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kikibalt wrote:I'll bet Hap can tell us some stories on Andy Russell

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Andy Russell (singer)
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Andy Russell (September 16, 1919-April 16, 1992) was an American popular vocalist, specializing in traditional pop and Latin music.

He was born Andrés Rabago Pérez in the Boyle Heights area of East Los Angeles. He was one of ten children (eight boys, two girls) born to parents who were Mexican immigrants of Spanish descent. Already as a teenager he had begun to perform as a vocalist and drummer with a local band headed by Don Ramon Cruz. In the early forties he Anglicized his name (Andy was obvious, but "Russell" was after the singer Russ Columbo). He became vocalist and drummer with the bands of Johnny Richards, Gus Arnheim, Sonny Dunham, and Alvino Rey. By 1944, he had become well enough regarded a pop vocalist to be featured on radio, and in the next year had his "Old Gold Show". He also signed on with Capitol Records.

His first charted hit was "Bésame Mucho" (Capitol #149, 1944). The same year he had his biggest hit, which became his signature tune, "Amor" (Capitol #156, with the flip side "The Day After Forever") from the film "Broadway Rhythm". He had two more hits that year: "What a Difference a Day Made" (Capitol #167, paired with "Don't You Notice Anything New?") and "I Dream of You"/"Magic Is Moonlight" (Capitol #175). He had another big hit in 1946 with "I Can't Begin to Tell You" (Capitol #221) from the film "The Dolly Sisters." This became the fourth top ten seller in the country for Russell in less than two years and the big time was calling. The next big hit came later in 1946: a two-sided hit with "Laughing on the Outside" and "They Say It's Wonderful" (from the Broadway show Annie Get Your Gun) (Capitol #252). His next hit was "Pretending" (Capitol #271, backed with "Who Do You Love") was another top-ten seller. He was also invited to Hollywood and screen tested for motion pictures. In 1946 he appeared in The Stork Club and Breakfast In Hollywood. He was on the soundtrack of Walt Disney's Make Mine Music, and appeared in the picture Copacabana the next year.

In 1946, the people running the pop music radio program Your Hit Parade asked him to take the place of Frank Sinatra (Sinatra returned in 1947). This led to increased popularity for the singer.

Russell appeared in the new medium, television, in the early 1950s on Your Show of Shows with Sid Caesar on NBC, but continued to record, though less frequently. By 1952, Russell's hits had stopped coming, so Capitol Records lost interest in him as a hit making pop star. Especially, as the rock 'n roll age was beginning to dawn, Capitol (like the other major labels) began to look on with negative feeling. Russell realized at this point in time that was still quite popular in Mexico, so he began to spend time there performing for his fans. He occasionally recorded for RCA Victor Records in the mid 1950s.

In the late 1950s Russell moved to Mexico City and later to Argentina. In the latter country, he had a successful television variety show that ran for seven years. In the mid-1960s, he moved back to the United States for a time and went back to Capitol, making a few LP albums. He also made some LPs for the Argentine market that were well received. Though he continued to appear and perform, by the mid eighties he was generally forgotten. Exceptions to this rule were his 1967 Capitol singles "It's Such a Pretty World Today" and "I'm Still Not Through Missing You", which achieved top ten status on Billboard's Easy Listening chart.

He died in Sun City, Arizona. He was buried in the Loma Vista Memorial Park in Fullerton, California.
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Thanks for posting this. I think Andy is an underrated singer. People talk of Sinatra and Bing,but Andy had a great voice too. Rog
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I believe the Cow Palace is going to be spared though I know there is still some sparring going on. I have seen a lot of good events there including Ray Lunny III against Jimmy Robertson and Buzzsaw Wamabe. My father attended most of the fights listed in the article above. The Cow Palace holds about 14,000 for a fight which is about double for the Civic Auditorium across town. Way, way back my wife and I saw Elton John perform there, everyone swears it was him but we literally had the furthest seats possible from the stage so if you told me it was actually Frank Baltazar wearing huge glasses I couldn't prove you wrong!
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This is the main floor of the Cow Palace during one of the yearly events that goes on there which is the San Francisco Hot Rod & Custom Car & Motorcycle Show. These cars on the main floor are the big boys of the show ranging anywhere in the $250,000 range, in fact some of the cars on the right foreground belong to "Slow Hand" Eric Clampton. The rest of us show in some of the large areas that are attached to the Cow Palace around the perimeter or the building. Below is the car my brother and I show in one of those rooms. It took first in 2004 in it's catagorie which is "documented, original restored". It's a 1970 Chevelle Super Sport 454.
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Randyman wrote:I mentioned in an earlier post that my uncle Ray Robles had several fights at the Cow Palace. Sadly, in keeping in tradition with the times and in the name of progress, the Cow Palace is coming to an end. Is nothing sacred?

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This article is courtesy of Mario Ortega Jr.

Cow Palace Faces the End of an Era

By Mario Ortega Jr.

