 to $6.50) will sell for 10 cents, and coffee (normally 9 cents) will be reduced to a nickel. (Tips of more than 20% for the servers might be in order this day.)

KCET-TV Channel 28 storyteller Huell Howser will emcee the show, Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa and other politicos will speechify, the USC band will march through, and Roger "the Peanut Man" Owens of Dodger Stadium will toss bags of goobers to hopefully attentive folks waiting in line.

Also on hand will be 64-year-old Philippe Guilhem of Alva, Okla., grandson of founder Mathieu. And he knows the story of the birth of the French dip from his namesake.

Guilhem, who was located several months ago through a chance meeting at an art gallery between his relatives and those of the current owners of Philippe's, tells it this way:

"One day a fireman complained that his roll was stale. It was probably a Monday and the roll was a leftover from the weekend. My grandfather was a thrifty person. He said, 'Give me the damn thing back.' He dipped it in the juices and said, 'You happy now?' "

The fireman was happy.

Added Guilhem with a laugh: "I'm sure the guy had already bitten into it when my grandfather grabbed it and dipped it in the juice. Real sanitary. But that was S.O.P. [standard operating procedure] back then."

It wasn't called a French dip right away, either. "People would just say, 'Put it in the sauce like Frenchy does,' " Guilhem said.

Stale rolls, of course, are no longer served. But tradition in other areas is important to Richard and John Binder, whose family purchased the restaurant from Mathieu in 1927. Hence the sawdust- covered floors, the painted menus, the ceiling fans, the old-fashioned setup of stools at long tables, the wooden telephone booths.

And you can still leave your credit cards at home.

Mathieu, being a Frenchman, would have no ketchup on the premises, and the Binders honored the ban in full until 1991, when Richard persuaded his brother John to set out bottles of the stuff in the morning.

"I like ketchup on my eggs," Richard explained without a trace of guilt. "But the ketchup disappears at 10:30 [a.m.]. We think it overwhelms the flavor of the meat."

Philippe's has all but given away coffee ever since it opened. It was a nickel as late as 1977 and skyrocketed to a dime in 1991. It was dropped to the present 9 cents a few years later when a state snack tax was passed. That way the full price is still only 10 cents.

Philippe's sells about 2,200 sandwiches a day on weekdays, 3,800 a day on weekends. (Lots of pickled pigs feet too, but you probably don't want to hear about that.)

Customers wait in lines that are sometimes 20 people deep, shuffling toward the counters. Regulars know a secret: One of the middle lines has less of a wait because it splits off into two shorter lines when it dead-ends at a pillar.

A first-time visitor often gives himself away when he attempts to pay the server directly. She will refuse the money, which must be placed in a red tray next to the food tray. The server then takes it to the cashier and returns with the change, never having touched the filthy lucre. (This sanitary measure was put into use after the less-fastidious Frenchy had sold out.)

Philippe's has been in its current digs up the street from Union Station since 1951, when its previous location on Aliso Street was flattened to make room for the Santa Ana Freeway.

During the demolition, an empty beer keg was found in a hollowed-out section of wall on the second floor. Turns out a room had been rented to a bootlegger, who was said to have moved to Spain with a $40,000 nest egg.

Of course, Mathieu was no teetotaler.

"He used to make his own wine during Prohibition," Guilhem said. "He told me city officials used to come by and pick up their bottles. He hinted he made a little brandy too."

The current building has a bit of racy history itself. Originally, it housed a machine shop on the first floor and a hotel on the second. The second floor (now a dining area) has numerous doorways, indicating that the rooms were very small. The place was in L.A.'s red-light district of the early 1900s.

"You hear stories," Richard Binder said.

The funny thing about the landmark restaurant is, here it is 100 years old, and its founder's French name is still being mispronounced. It's fuh-LEEP. But a lot of folks seem to think it is of Spanish origin and call it fuh-LEE-pay.

"That's the way I pronounce it," Richard Binder said with a laugh. "I guess it's because I never took French in school."

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kikibalt wrote:The story behind Philippe's and its famous French dip

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The well-known downtown L.A. eatery Philippe the Original will celebrate its 100th year in business on Oct. 6 by selling its French dipped sandwiches for a dime -- their price when they first appeared on the menu in 1918. Philippe's will also sell coffee for a nickel, half its regular price.

The Los Angeles landmark will celebrate its centennial Monday with dignitaries, the founder's grandson and slashed prices.
Steve Harvey, Only in L.A.

Philippe's, home of the French dip sandwich, turns 100 this year, and for much of the last century local historians and foodies have been arguing over one question: How was the dish created?

Was it the brainstorm of a customer who didn't want to see the juice in the roast pan go to waste? Was it an accident -- a server dropped a dry sandwich into the pan and found that the patron liked the result? Or was it conceived at Cole's, a rival downtown eatery, for a gent who had sore gums?

You can't go back in time to ask Philippe "Frenchy" Mathieu, the founder of Philippe's. But you can journey to that era, price-wise, on Monday when the North Alameda Street restaurant throws a centennial bash.

From 4 to 8 p.m., sandwiches (normally $5.35 to $6.50) will sell for 10 cents, and coffee (normally 9 cents) will be reduced to a nickel. (Tips of more than 20% for the servers might be in order this day.)

KCET-TV Channel 28 storyteller Huell Howser will emcee the show, Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa and other politicos will speechify, the USC band will march through, and Roger "the Peanut Man" Owens of Dodger Stadium will toss bags of goobers to hopefully attentive folks waiting in line.

Also on hand will be 64-year-old Philippe Guilhem of Alva, Okla., grandson of founder Mathieu. And he knows the story of the birth of the French dip from his namesake.

Guilhem, who was located several months ago through a chance meeting at an art gallery between his relatives and those of the current owners of Philippe's, tells it this way:

"One day a fireman complained that his roll was stale. It was probably a Monday and the roll was a leftover from the weekend. My grandfather was a thrifty person. He said, 'Give me the damn thing back.' He dipped it in the juices and said, 'You happy now?' "

The fireman was happy.

Added Guilhem with a laugh: "I'm sure the guy had already bitten into it when my grandfather grabbed it and dipped it in the juice. Real sanitary. But that was S.O.P. [standard operating procedure] back then."

It wasn't called a French dip right away, either. "People would just say, 'Put it in the sauce like Frenchy does,' " Guilhem said.

Stale rolls, of course, are no longer served. But tradition in other areas is important to Richard and John Binder, whose family purchased the restaurant from Mathieu in 1927. Hence the sawdust- covered floors, the painted menus, the ceiling fans, the old-fashioned setup of stools at long tables, the wooden telephone booths.

And you can still leave your credit cards at home.

Mathieu, being a Frenchman, would have no ketchup on the premises, and the Binders honored the ban in full until 1991, when Richard persuaded his brother John to set out bottles of the stuff in the morning.

"I like ketchup on my eggs," Richard explained without a trace of guilt. "But the ketchup disappears at 10:30 [a.m.]. We think it overwhelms the flavor of the meat."

Philippe's has all but given away coffee ever since it opened. It was a nickel as late as 1977 and skyrocketed to a dime in 1991. It was dropped to the present 9 cents a few years later when a state snack tax was passed. That way the full price is still only 10 cents.

Philippe's sells about 2,200 sandwiches a day on weekdays, 3,800 a day on weekends. (Lots of pickled pigs feet too, but you probably don't want to hear about that.)

Customers wait in lines that are sometimes 20 people deep, shuffling toward the counters. Regulars know a secret: One of the middle lines has less of a wait because it splits off into two shorter lines when it dead-ends at a pillar.

A first-time visitor often gives himself away when he attempts to pay the server directly. She will refuse the money, which must be placed in a red tray next to the food tray. The server then takes it to the cashier and returns with the change, never having touched the filthy lucre. (This sanitary measure was put into use after the less-fastidious Frenchy had sold out.)

Philippe's has been in its current digs up the street from Union Station since 1951, when its previous location on Aliso Street was flattened to make room for the Santa Ana Freeway.

During the demolition, an empty beer keg was found in a hollowed-out section of wall on the second floor. Turns out a room had been rented to a bootlegger, who was said to have moved to Spain with a $40,000 nest egg.

Of course, Mathieu was no teetotaler.

"He used to make his own wine during Prohibition," Guilhem said. "He told me city officials used to come by and pick up their bottles. He hinted he made a little brandy too."

The current building has a bit of racy history itself. Originally, it housed a machine shop on the first floor and a hotel on the second. The second floor (now a dining area) has numerous doorways, indicating that the rooms were very small. The place was in L.A.'s red-light district of the early 1900s.

"You hear stories," Richard Binder said.

The funny thing about the landmark restaurant is, here it is 100 years old, and its founder's French name is still being mispronounced. It's fuh-LEEP. But a lot of folks seem to think it is of Spanish origin and call it fuh-LEE-pay.

"That's the way I pronounce it," Richard Binder said with a laugh. "I guess it's because I never took French in school."

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Frank, I have been going to Phillippe's my whole life. There is always a crowd and a long line at almost any time of the day. I usually get a pork and a beef dip and a cold beer, sit in the booth and slather on their hot mustard (really good stuff). I'm might have to visit Phillippe's soon. It's been a while.
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kikibalt wrote:
Randyman wrote:
Dongee wrote:Yeah, Rick:

Those were my single days which coincided with the Big Band Days. Our little clique didn't go much for the Aragon because it ws a bit of a distance to travel from the neighborhhood and they didn't have many of the top bands..... the Dorseys, Goodman, Kenton, James, etc. Our rounds consisted of hitting the Trianon, in South Gate; the Palladium, Hollywood, the Casa Manana in Culver City and one that didn't last long called the Avodon, located in downtown, at Ninth and Spring, more or less at the back of the Orpheum Theatre, which was on Broadway. Spring and Main streets used to come together more or less at the Avodon Ballroom.

I wasn't one of them, but I used to follow a group of contest dancers, in fact, my buddy Alex Endemano, whom I taught his first dance steps, wound up paying for his dancing partner wife"s wedding trouseau with money they had won dancing contest.

On Saturday afternoon we would take over Earl Carroll's in Hollywood for a session called Pigskin Jamboree, where sportscaster Tom Hanlon (not Harmon) would announce the various football scores in between dance numbers played by the house band, which was led by Manny Strand. The management knew all of us, so we had no trouble getting in for matinee prices (only soft drinks were served)

We kinda wore out our welcome when we started a conga chain one day. It went out one door and back in the other to the Latin beat of the Conga. The upshot was that the chain became twice as long coming back into the place with all the freeloaders waiting outside to latch on to our chain and joining the fun without having to pay admission!

The jewel of the dance hall venues was located on Vermont, where I believe a huge Ralph's Market is now (near Melrose) It was the Palomar Ballroom. I think Benny Goodman's band was playing there when it burned down one night in 1935.

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Hap, thanks a million for mentioning the Avodon Ballroom. My father sang there with many of the big bands that played there. Lots of celebrities would show up there. it was pretty popular during it's time. My father talked about those days all the time. He had great memories of the Avodon. I never knew where it was located, so thanks for posting. My father took my mother there for their first date. I have a picture from that night that I would like to post. It's from January 1947. He was 22 and she was 17. It's my favorite photo of my parents. I can't seem to post photos correctly on this forum, for some reason, but if Frank doesn't mind posting the pic for me, I'll send it to him.

Randy
Send it Randy.
I sent it Frank :box:
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Did not get it Randy. look at your PM.
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kikibalt wrote:Did not get it Randy. look at your PM.
I didn't get a PM either. I'll resend it.
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kikibalt wrote:The story behind Philippe's and its famous French dip

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Genaro Molina / Los Angeles Times
The well-known downtown L.A. eatery Philippe the Original will celebrate its 100th year in business on Oct. 6 by selling its French dipped sandwiches for a dime -- their price when they first appeared on the menu in 1918. Philippe's will also sell coffee for a nickel, half its regular price.

The Los Angeles landmark will celebrate its centennial Monday with dignitaries, the founder's grandson and slashed prices.
Steve Harvey, Only in L.A.