The Cow Palace, the famed California arena on the border of Daly City and San Francisco, could be torn down if it is sold under a proposal by State Sen. Leland Yee. Yee has drafted a bill that would allow California to sell the state-owned arena to Daly City, which wants to redevelop the area around the Cow Palace. The state would benefit from the sale by eliminating the costs to maintain the arena, which opened in 1941, including necessary upgrades to meet earthquake standards. The Cow Palace was once a main entertainment venue in the Bay Area and has hosted numerous notable events, including speeches by John F. Kennedy, in 1960, and Republican Presidential Nominee Barry Goldwater, at the Republican National Convention in 1964, and concert performances by the Beatles and Elvis Presley among many others. The NBA’s Golden State Warriors and NHL’s San Jose Sharks were tenants of the arena before moving to Oakland and San Jose.

The arena also has a rich boxing history. The Cow Palace hosted several amateur tournaments, including the respected San Francisco Golden Gloves beginning in the early 80’s, that featured many local fighters that went on to professional boxing fame. On October 14, 1949, the first professional boxing event of record was held at the arena, as NBA Heavyweight Champion Ezzard Charles defeated Pat Valentino, of San Francisco, via eighth-round knockout in what was by all accounts a memorable battle. A remarkable 19,870 spectators paid $167,870 to see the pride of San Francisco make a go at Charles’ title. Come backing Joe Louis took on Andy Walker, the California State Heavyweight Champion from San Francisco, at the Cow Palace on February 3, 1951, grossing $96,000. In another memorable bout, Sandy Saddler regained his World Featherweight title from Flash Elorde at the Cow Palace on January 18, 1956 by TKO, when the referee stopped the bout due to a cut. Elorade, a bloody mess, was ahead on all three cards at the time of the stoppage. The crowd, almost entirely for Elorde, booed the end result of the gory battle. Boxing greats Willie Pep, Gene Fullmer, Joey Maxim, Raul Macias, Sugar Ray Robinson and Eder Jofre all competed in the Cow Palace ring during the arena’s strong run from the early 50’s to the early 60’s. My great uncle, Johnny Ortega, fought the legendary Mexican fighter Jose Beccera at the Cow Palace on the June 15, 1956 undercard of Macias’ NBA Bantamweight title defense against Dommy Ursua.

Boxing events were held sparingly at the arena in the 70’s and 80’s. Only one boxing event was held at the Cow Palace in the 90’s, a David Tua-headlined card in 1998. In December of 2003 the last boxing card was held at the arena and was unfortunately a forgettable and poorly run event. The event, promoted by Rose Jewel Promotions - the company of former WBO titlist Lupe Aquino and his wife Jamie, was nearly cancelled the day of and left it’s customers outside for over an hour after the scheduled start time. There were several long delays in between the bouts, attributed to the taping of the card, leaving the crowd displeased with their experience. Reportedly several of the fighters on the card were paid with bad checks. It is regrettable that may be the last boxing memory at the once great Cow Palace.

The proposed bill has set off a public debate in the Bay Area over the arena’s fate. Many in the area feel the arena should be considered a historical landmark, while others feel the area could benefit from the proposed sale. Public forums are being held on Sen. Yee’s bill this month. The forums take place on March 8th at 10 am at the Visitacion Valley Community Center in San Francisco, March 8th at 11 am at the Bayshore Community Center in Daly City and on March 25th at 7 pm at the Saddleback Homeowners Clubhouse in Daly City. SFGate.com has also posted a platform for its readers to voice their opinions on the matter at sfgate.com/ZCOZ.

Mario Ortega Jr. can be reached at [email protected]
We have Buckingham Palace, although I prefer yours.
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I believe the Cow Palace is going to be spared though I know there is still some sparring going on. I have seen a lot of good events there including Ray Lunny III against Jimmy Robertson and Buzzsaw Wamabe. My father attended most of the fights listed in the article above. The Cow Palace holds about 14,000 for a fight which is about double for the Civic Auditorium across town. Way, way back my wife and I saw Elton John perform there, everyone swears it was him but we literally had the furthest seats possible from the stage so if you told me it was actually Frank Baltazar wearing huge glasses I couldn't prove you wrong!
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Picking on me Bruce?.... :lol:
Robertson looks a bit like Alberto Davila in that shot (to me, anyway).
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You're right, Bennie, he does, good eye my friend.... :TU:
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kikibalt wrote:Mijares-Darchinyan Nov. 1 Unification Fight Set For The Home Depot Center In LA
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SHOWTIME CHAMPIONSHIP BOXING Co-Feature Dirrell vs. Oganov

Saturday, Nov. 1, LIVE on SHOWTIME at 9 p.m. ET/PT

NEW YORK (Oct. 3, 2008) – History will be made on Saturday, Nov. 1, when World Boxing Association (WBA) and World Boxing Council (WBC) super flyweight world champion Cristian Mijares climbs into the ring to face International Boxing Federation (IBF) world champion Vic “Raging Bull” Darchinyan at the The Home Depot Center in Carson, Calif. Mijares and Darchinyan are fighting in the very first 115-pound World Championship Unification.