Philippe's, home of the French dip sandwich, turns 100 this year, and for much of the last century local historians and foodies have been arguing over one question: How was the dish created?

Was it the brainstorm of a customer who didn't want to see the juice in the roast pan go to waste? Was it an accident -- a server dropped a dry sandwich into the pan and found that the patron liked the result? Or was it conceived at Cole's, a rival downtown eatery, for a gent who had sore gums?

You can't go back in time to ask Philippe "Frenchy" Mathieu, the founder of Philippe's. But you can journey to that era, price-wise, on Monday when the North Alameda Street restaurant throws a centennial bash.

From 4 to 8 p.m., sandwiches (normally $5.35 to $6.50) will sell for 10 cents, and coffee (normally 9 cents) will be reduced to a nickel. (Tips of more than 20% for the servers might be in order this day.)

KCET-TV Channel 28 storyteller Huell Howser will emcee the show, Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa and other politicos will speechify, the USC band will march through, and Roger "the Peanut Man" Owens of Dodger Stadium will toss bags of goobers to hopefully attentive folks waiting in line.

Also on hand will be 64-year-old Philippe Guilhem of Alva, Okla., grandson of founder Mathieu. And he knows the story of the birth of the French dip from his namesake.

Guilhem, who was located several months ago through a chance meeting at an art gallery between his relatives and those of the current owners of Philippe's, tells it this way:

"One day a fireman complained that his roll was stale. It was probably a Monday and the roll was a leftover from the weekend. My grandfather was a thrifty person. He said, 'Give me the damn thing back.' He dipped it in the juices and said, 'You happy now?' "

The fireman was happy.

Added Guilhem with a laugh: "I'm sure the guy had already bitten into it when my grandfather grabbed it and dipped it in the juice. Real sanitary. But that was S.O.P. [standard operating procedure] back then."

It wasn't called a French dip right away, either. "People would just say, 'Put it in the sauce like Frenchy does,' " Guilhem said.

Stale rolls, of course, are no longer served. But tradition in other areas is important to Richard and John Binder, whose family purchased the restaurant from Mathieu in 1927. Hence the sawdust- covered floors, the painted menus, the ceiling fans, the old-fashioned setup of stools at long tables, the wooden telephone booths.

And you can still leave your credit cards at home.

Mathieu, being a Frenchman, would have no ketchup on the premises, and the Binders honored the ban in full until 1991, when Richard persuaded his brother John to set out bottles of the stuff in the morning.

"I like ketchup on my eggs," Richard explained without a trace of guilt. "But the ketchup disappears at 10:30 [a.m.]. We think it overwhelms the flavor of the meat."

Philippe's has all but given away coffee ever since it opened. It was a nickel as late as 1977 and skyrocketed to a dime in 1991. It was dropped to the present 9 cents a few years later when a state snack tax was passed. That way the full price is still only 10 cents.

Philippe's sells about 2,200 sandwiches a day on weekdays, 3,800 a day on weekends. (Lots of pickled pigs feet too, but you probably don't want to hear about that.)

Customers wait in lines that are sometimes 20 people deep, shuffling toward the counters. Regulars know a secret: One of the middle lines has less of a wait because it splits off into two shorter lines when it dead-ends at a pillar.

A first-time visitor often gives himself away when he attempts to pay the server directly. She will refuse the money, which must be placed in a red tray next to the food tray. The server then takes it to the cashier and returns with the change, never having touched the filthy lucre. (This sanitary measure was put into use after the less-fastidious Frenchy had sold out.)

Philippe's has been in its current digs up the street from Union Station since 1951, when its previous location on Aliso Street was flattened to make room for the Santa Ana Freeway.

During the demolition, an empty beer keg was found in a hollowed-out section of wall on the second floor. Turns out a room had been rented to a bootlegger, who was said to have moved to Spain with a $40,000 nest egg.

Of course, Mathieu was no teetotaler.

"He used to make his own wine during Prohibition," Guilhem said. "He told me city officials used to come by and pick up their bottles. He hinted he made a little brandy too."

The current building has a bit of racy history itself. Originally, it housed a machine shop on the first floor and a hotel on the second. The second floor (now a dining area) has numerous doorways, indicating that the rooms were very small. The place was in L.A.'s red-light district of the early 1900s.

"You hear stories," Richard Binder said.

The funny thing about the landmark restaurant is, here it is 100 years old, and its founder's French name is still being mispronounced. It's fuh-LEEP. But a lot of folks seem to think it is of Spanish origin and call it fuh-LEE-pay.

"That's the way I pronounce it," Richard Binder said with a laugh. "I guess it's because I never took French in school."

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Frank, I have been going to Phillippe's my whole life. There is always a crowd and a long line at almost any time of the day. I usually get a pork and a beef dip and a cold beer, sit in the booth and slather on their hot mustard (really good stuff). I'm might have to visit Phillippe's soon. It's been a while.
Randy, can you believe that I never have been there.
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Still didn't get it.

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Photo and caption by Randy

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my parents, Andy De La O & Anita Osuna at the Avodon Ballroom in downtown L.A. January 1947. My father was 22, my mother was 17.

Thanks Randy
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Frank,Randy,Rick
What's the name of that famous Jewish Deli in LA.? I ate there once. Greatest Pastrami sandwich I ever had. I think it's in Hollywood. Help me out. Rog
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kikibalt wrote:Photo and caption by Randy

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my parents, Andy De La O & Anita Osuna at the Avodon Ballroom in downtown L.A. January 1947. My father was 22, my mother was 17.

Thanks Randy
Another film noir snapshot of Los Angeles.
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kikibalt wrote:The story behind Philippe's and its famous French dip

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Genaro Molina / Los Angeles Times
The well-known downtown L.A. eatery Philippe the Original will celebrate its 100th year in business on Oct. 6 by selling its French dipped sandwiches for a dime -- their price when they first appeared on the menu in 1918. Philippe's will also sell coffee for a nickel, half its regular price.

The Los Angeles landmark will celebrate its centennial Monday with dignitaries, the founder's grandson and slashed prices.
Steve Harvey, Only in L.A.