The historic showdown is being co-promoted by DiBella Entertainment, KO Entertainment and Gary Shaw Productions and will air live on SHOWTIME beginning at 9 p.m. ET/PT (delayed on the West Coast) with a 12-round super middleweight (168 pounds) special attraction – Andre Dirrell vs. Victor Oganov.

Tickets go on sale on Wednesday and are priced starting at $25 to $250 for ringside. Tickets may be purchased at The Home Depot Center Box Office, open 10:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. Monday through Friday, and at all Ticketmaster retail ticket locations, as well as http://www.Ticketmaster.com and Ticketmaster-Charge-by-Phone, by calling 213-480-3232.

The world championship fight is only the third time that multiple 115-pound titles will be up for grabs in the same ring. In 1997, Johnny Tapia outpointed Albuquerque, N.M., rival Danny Romero to unify titles. On May 17, 2008, Mijares won a decision against Alexander Munoz also to unify two belts.

Mijares (35-3-2, 13 KOs), of Gomez Palacio, Mexico, is coming off a third-round destruction of Chatchai Sasakul on Aug. 30, while Darchinyan (30-1-1, 24 KOs), of Sydney, Australia, by way of Armenia, won his title after knocking out Dimitri Kirilov in the fifth round Aug. 2 on SHOWTIME.

“I’m one of the best pound for pound fighters in the world,” Mijares said. “On Nov. 1, Darchinyan is going to find that out the hard way when I make history unifying this division.”

Said Darchinyan: “Mijares has what I want - the remaining major belts in the 115-pound division. Let’s see how great a matador he really is when he steps inside the ring and goes face-to-face with the Raging Bull. He won’t be yelling ‘Toro!’ He’ll be screaming ‘I surrender!’ ”
It's good to see a fight like this, although I'm struggling to work out from the piece whether this is the first unification super-flyweight battle or the third. Strictly speaking, there have been others, too, such as Galaxy-Pical and Watanabe-Poontarat back in the 1980s, all of whom were rival champs.
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bennie wrote:
Randyman wrote:I mentioned in an earlier post that my uncle Ray Robles had several fights at the Cow Palace. Sadly, in keeping in tradition with the times and in the name of progress, the Cow Palace is coming to an end. Is nothing sacred?

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This article is courtesy of Mario Ortega Jr.

Cow Palace Faces the End of an Era

By Mario Ortega Jr.

The Cow Palace, the famed California arena on the border of Daly City and San Francisco, could be torn down if it is sold under a proposal by State Sen. Leland Yee. Yee has drafted a bill that would allow California to sell the state-owned arena to Daly City, which wants to redevelop the area around the Cow Palace. The state would benefit from the sale by eliminating the costs to maintain the arena, which opened in 1941, including necessary upgrades to meet earthquake standards. The Cow Palace was once a main entertainment venue in the Bay Area and has hosted numerous notable events, including speeches by John F. Kennedy, in 1960, and Republican Presidential Nominee Barry Goldwater, at the Republican National Convention in 1964, and concert performances by the Beatles and Elvis Presley among many others. The NBA’s Golden State Warriors and NHL’s San Jose Sharks were tenants of the arena before moving to Oakland and San Jose.

The arena also has a rich boxing history. The Cow Palace hosted several amateur tournaments, including the respected San Francisco Golden Gloves beginning in the early 80’s, that featured many local fighters that went on to professional boxing fame. On October 14, 1949, the first professional boxing event of record was held at the arena, as NBA Heavyweight Champion Ezzard Charles defeated Pat Valentino, of San Francisco, via eighth-round knockout in what was by all accounts a memorable battle. A remarkable 19,870 spectators paid $167,870 to see the pride of San Francisco make a go at Charles’ title. Come backing Joe Louis took on Andy Walker, the California State Heavyweight Champion from San Francisco, at the Cow Palace on February 3, 1951, grossing $96,000. In another memorable bout, Sandy Saddler regained his World Featherweight title from Flash Elorde at the Cow Palace on January 18, 1956 by TKO, when the referee stopped the bout due to a cut. Elorade, a bloody mess, was ahead on all three cards at the time of the stoppage. The crowd, almost entirely for Elorde, booed the end result of the gory battle. Boxing greats Willie Pep, Gene Fullmer, Joey Maxim, Raul Macias, Sugar Ray Robinson and Eder Jofre all competed in the Cow Palace ring during the arena’s strong run from the early 50’s to the early 60’s. My great uncle, Johnny Ortega, fought the legendary Mexican fighter Jose Beccera at the Cow Palace on the June 15, 1956 undercard of Macias’ NBA Bantamweight title defense against Dommy Ursua.

Boxing events were held sparingly at the arena in the 70’s and 80’s. Only one boxing event was held at the Cow Palace in the 90’s, a David Tua-headlined card in 1998. In December of 2003 the last boxing card was held at the arena and was unfortunately a forgettable and poorly run event. The event, promoted by Rose Jewel Promotions - the company of former WBO titlist Lupe Aquino and his wife Jamie, was nearly cancelled the day of and left it’s customers outside for over an hour after the scheduled start time. There were several long delays in between the bouts, attributed to the taping of the card, leaving the crowd displeased with their experience. Reportedly several of the fighters on the card were paid with bad checks. It is regrettable that may be the last boxing memory at the once great Cow Palace.

The proposed bill has set off a public debate in the Bay Area over the arena’s fate. Many in the area feel the arena should be considered a historical landmark, while others feel the area could benefit from the proposed sale. Public forums are being held on Sen. Yee’s bill this month. The forums take place on March 8th at 10 am at the Visitacion Valley Community Center in San Francisco, March 8th at 11 am at the Bayshore Community Center in Daly City and on March 25th at 7 pm at the Saddleback Homeowners Clubhouse in Daly City. SFGate.com has also posted a platform for its readers to voice their opinions on the matter at sfgate.com/ZCOZ.

Mario Ortega Jr. can be reached at [email protected]
We have Buckingham Palace, although I prefer yours.
Maybe if it wasn't called the COW Palace, folks would be more keen to keep it.
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bennie wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Mijares-Darchinyan Nov. 1 Unification Fight Set For The Home Depot Center In LA
Published by BoxingInsider

SHOWTIME CHAMPIONSHIP BOXING Co-Feature Dirrell vs. Oganov

Saturday, Nov. 1, LIVE on SHOWTIME at 9 p.m. ET/PT

NEW YORK (Oct. 3, 2008) – History will be made on Saturday, Nov. 1, when World Boxing Association (WBA) and World Boxing Council (WBC) super flyweight world champion Cristian Mijares climbs into the ring to face International Boxing Federation (IBF) world champion Vic “Raging Bull” Darchinyan at the The Home Depot Center in Carson, Calif. Mijares and Darchinyan are fighting in the very first 115-pound World Championship Unification.

The historic showdown is being co-promoted by DiBella Entertainment, KO Entertainment and Gary Shaw Productions and will air live on SHOWTIME beginning at 9 p.m. ET/PT (delayed on the West Coast) with a 12-round super middleweight (168 pounds) special attraction – Andre Dirrell vs. Victor Oganov.

Tickets go on sale on Wednesday and are priced starting at $25 to $250 for ringside. Tickets may be purchased at The Home Depot Center Box Office, open 10:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. Monday through Friday, and at all Ticketmaster retail ticket locations, as well as http://www.Ticketmaster.com and Ticketmaster-Charge-by-Phone, by calling 213-480-3232.

The world championship fight is only the third time that multiple 115-pound titles will be up for grabs in the same ring. In 1997, Johnny Tapia outpointed Albuquerque, N.M., rival Danny Romero to unify titles. On May 17, 2008, Mijares won a decision against Alexander Munoz also to unify two belts.

Mijares (35-3-2, 13 KOs), of Gomez Palacio, Mexico, is coming off a third-round destruction of Chatchai Sasakul on Aug. 30, while Darchinyan (30-1-1, 24 KOs), of Sydney, Australia, by way of Armenia, won his title after knocking out Dimitri Kirilov in the fifth round Aug. 2 on SHOWTIME.

“I’m one of the best pound for pound fighters in the world,” Mijares said. “On Nov. 1, Darchinyan is going to find that out the hard way when I make history unifying this division.”

Said Darchinyan: “Mijares has what I want - the remaining major belts in the 115-pound division. Let’s see how great a matador he really is when he steps inside the ring and goes face-to-face with the Raging Bull. He won’t be yelling ‘Toro!’ He’ll be screaming ‘I surrender!’ ”
It's good to see a fight like this, although I'm struggling to work out from the piece whether this is the first unification super-flyweight battle or the third. Strictly speaking, there have been others, too, such as Galaxy-Pical and Watanabe-Poontarat back in the 1980s, all of whom were rival champs.
Bennie, this is one of the best fights, imo, to come down the pike in a long time, I just might talk my son to go with me to see that fight.
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bennie wrote:
Randyman wrote:I mentioned in an earlier post that my uncle Ray Robles had several fights at the Cow Palace. Sadly, in keeping in tradition with the times and in the name of progress, the Cow Palace is coming to an end. Is nothing sacred?

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This article is courtesy of Mario Ortega Jr.

Cow Palace Faces the End of an Era

By Mario Ortega Jr.

The Cow Palace, the famed California arena on the border of Daly City and San Francisco, could be torn down if it is sold under a proposal by State Sen. Leland Yee. Yee has drafted a bill that would allow California to sell the state-owned arena to Daly City, which wants to redevelop the area around the Cow Palace. The state would benefit from the sale by eliminating the costs to maintain the arena, which opened in 1941, including necessary upgrades to meet earthquake standards. The Cow Palace was once a main entertainment venue in the Bay Area and has hosted numerous notable events, including speeches by John F. Kennedy, in 1960, and Republican Presidential Nominee Barry Goldwater, at the Republican National Convention in 1964, and concert performances by the Beatles and Elvis Presley among many others. The NBA’s Golden State Warriors and NHL’s San Jose Sharks were tenants of the arena before moving to Oakland and San Jose.