Philippe's, home of the French dip sandwich, turns 100 this year, and for much of the last century local historians and foodies have been arguing over one question: How was the dish created?

Was it the brainstorm of a customer who didn't want to see the juice in the roast pan go to waste? Was it an accident -- a server dropped a dry sandwich into the pan and found that the patron liked the result? Or was it conceived at Cole's, a rival downtown eatery, for a gent who had sore gums?

You can't go back in time to ask Philippe "Frenchy" Mathieu, the founder of Philippe's. But you can journey to that era, price-wise, on Monday when the North Alameda Street restaurant throws a centennial bash.

From 4 to 8 p.m., sandwiches (normally $5.35 to $6.50) will sell for 10 cents, and coffee (normally 9 cents) will be reduced to a nickel. (Tips of more than 20% for the servers might be in order this day.)

KCET-TV Channel 28 storyteller Huell Howser will emcee the show, Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa and other politicos will speechify, the USC band will march through, and Roger "the Peanut Man" Owens of Dodger Stadium will toss bags of goobers to hopefully attentive folks waiting in line.

Also on hand will be 64-year-old Philippe Guilhem of Alva, Okla., grandson of founder Mathieu. And he knows the story of the birth of the French dip from his namesake.

Guilhem, who was located several months ago through a chance meeting at an art gallery between his relatives and those of the current owners of Philippe's, tells it this way:

"One day a fireman complained that his roll was stale. It was probably a Monday and the roll was a leftover from the weekend. My grandfather was a thrifty person. He said, 'Give me the damn thing back.' He dipped it in the juices and said, 'You happy now?' "

The fireman was happy.

Added Guilhem with a laugh: "I'm sure the guy had already bitten into it when my grandfather grabbed it and dipped it in the juice. Real sanitary. But that was S.O.P. [standard operating procedure] back then."

It wasn't called a French dip right away, either. "People would just say, 'Put it in the sauce like Frenchy does,' " Guilhem said.

Stale rolls, of course, are no longer served. But tradition in other areas is important to Richard and John Binder, whose family purchased the restaurant from Mathieu in 1927. Hence the sawdust- covered floors, the painted menus, the ceiling fans, the old-fashioned setup of stools at long tables, the wooden telephone booths.

And you can still leave your credit cards at home.

Mathieu, being a Frenchman, would have no ketchup on the premises, and the Binders honored the ban in full until 1991, when Richard persuaded his brother John to set out bottles of the stuff in the morning.

"I like ketchup on my eggs," Richard explained without a trace of guilt. "But the ketchup disappears at 10:30 [a.m.]. We think it overwhelms the flavor of the meat."

Philippe's has all but given away coffee ever since it opened. It was a nickel as late as 1977 and skyrocketed to a dime in 1991. It was dropped to the present 9 cents a few years later when a state snack tax was passed. That way the full price is still only 10 cents.

Philippe's sells about 2,200 sandwiches a day on weekdays, 3,800 a day on weekends. (Lots of pickled pigs feet too, but you probably don't want to hear about that.)

Customers wait in lines that are sometimes 20 people deep, shuffling toward the counters. Regulars know a secret: One of the middle lines has less of a wait because it splits off into two shorter lines when it dead-ends at a pillar.

A first-time visitor often gives himself away when he attempts to pay the server directly. She will refuse the money, which must be placed in a red tray next to the food tray. The server then takes it to the cashier and returns with the change, never having touched the filthy lucre. (This sanitary measure was put into use after the less-fastidious Frenchy had sold out.)

Philippe's has been in its current digs up the street from Union Station since 1951, when its previous location on Aliso Street was flattened to make room for the Santa Ana Freeway.

During the demolition, an empty beer keg was found in a hollowed-out section of wall on the second floor. Turns out a room had been rented to a bootlegger, who was said to have moved to Spain with a $40,000 nest egg.

Of course, Mathieu was no teetotaler.

"He used to make his own wine during Prohibition," Guilhem said. "He told me city officials used to come by and pick up their bottles. He hinted he made a little brandy too."

The current building has a bit of racy history itself. Originally, it housed a machine shop on the first floor and a hotel on the second. The second floor (now a dining area) has numerous doorways, indicating that the rooms were very small. The place was in L.A.'s red-light district of the early 1900s.

"You hear stories," Richard Binder said.

The funny thing about the landmark restaurant is, here it is 100 years old, and its founder's French name is still being mispronounced. It's fuh-LEEP. But a lot of folks seem to think it is of Spanish origin and call it fuh-LEE-pay.

"That's the way I pronounce it," Richard Binder said with a laugh. "I guess it's because I never took French in school."

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Genaro Molina knows how to write a story. Great time piece.
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kikibalt wrote:Photo and caption by Randy

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my parents, Andy De La O & Anita Osuna at the Avodon Ballroom in downtown L.A. January 1947. My father was 22, my mother was 17.

Thanks Randy
This is my personal favorite photo of my parents. It has become their signature photo in a way. It was taken on their first date at the Avodon Ballroom. My father was crazy in love with my mother. That night he got up on stage and sang "Embraceable You" to my mother. My mother still talks about that night. Years later when my father lost his voice, he would still sing, to all of us. It was off key but we still loved hearing him. My father passed away in 1981, he was 57. my mother will be 80 on her next birthday on May2, 2009.
Thanks you Frank for posting the photo and thank you Hap, for mentioning the Avodon.
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dagosd2000 wrote:
kikibalt wrote:The story behind Philippe's and its famous French dip

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Genaro Molina / Los Angeles Times
The well-known downtown L.A. eatery Philippe the Original will celebrate its 100th year in business on Oct. 6 by selling its French dipped sandwiches for a dime -- their price when they first appeared on the menu in 1918. Philippe's will also sell coffee for a nickel, half its regular price.

The Los Angeles landmark will celebrate its centennial Monday with dignitaries, the founder's grandson and slashed prices.
Steve Harvey, Only in L.A.

Philippe's, home of the French dip sandwich, turns 100 this year, and for much of the last century local historians and foodies have been arguing over one question: How was the dish created?

Was it the brainstorm of a customer who didn't want to see the juice in the roast pan go to waste? Was it an accident -- a server dropped a dry sandwich into the pan and found that the patron liked the result? Or was it conceived at Cole's, a rival downtown eatery, for a gent who had sore gums?

You can't go back in time to ask Philippe "Frenchy" Mathieu, the founder of Philippe's. But you can journey to that era, price-wise, on Monday when the North Alameda Street restaurant throws a centennial bash.

From 4 to 8 p.m., sandwiches (normally $5.35 to $6.50) will sell for 10 cents, and coffee (normally 9 cents) will be reduced to a nickel. (Tips of more than 20% for the servers might be in order this day.)

KCET-TV Channel 28 storyteller Huell Howser will emcee the show, Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa and other politicos will speechify, the USC band will march through, and Roger "the Peanut Man" Owens of Dodger Stadium will toss bags of goobers to hopefully attentive folks waiting in line.

Also on hand will be 64-year-old Philippe Guilhem of Alva, Okla., grandson of founder Mathieu. And he knows the story of the birth of the French dip from his namesake.

Guilhem, who was located several months ago through a chance meeting at an art gallery between his relatives and those of the current owners of Philippe's, tells it this way:

"One day a fireman complained that his roll was stale. It was probably a Monday and the roll was a leftover from the weekend. My grandfather was a thrifty person. He said, 'Give me the damn thing back.' He dipped it in the juices and said, 'You happy now?' "

The fireman was happy.

Added Guilhem with a laugh: "I'm sure the guy had already bitten into it when my grandfather grabbed it and dipped it in the juice. Real sanitary. But that was S.O.P. [standard operating procedure] back then."

It wasn't called a French dip right away, either. "People would just say, 'Put it in the sauce like Frenchy does,' " Guilhem said.

Stale rolls, of course, are no longer served. But tradition in other areas is important to Richard and John Binder, whose family purchased the restaurant from Mathieu in 1927. Hence the sawdust- covered floors, the painted menus, the ceiling fans, the old-fashioned setup of stools at long tables, the wooden telephone booths.

And you can still leave your credit cards at home.

Mathieu, being a Frenchman, would have no ketchup on the premises, and the Binders honored the ban in full until 1991, when Richard persuaded his brother John to set out bottles of the stuff in the morning.

"I like ketchup on my eggs," Richard explained without a trace of guilt. "But the ketchup disappears at 10:30 [a.m.]. We think it overwhelms the flavor of the meat."

Philippe's has all but given away coffee ever since it opened. It was a nickel as late as 1977 and skyrocketed to a dime in 1991. It was dropped to the present 9 cents a few years later when a state snack tax was passed. That way the full price is still only 10 cents.

Philippe's sells about 2,200 sandwiches a day on weekdays, 3,800 a day on weekends. (Lots of pickled pigs feet too, but you probably don't want to hear about that.)

Customers wait in lines that are sometimes 20 people deep, shuffling toward the counters. Regulars know a secret: One of the middle lines has less of a wait because it splits off into two shorter lines when it dead-ends at a pillar.

A first-time visitor often gives himself away when he attempts to pay the server directly. She will refuse the money, which must be placed in a red tray next to the food tray. The server then takes it to the cashier and returns with the change, never having touched the filthy lucre. (This sanitary measure was put into use after the less-fastidious Frenchy had sold out.)

Philippe's has been in its current digs up the street from Union Station since 1951, when its previous location on Aliso Street was flattened to make room for the Santa Ana Freeway.

During the demolition, an empty beer keg was found in a hollowed-out section of wall on the second floor. Turns out a room had been rented to a bootlegger, who was said to have moved to Spain with a $40,000 nest egg.

Of course, Mathieu was no teetotaler.

"He used to make his own wine during Prohibition," Guilhem said. "He told me city officials used to come by and pick up their bottles. He hinted he made a little brandy too."

The current building has a bit of racy history itself. Originally, it housed a machine shop on the first floor and a hotel on the second. The second floor (now a dining area) has numerous doorways, indicating that the rooms were very small. The place was in L.A.'s red-light district of the early 1900s.

"You hear stories," Richard Binder said.

The funny thing about the landmark restaurant is, here it is 100 years old, and its founder's French name is still being mispronounced. It's fuh-LEEP. But a lot of folks seem to think it is of Spanish origin and call it fuh-LEE-pay.

"That's the way I pronounce it," Richard Binder said with a laugh. "I guess it's because I never took French in school."

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Genaro Molina knows how to write a story. Great time piece.
Steve Harvey wrote it not Molina.... :oo :shame:
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dagosd2000 wrote:Frank,Randy,Rick
What's the name of that famous Jewish Deli in LA.? I ate there once. Greatest Pastrami sandwich I ever had. I think it's in Hollywood. Help me out. Rog
Rog, you must be thinking of Cantor's on Fairfax, near the Farmer's Market. The pastrami is great and so is the corned beef on rye.

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Randyman wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:Frank,Randy,Rick
What's the name of that famous Jewish Deli in LA.? I ate there once. Greatest Pastrami sandwich I ever had. I think it's in Hollywood. Help me out. Rog
Rog, you must be thinking of Cantor's on Fairfax, near the Farmer's Market. The pastrami is great and so is the corned beef on rye.

Randy


That one I been a few times, I told everybody there I was Jewish, I said my name was Frank Balthazar or Baltizar.... :roll:
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Guys, my sister that is sick, is in town from Napa visiting the family, we're having brunch today. Three months ago her doctor told her that she had two months to live, well she is still with us,
though her cancer numbers are not good, she looks good and gets around pretty good.
I'll be shooting some pics. and if you guys don't mind, I'll post some here.
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kikibalt wrote:
Randyman wrote:
kikibalt wrote:The story behind Philippe's and its famous French dip

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The well-known downtown L.A. eatery Philippe the Original will celebrate its 100th year in business on Oct. 6 by selling its French dipped sandwiches for a dime -- their price when they first appeared on the menu in 1918. Philippe's will also sell coffee for a nickel, half its regular price.

The Los Angeles landmark will celebrate its centennial Monday with dignitaries, the founder's grandson and slashed prices.
Steve Harvey, Only in L.A.