The arena also has a rich boxing history. The Cow Palace hosted several amateur tournaments, including the respected San Francisco Golden Gloves beginning in the early 80’s, that featured many local fighters that went on to professional boxing fame. On October 14, 1949, the first professional boxing event of record was held at the arena, as NBA Heavyweight Champion Ezzard Charles defeated Pat Valentino, of San Francisco, via eighth-round knockout in what was by all accounts a memorable battle. A remarkable 19,870 spectators paid $167,870 to see the pride of San Francisco make a go at Charles’ title. Come backing Joe Louis took on Andy Walker, the California State Heavyweight Champion from San Francisco, at the Cow Palace on February 3, 1951, grossing $96,000. In another memorable bout, Sandy Saddler regained his World Featherweight title from Flash Elorde at the Cow Palace on January 18, 1956 by TKO, when the referee stopped the bout due to a cut. Elorade, a bloody mess, was ahead on all three cards at the time of the stoppage. The crowd, almost entirely for Elorde, booed the end result of the gory battle. Boxing greats Willie Pep, Gene Fullmer, Joey Maxim, Raul Macias, Sugar Ray Robinson and Eder Jofre all competed in the Cow Palace ring during the arena’s strong run from the early 50’s to the early 60’s. My great uncle, Johnny Ortega, fought the legendary Mexican fighter Jose Beccera at the Cow Palace on the June 15, 1956 undercard of Macias’ NBA Bantamweight title defense against Dommy Ursua.

Boxing events were held sparingly at the arena in the 70’s and 80’s. Only one boxing event was held at the Cow Palace in the 90’s, a David Tua-headlined card in 1998. In December of 2003 the last boxing card was held at the arena and was unfortunately a forgettable and poorly run event. The event, promoted by Rose Jewel Promotions - the company of former WBO titlist Lupe Aquino and his wife Jamie, was nearly cancelled the day of and left it’s customers outside for over an hour after the scheduled start time. There were several long delays in between the bouts, attributed to the taping of the card, leaving the crowd displeased with their experience. Reportedly several of the fighters on the card were paid with bad checks. It is regrettable that may be the last boxing memory at the once great Cow Palace.

The proposed bill has set off a public debate in the Bay Area over the arena’s fate. Many in the area feel the arena should be considered a historical landmark, while others feel the area could benefit from the proposed sale. Public forums are being held on Sen. Yee’s bill this month. The forums take place on March 8th at 10 am at the Visitacion Valley Community Center in San Francisco, March 8th at 11 am at the Bayshore Community Center in Daly City and on March 25th at 7 pm at the Saddleback Homeowners Clubhouse in Daly City. SFGate.com has also posted a platform for its readers to voice their opinions on the matter at sfgate.com/ZCOZ.

Mario Ortega Jr. can be reached at [email protected]
We have Buckingham Palace, although I prefer yours.
Maybe if it wasn't called the COW Palace, folks would be more keen to keep it.
Anybody know why it was named the "Cow Palace"?
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I thought it was because it was built on a former cow pasture or property where a dairy had once been operated. I dunno for sure.

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One of the biggest hitters the middleweight division has seen and although he was called “The Ox”, he punched like a mule.

CUBAN Florentino Fernandez remembers the days when his country was a paradise.

Now living in Miami, Florida, “Floro” is 71 and has been retired more than 35 years.

He was one of the biggest hitters the middleweight division has seen and although he was called “The Ox”, he punched like a mule.

One example of his power came when he broke Gene Fullmer’s arm with a right hand.

Others included stoppages of Joe DeNucci, Phil Moyer and Rory Calhoun.

He was the only man to halt Jose Torres (flooring him twice en route to a fifth-round stoppage win). He halted 43 of his 50 victims in a 67-fight career that lasted from 1956-72 and saw him finish 50-16-1.

However, as with many explosive bangers, he was vulnerable. Of his 16 losses 10 were inside.

Rubin Carter blew him away in a round, as did Rocky Kalingo. Joey Giambra, Dick Tiger and Juan Carlos Rivero also stopped him.

Fernandez doesn’t speak English but Miami boxing historian Edde Soler translated for me.

“Back in my day there were a lot of fighters with a lot of class and talent,” Florentino said.

“I fought several former champions: Ralph Dupas, Jose Torres, Emile Griffith, Dick Tiger. I also fought Gasper Ortega of Mexico.”

Florentino was 25-1 as an amateur and it was never going to be an easy decision to leave his homeland to fight in America after securing his first 20 wins in Havana.

“It was really hard,” he recalled. “Florida was unknown territory, but I had to leave because with Fidel Castro in power things were going from bad to worse.

“I knew I had to get out and into the United States, where people would appreciate me as a fighter and see me as a professional and get to know me better.”

When he fought future light-heavyweight champ Torres, Fernandez was brought in as the underdog to Puerto Rico, where Torres was from. He had lost five of his last seven fights.

“I fought Torres after ‘Hurricane’ had knocked me out in the first round, so Torres, his people and the Puerto Rican people all thought I was through as a fighter.

“They thought I would be an easy opponent to protect Torres. A lot of people told me Torres was going to kill me and the people thought I was crazy for fighting him.”

But he handed Torres his first loss and later fought tough Argentine Juan Carlos Rivero four times (three times in succession in 1963-64), sharing their thrilling series. They had Ray Robinson-Jake LaMotta syndrome, Floro said. No one wanted to fight them, so they fought each other. Of some of his other opponents, he said he struggled to make the welterweight limit against Griffith – he lost on points – and said of his one shot at the title, when he lost a split decision to Gene Fullmer in Utah (where Fullmer was from), that he was the aggressor and backed the champion up.

When he went into the fight with Tiger he already had a nose injury. An uppercut that broke it and forced the stoppage.

Florentino admitted he was careless against Hurricane and that he “took him for granted” and put his hands down in the first round.

But he’s happy with his career.

“I accomplished what I wanted in boxing,” he said. “When I retired I missed it, but it was the right time. I had fought for the title [NBA middleweight version against Fullmer in 1961] and had fought the best fighters, so I don’t have any regrets.

“I’m proud to be remembered alongside such great fighters. I always knew from the beginning that one day I would get a title shot. When I lost to Fullmer [pts 15] I was training for another title shot. I waited and waited for another shot but it never came.

“When I retired, I had three fighters under my tutelage. I was training them at the Fifth Street Gym in Miami [where he trained under Angelo Dundee] for a while, but I stopped training them as they did not have the same dedication I had.

“I missed the training. It was something I did for a long time. I went to some boxing shows and some people still ask me if I’m still retired. They say I look strong and I can make a comeback, but I’m an old guy now. I missed boxing but have no regrets.”

Fernandez became an American citizen more than 20 years ago and lives in a quiet Miami suburb with his wife of 42 years. He has three children from an earlier marriage and one from his current marriage. He is also a grandfather.

“I miss Cuba very much,” he said. “I miss the family and friends I left behind. I miss the beaches, the beautiful people, seeing Malecon [the famous Havana street]. I miss the Cuba of 42 years ago.

“To me, Cuba was the greatest country in the world. Then Castro took over.”
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Mr. Johnny Saxton held to "edge of greatness"
By HAL HABIB
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

Tuesday, October 07, 2008

More than 43 years had passed since they last met, back in an era when their boxing match meant something on a national scale. Johnny Saxton had defeated Kid Gavilan that October evening in 1954, but for this get-together, tears replaced sweat and hugs replaced punches.

So much had changed, but neither was going to be pushed around by the other.

When the frail Gavilan told Saxton he was the champion, Saxton corrected his host, saying he was the champ. Moments later, though, Saxton stepped outside to see his longtime friend, Richard Joselit, who had arranged the 1998 reunion in Hialeah.

"He was crying," Joselit said. "He said, 'Why does he have to be like this? Why does he have to be so sick?' I'll never forget that."

Joselit recalled the story Tuesday while awaiting word on services for Mr. Saxton, who died Saturday at Good Samaritan's Hospice Unit. Mr. Saxton, 78, spent most of his final 10 years as a resident of the Crystal Palms assisted living facility in Lake Worth.

Mr. Saxton was born on Independence Day in 1930, a precursor to the life he would lead. He grew up in an orphanage, had a limited education and was a member of a gang in his younger days, yet he grew up to become a two-time world welterweight champion.

His résumé includes victories over legends Gavilan and Carmen Basilio, which would cement any fighter's legacy, if not for extenuating circumstances.
"The truth of the matter is nobody really knows where he rates because of the allegations that a lot of his fights were handled by the mob and it wasn't for real," said Joselit, a former inspector with the New York State Athletic Commission. "But he did beat some of the greatest welterweights who ever lived."

Boxing journalist and historian Bert Sugar agreed.

"Johnny was one of the golden age of sports' good fighters," Sugar said. "He sort of tiptoed on the edge of greatness.

"He is to be remembered as a welterweight champion who fought the best of them and beat some of them, by whatever means. It's not his fault the judges were in someone's pocket."Mr. Saxton was managed by Frank "Blinky" Palermo, who had ties to mobster Frankie Carbo.

"It was the only way in the '50s that you could get ahead," Sugar said.
Sugar and Joselit agreed that because of his connections to Palermo, Mr. Saxton never fully enjoyed the financial rewards of his labor.

"I think he had several fights under Palermo where he got no money - not even a token to get home on the subway," Sugar said.

Resorting back to his difficult younger ways, Mr. Saxton was caught stealing $5 from an apartment in Queens, Joselit said.