Philippe's, home of the French dip sandwich, turns 100 this year, and for much of the last century local historians and foodies have been arguing over one question: How was the dish created?

Was it the brainstorm of a customer who didn't want to see the juice in the roast pan go to waste? Was it an accident -- a server dropped a dry sandwich into the pan and found that the patron liked the result? Or was it conceived at Cole's, a rival downtown eatery, for a gent who had sore gums?

You can't go back in time to ask Philippe "Frenchy" Mathieu, the founder of Philippe's. But you can journey to that era, price-wise, on Monday when the North Alameda Street restaurant throws a centennial bash.

From 4 to 8 p.m., sandwiches (normally $5.35 to $6.50) will sell for 10 cents, and coffee (normally 9 cents) will be reduced to a nickel. (Tips of more than 20% for the servers might be in order this day.)

KCET-TV Channel 28 storyteller Huell Howser will emcee the show, Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa and other politicos will speechify, the USC band will march through, and Roger "the Peanut Man" Owens of Dodger Stadium will toss bags of goobers to hopefully attentive folks waiting in line.

Also on hand will be 64-year-old Philippe Guilhem of Alva, Okla., grandson of founder Mathieu. And he knows the story of the birth of the French dip from his namesake.

Guilhem, who was located several months ago through a chance meeting at an art gallery between his relatives and those of the current owners of Philippe's, tells it this way:

"One day a fireman complained that his roll was stale. It was probably a Monday and the roll was a leftover from the weekend. My grandfather was a thrifty person. He said, 'Give me the damn thing back.' He dipped it in the juices and said, 'You happy now?' "

The fireman was happy.

Added Guilhem with a laugh: "I'm sure the guy had already bitten into it when my grandfather grabbed it and dipped it in the juice. Real sanitary. But that was S.O.P. [standard operating procedure] back then."

It wasn't called a French dip right away, either. "People would just say, 'Put it in the sauce like Frenchy does,' " Guilhem said.

Stale rolls, of course, are no longer served. But tradition in other areas is important to Richard and John Binder, whose family purchased the restaurant from Mathieu in 1927. Hence the sawdust- covered floors, the painted menus, the ceiling fans, the old-fashioned setup of stools at long tables, the wooden telephone booths.

And you can still leave your credit cards at home.

Mathieu, being a Frenchman, would have no ketchup on the premises, and the Binders honored the ban in full until 1991, when Richard persuaded his brother John to set out bottles of the stuff in the morning.

"I like ketchup on my eggs," Richard explained without a trace of guilt. "But the ketchup disappears at 10:30 [a.m.]. We think it overwhelms the flavor of the meat."

Philippe's has all but given away coffee ever since it opened. It was a nickel as late as 1977 and skyrocketed to a dime in 1991. It was dropped to the present 9 cents a few years later when a state snack tax was passed. That way the full price is still only 10 cents.

Philippe's sells about 2,200 sandwiches a day on weekdays, 3,800 a day on weekends. (Lots of pickled pigs feet too, but you probably don't want to hear about that.)

Customers wait in lines that are sometimes 20 people deep, shuffling toward the counters. Regulars know a secret: One of the middle lines has less of a wait because it splits off into two shorter lines when it dead-ends at a pillar.

A first-time visitor often gives himself away when he attempts to pay the server directly. She will refuse the money, which must be placed in a red tray next to the food tray. The server then takes it to the cashier and returns with the change, never having touched the filthy lucre. (This sanitary measure was put into use after the less-fastidious Frenchy had sold out.)

Philippe's has been in its current digs up the street from Union Station since 1951, when its previous location on Aliso Street was flattened to make room for the Santa Ana Freeway.

During the demolition, an empty beer keg was found in a hollowed-out section of wall on the second floor. Turns out a room had been rented to a bootlegger, who was said to have moved to Spain with a $40,000 nest egg.

Of course, Mathieu was no teetotaler.

"He used to make his own wine during Prohibition," Guilhem said. "He told me city officials used to come by and pick up their bottles. He hinted he made a little brandy too."

The current building has a bit of racy history itself. Originally, it housed a machine shop on the first floor and a hotel on the second. The second floor (now a dining area) has numerous doorways, indicating that the rooms were very small. The place was in L.A.'s red-light district of the early 1900s.

"You hear stories," Richard Binder said.

The funny thing about the landmark restaurant is, here it is 100 years old, and its founder's French name is still being mispronounced. It's fuh-LEEP. But a lot of folks seem to think it is of Spanish origin and call it fuh-LEE-pay.

"That's the way I pronounce it," Richard Binder said with a laugh. "I guess it's because I never took French in school."

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Frank, I have been going to Phillippe's my whole life. There is always a crowd and a long line at almost any time of the day. I usually get a pork and a beef dip and a cold beer, sit in the booth and slather on their hot mustard (really good stuff). I'm might have to visit Phillippe's soon. It's been a while.
Randy, can you believe that I never have been there.
Frank, one of these day's I'm going to have to take you there for a sandwich but before we do we'll stop at Crony's for a cheeseburger just to whet our appetites, on the way back we'll stop at the Del Rae on Washington Bl. in Pico Rivera for desert, a New York steak. The Del Rae was voted as one of the top five steakhouses in Southern California. Just by coincidence one of the other top steakhouse is also in Pico Rivera, Steak and Stein. As you can tell Frank, I love eating at restaurants. For that matter I love home cooking too. Let's just cut to the chase. I love eating!

By the way Frank, have you been to "Nick's Taste of Texas" on on Citrus ave in Covina?
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kikibalt wrote:Guys, my sister that is sick, is in town from Napa visiting the family, we're having brunch today. Three months ago her doctor told her that she had two months to live, well she is still with us,
though her cancer numbers are not good, she looks good and gets around pretty good.
I'll be shooting some pics. and if you guys don't mind, I'll post some here.
Post them Frank! Let your sister know that the guys on West Coast Boxing are praying for her!!