Mr. Saxton's luck changed about a decade ago after Joselit discovered him in a filthy New York apartment, with no electricity or food. He promptly brought Mr. Saxton to South Florida.

Because Mr. Saxton was suffering from fighter's dementia, Joselit placed him in an assisted-living facility, and even though his right leg was badly injured in a hit-and-run auto accident, Mr. Saxton appeared in good spirits and enjoyed teaching kids to box.

"I'm feeling fine," Mr. Saxton told The Post in 1998. "Doing good. Real good. Real fine. Yessir."

For much of his boxing career, there was little doubt about that.

Thirty-seven fights into his professional career, Mr. Saxton was undefeated.
On Oct. 20, 1954, he took a 15-round decision from Gavilan in Philadelphia to become world champion, and although he lost the belt six months later to Tony DeMarco in Boston, Mr. Saxton once again was champion on March 14, 1956, when he defeated Basilio via a controversial 15-round decision in Chicago. Sports Illustrated labeled the decision "dubious," and within a year, Mr. Saxton was knocked out twice by Basilio in title fights.

"He was a hell of a fighter, though," Sugar said. "Johnny Saxton was a dynamo in the ring. It just happened that he came along at a time - one of the few times - when boxing was overflowing with talent, and he was one of the talent."

Mr. Saxton finished 55-9-2 with 21 knockouts.

"He was an overachiever," Joselit said. "Yeah, he grew up in an orphanage and was the leader of a gang in New York, but through it all, he had enough discipline and intelligence to become welterweight champion of the world.
"Today there are like 124 champions, but when Johnny was the welterweight champion, there were only eight champions. ... He would walk down the street then and people would say, 'That's Johnny Saxton. That's the champion of the world.''''

Johnny was inducted into the New Jersey Boxing Hall of Fame on November 12, 1998.
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Anybody know why it was named the "Cow Palace"
From Wkipedia

Behind the name
The idea for the arena was originally conceived as the result of the popularity of the livestock pavilion at the 1915 Pan-Pacific Exposition. It was another decade before steps were taken to finance the building, and legislative delays and the onset of the Great Depression meant that the building was not completed until 1941. One story for how the current name came about tells of a newspaper editorial that wondered aloud "Why, when people are starving, should money be spent on a "palace for cows?" Thus, the Cow Palace was born.
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Johnny Saxton

Country USA
Global Id 9703
Birthplace Newark, NJ
Division Welterweight
Born 1930-07-04
Died 2008-10-04
Stance Orthodox
Height 173cm


Career Record © www.boxrec.com

Date Opponent Location Result
1958-12-15 Willie Green Providence, USA L TKO 3
1958-10-21 Denny Moyer Portland, USA L UD 10
1958-10-07 Barry Allison Holyoke, USA W SD 10
1957-09-06 Joe Miceli Washington, USA L TKO 4
1957-02-22 Carmen Basilio Cleveland, USA L TKO 2
1956-09-12 Carmen Basilio Syracuse, USA L TKO 9
1956-08-23 Don Williams Worcester, USA W MD 10
1956-08-07 Barry Allison Boston, USA W UD 10
1956-05-16 Gil Turner Chicago, USA W TKO 10
1956-03-14 Carmen Basilio Chicago, USA W UD 15
1955-11-09 Ralph Jones Oakland, USA W UD 10
1955-10-25 Jackie O'Brien Holyoke, USA W UD 10
1955-09-15 Joe Shaw Portland, USA W UD 10
1955-06-20 Jimmy Fuller Brockton, USA W TKO 6
1955-04-01 Tony DeMarco Boston, USA L TKO 14
1955-02-11 Ronnie Delaney Akron, USA L UD 10
1954-12-02 Ramon Fuentes Los Angeles, USA W UD 10
1954-10-20 Kid Gavilan Philadelphia, USA W UD 15
1954-08-04 Johnny Lombardo Mount Carmel, USA D PTS 10
1954-02-24 Johnny Bratton Philadelphia, USA W UD 10
1954-02-01 Mickey Laurent Brooklyn, USA W TKO 7
1953-12-30 Del Flanagan Minneapolis, USA L SD 10
1953-12-03 Herman McCray Fall River, USA W KO 3
1953-09-29 Joey Giardello Philadelphia, USA W UD 10
1953-09-15 Charley Williams Allentown, USA W TKO 2
1953-06-15 Gil Turner Philadelphia, USA L SD 10
1953-05-27 Joe Miceli Detroit, USA W UD 10
1953-03-31 Charley Williams Brooklyn, USA W UD 10
1953-03-10 Wallace (Bud) Smith Miami Beach, USA D PTS 10
1953-02-24 Charley Williams Miami Beach, USA W UD 10
1953-02-10 Freddie Dawson Philadelphia, USA W UD 10
1952-12-29 Danny Womber Milwaukee, USA W PTS 10
1952-12-12 Raul Perez New York City, USA W KO 1
1952-10-28 Mario Trigo Milwaukee, USA W RTD 3
1952-10-03 Ralph Jones New York City, USA W SD 10
1952-07-30 Virgil Akins Chicago, USA W UD 10
1952-07-17 Bobby Lee Coatesville, USA W UD 10
1952-06-04 Luther Rawlings Chicago, USA W UD 10
1952-04-30 Bobby Lee Baltimore, USA W KO 7
1952-04-17 Charlie Thompson Fall River, USA W PTS 10
1952-03-14 Lester Felton New York City, USA W DQ 6
1952-01-25 Livio Minelli New York City, USA W TKO 7
1951-11-19 Charley Salas Philadelphia, USA W UD 10
1951-11-05 Marshall Clayton Washington, USA W TKO 7
1951-10-04 Honeychile Johnson Philadelphia, USA W MD 10
1951-08-20 Tommy Ciarlo Allentown, USA W TKO 5
1951-08-05 Joey Carkido Philadelphia, USA W TKO 6
1951-07-30 Gaby Ferland Allentown, USA W TKO 7
1951-07-02 Lloyd Tate Philadelphia, USA W TKO 3
1950-09-22 Tony Pellone New York City, USA W UD 10
1950-08-28 Sonny Bunn Brooklyn, USA W UD 10
1950-06-26 Mike Koballa Elizabeth, USA W PTS 8
1950-06-05 Lionel Isadore Philadelphia, USA W PTS 6
1950-05-17 Bert Linam New York City, USA W TKO 1
1950-04-21 Joe Miceli New York City, USA W SD 10
1950-03-22 John Bowman Philadelphia, USA W KO 3
1950-03-15 Aldo Minelli New York City, USA W UD 10
1950-02-10 Charley Salas New York City, USA W UD 8
1950-01-13 Mario Moreno New York City, USA W KO 2
1949-12-21 Adrien Mourguiart New York City, USA W KO 4
1949-12-05 Bucky Slocum Philadelphia, USA W PTS 4
1949-10-24 Horace Bailey Trenton, USA W PTS 6
1949-09-06 George Hunter Allentown, USA W KO 2
1949-08-17 Dave Andrews Bronx, USA W UD 8
1949-07-20 George Dixon Bronx, USA W TKO 1
1949-05-09 Jimmy Swann Philadelphia, USA W KO 3