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Randyman wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:Frank,Randy,Rick
What's the name of that famous Jewish Deli in LA.? I ate there once. Greatest Pastrami sandwich I ever had. I think it's in Hollywood. Help me out. Rog
Rog, you must be thinking of Cantor's on Fairfax, near the Farmer's Market. The pastrami is great and so is the corned beef on rye.

Randy
You got it right as usual. thanks Rog
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Randyman wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Guys, my sister that is sick, is in town from Napa visiting the family, we're having brunch today. Three months ago her doctor told her that she had two months to live, well she is still with us,
though her cancer numbers are not good, she looks good and gets around pretty good.
I'll be shooting some pics. and if you guys don't mind, I'll post some here.
Post them Frank! Let your sister know that the guys on West Coast Boxing are praying for her!!

Randy
I'm with Randy and the rest of the guys. The doctors gave my mother 2 months to live after her heart attack. She went on another 19 years! Family is something those docs don't factor when they make their prognosis. Let her play with Chata and the grandkids. They heve a healing affect. Diego
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Meeting the guys at the coffee shop...
I read this thread every day, more than once, more than twice, from work and from home, but Sunday morning is the day I meet the guys at the coffee shop. I go down to the coffee shop, pick up my wife's mocha and my large coffee, come home, give my wife her mocha and tell her I'm going to "meet the guys at the coffee shop"; she knows what I mean it's logging on to this thread, reviewing everything that has been posted in the past week and anything new. Frank's pictures from everything from boxing to farm working to old cars, Rick's "do you remember when" stories, dagos stories from school, the mob, Tijuana and maybe a new painting he just finished and so much more. You guys are the guys at the coffee shop; it's the best personal time of the week for me, a few minutes away from work, away from the family, away from the daily grind.

This week all of the great pictures and stories about James J. Jeffries, the stories about the old ball rooms, and the Philippe and the beautiful pictures everyone shares of their families and their past. Just like we are all sitting around at a great old coffee shop, drinking our coffee and talking about all of this. Today Randy brought a picture of his parents on their first date, he didn't really have to tell us that his dad was madly in love with his mom, we could see it in his face; just look at her who wouldn't be!

Now Hap has joined us and when he speaks we all lean forward in our chairs so we don't miss a word he says, Frank updates us about a visit from his sister, we all know how sick she is and we nod and keep our fingers crossed that she gets better and we know Frank is hurting inside. The running from the bull while fishing story helps break up the sadness. We are connected by one common link and that is the love for boxing but we have so much more in common...you either get that or you don't...we do.

Well guys I gotta get going, gonna stop at a little car show on the way home, and go into the City this afternoon to watch the Niners game with my father...have a great day, see ya next week.

Bobbin & Weavin
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Randyman wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Guys, my sister that is sick, is in town from Napa visiting the family, we're having brunch today. Three months ago her doctor told her that she had two months to live, well she is still with us,
though her cancer numbers are not good, she looks good and gets around pretty good.
I'll be shooting some pics. and if you guys don't mind, I'll post some here.
Post them Frank! Let your sister know that the guys on West Coast Boxing are praying for her!!

Randy
Shes in the Higgins familiy prayers .
I will light a candle for her at Church.
On my way to work today I will stop at St Stanislaus Kostka.
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Bobbin & Weavin wrote:Meeting the guys at the coffee shop...
I read this thread every day, more than once, more than twice, from work and from home, but Sunday morning is the day I meet the guys at the coffee shop. I go down to the coffee shop, pick up my wife's mocha and my large coffee, come home, give my wife her mocha and tell her I'm going to "meet the guys at the coffee shop"; she knows what I mean it's logging on to this thread, reviewing everything that has been posted in the past week and anything new. Frank's pictures from everything from boxing to farm working to old cars, Rick's "do you remember when" stories, dagos stories from school, the mob, Tijuana and maybe a new painting he just finished and so much more. You guys are the guys at the coffee shop; it's the best personal time of the week for me, a few minutes away from work, away from the family, away from the daily grind.

This week all of the great pictures and stories about James J. Jeffries, the stories about the old ball rooms, and the Philippe and the beautiful pictures everyone shares of their families and their past. Just like we are all sitting around at a great old coffee shop, drinking our coffee and talking about all of this. Today Randy brought a picture of his parents on their first date, he didn't really have to tell us that his dad was madly in love with his mom, we could see it in his face; just look at her who wouldn't be!

Now Hap has joined us and when he speaks we all lean forward in our chairs so we don't miss a word he says, Frank updates us about a visit from his sister, we all know how sick she is and we nod and keep our fingers crossed that she gets better and we know Frank is hurting inside. The running from the bull while fishing story helps break up the sadness. We are connected by one common link and that is the love for boxing but we have so much more in common...you either get that or you don't...we do.

Well guys I gotta get going, gonna stop at a little car show on the way home, and go into the City this afternoon to watch the Niners game with my father...have a great day, see ya next week.

Bobbin & Weavin
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Great post B and W.
It is like the guys at the coffee shop isnt it?
Or..maybe a Cantina too. :wink:
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bennie wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Bennie & Randy

My grandma & grandpa used to have cows that my grandma used to milk, my cousin Robert and I would take'em out to pasture, close by the grazing land were some railroad tracks and the cows would some times stand in the middle of the tracks and we would have a hard time to get'em to move, so, some times one would get kill by a train and the whole barrio would come out to get some free steaks.... :oo
This was all C..1948
My Irish grandpa - another Uncle John - lived in County Cork. He had no land but would buy and sell the odd horse and just stick the horse in somebody else's field to graze. Naturally, the landowner would take serious offence to this but would rarely confront Uncle John, it was Uncle John's poor wife who took the flak. She then had to shift the horse and march it to Uncle John's forge (he was a blacksmith), and Uncle John would simply stick the horse in a different field and the whole thing would start over again. It got to the point where the poor horse would see my gran coming into the field - and literally attack her. The horse knew it was going to be taken out of the field and denied its supper.

I love these posts, too much boxing spoils the soup. :TU:

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kikibalt wrote:The story behind Philippe's and its famous French dip

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Genaro Molina / Los Angeles Times
The well-known downtown L.A. eatery Philippe the Original will celebrate its 100th year in business on Oct. 6 by selling its French dipped sandwiches for a dime -- their price when they first appeared on the menu in 1918. Philippe's will also sell coffee for a nickel, half its regular price.

The Los Angeles landmark will celebrate its centennial Monday with dignitaries, the founder's grandson and slashed prices.
Steve Harvey, Only in L.A.

Philippe's, home of the French dip sandwich, turns 100 this year, and for much of the last century local historians and foodies have been arguing over one question: How was the dish created?

Was it the brainstorm of a customer who didn't want to see the juice in the roast pan go to waste? Was it an accident -- a server dropped a dry sandwich into the pan and found that the patron liked the result? Or was it conceived at Cole's, a rival downtown eatery, for a gent who had sore gums?

You can't go back in time to ask Philippe "Frenchy" Mathieu, the founder of Philippe's. But you can journey to that era, price-wise, on Monday when the North Alameda Street restaurant throws a centennial bash.

From 4 to 8 p.m., sandwiches (normally $5.35 to $6.50) will sell for 10 cents, and coffee (normally 9 cents) will be reduced to a nickel. (Tips of more than 20% for the servers might be in order this day.)

KCET-TV Channel 28 storyteller Huell Howser will emcee the show, Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa and other politicos will speechify, the USC band will march through, and Roger "the Peanut Man" Owens of Dodger Stadium will toss bags of goobers to hopefully attentive folks waiting in line.

Also on hand will be 64-year-old Philippe Guilhem of Alva, Okla., grandson of founder Mathieu. And he knows the story of the birth of the French dip from his namesake.

Guilhem, who was located several months ago through a chance meeting at an art gallery between his relatives and those of the current owners of Philippe's, tells it this way:

"One day a fireman complained that his roll was stale. It was probably a Monday and the roll was a leftover from the weekend. My grandfather was a thrifty person. He said, 'Give me the damn thing back.' He dipped it in the juices and said, 'You happy now?' "

The fireman was happy.

Added Guilhem with a laugh: "I'm sure the guy had already bitten into it when my grandfather grabbed it and dipped it in the juice. Real sanitary. But that was S.O.P. [standard operating procedure] back then."

It wasn't called a French dip right away, either. "People would just say, 'Put it in the sauce like Frenchy does,' " Guilhem said.

Stale rolls, of course, are no longer served. But tradition in other areas is important to Richard and John Binder, whose family purchased the restaurant from Mathieu in 1927. Hence the sawdust- covered floors, the painted menus, the ceiling fans, the old-fashioned setup of stools at long tables, the wooden telephone booths.

And you can still leave your credit cards at home.

Mathieu, being a Frenchman, would have no ketchup on the premises, and the Binders honored the ban in full until 1991, when Richard persuaded his brother John to set out bottles of the stuff in the morning.

"I like ketchup on my eggs," Richard explained without a trace of guilt. "But the ketchup disappears at 10:30 [a.m.]. We think it overwhelms the flavor of the meat."

Philippe's has all but given away coffee ever since it opened. It was a nickel as late as 1977 and skyrocketed to a dime in 1991. It was dropped to the present 9 cents a few years later when a state snack tax was passed. That way the full price is still only 10 cents.

Philippe's sells about 2,200 sandwiches a day on weekdays, 3,800 a day on weekends. (Lots of pickled pigs feet too, but you probably don't want to hear about that.)

Customers wait in lines that are sometimes 20 people deep, shuffling toward the counters. Regulars know a secret: One of the middle lines has less of a wait because it splits off into two shorter lines when it dead-ends at a pillar.

A first-time visitor often gives himself away when he attempts to pay the server directly. She will refuse the money, which must be placed in a red tray next to the food tray. The server then takes it to the cashier and returns with the change, never having touched the filthy lucre. (This sanitary measure was put into use after the less-fastidious Frenchy had sold out.)

Philippe's has been in its current digs up the street from Union Station since 1951, when its previous location on Aliso Street was flattened to make room for the Santa Ana Freeway.

During the demolition, an empty beer keg was found in a hollowed-out section of wall on the second floor. Turns out a room had been rented to a bootlegger, who was said to have moved to Spain with a $40,000 nest egg.

Of course, Mathieu was no teetotaler.

"He used to make his own wine during Prohibition," Guilhem said. "He told me city officials used to come by and pick up their bottles. He hinted he made a little brandy too."

The current building has a bit of racy history itself. Originally, it housed a machine shop on the first floor and a hotel on the second. The second floor (now a dining area) has numerous doorways, indicating that the rooms were very small. The place was in L.A.'s red-light district of the early 1900s.

"You hear stories," Richard Binder said.

The funny thing about the landmark restaurant is, here it is 100 years old, and its founder's French name is still being mispronounced. It's fuh-LEEP. But a lot of folks seem to think it is of Spanish origin and call it fuh-LEE-pay.

"That's the way I pronounce it," Richard Binder said with a laugh. "I guess it's because I never took French in school."

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My paternal Grandmother worked as a cashier at Philippe's for more than forty years. On weekends after I'd finish my morning workouts at the Main St. Gym, I'd wander down Main St. a few blocks to Philippe where Grandma would make me a sandwich. It wasn't unusual to see an up-coming welter named Ernie "Indian Red" Lopez also grabbing a bite there after his workout, as well. This was back in the mid 60's, when Lopez was fighting under Frankie Muche and competing primarily in Las Vegas. I loved the restaurant, where I coud also pick-up the latest edition of Ring Magazine at it's ancient magazine rack. I'd eat my sandwich, wash it down with Lemonade while reading The Ring cover-to-cover. I remember one day before jumping on the bus to take me back to the San Fernando Valley, I see a picture of Ernie Lopez in the Las Vegas results part of The Ring. It showed him hammering Johnnie Brooks in a bout held at the Hacienda Hotel. I took the mag over to where Indian Red was sitting and showed him the pic. Ernie was a great guy, so unassuming, he just smiled kinda shyly and thanked me. "Where did you get that?" he asked. I pointed to Philippe's magazine rack and the future welter contender walked over and bought a copy for himself.

I love L.A.!!!!!!

-Rick
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