Record to Date
Won 55 (KOs 21) Lost 9 Drawn 2 Total 66
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LAMENT POR MI TIERRA

The old Coliseum was still drawing them in. The fight crowd in San Diego was always good.The old place only held around three thousand,but on fight night it was packed to the doors. If you wanted to come up with just a general admission ticket and sit in those green painted bleachers,the action was in front of you. Hot dogs,popcorn,sodas,and beer were sold at the concession stand at the east end of the arena. I usually waited for the "hawker" to come around , pop off a cap and then dump the beer in the paper cup.

I remember the night a fighter by the name of Quincy Daniels,who had an unbeaten streak of seven,fight in the main event against an old trial horse named Kid Rayo. Earlier Rayo was brought in as a set up guy for a local prospect ,Aristeo Castro. Castro was also unbeaten. The young fighter was tatooing Rayo pretty good for seven rounds when the two fell into a fast clinch. Like something out of a Jimmy cagney movie Rayo taps his glove on the back of Castro's shoulder. The youngster steps back like the ref had just tapped him and Rayo taps a big left on the boy's unprotected chin. Ten and out.

Well this Daniels was a cutie and a southpaw to boot. Before the Castro fight I'd never seen Rayo fight or ever heard of him. But after that funny win that night,they brought him back. My pal Gary Young was on the undercard fighting a Navy heavyweight. Gary won pretty easy,but Gary was crude as hell. He must of had 20 pounds on the other guy. Gary just threw him around the ring. I never heard so many boos at the old wooden arena. To tell ya' the truth when Gary joined me in the bleachers to watch the main event I was looking over my shoulder for any "incoming".

Daniels that night was too fast and too quick and too young for the old "Kid." I don't remember Kid Rayo landing a clean shot all night.He lost every round.He took a beating. The "Kid" heard a lot of "chifles" for putting up such a poor showing. They never brought Kid Rayo back after that night.

But this is what struck me. Gary had to go back to the dressing room to get his bag. I went with him. At the end of the bench in that steamy wet little dressing room was Kid Rayo sitting with a towel over his head. His hands covered his face. He was alone. No one said anything to him. No one paid attention to him. Gary retrieved his bag and started for the door. I was right behind. Just before clearing the exit,I heard Rayo mumble to himself,"Managua."

If I had had the money I'd have bought him a plane ticket.
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kikibalt wrote:Courtesy of Diego

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That's my father in the picture on the left. He's to the right of the dog. The guy behind him is mobster Tony"Mops" Volpe.
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That's my father in the picture on the left. He's to the right of the dog. The guy behind him is mobster Tony"Mops" Volpe.[/quote]

Dagosd,
Have you considered a book about your families past, with all of your personal knowledge and the small bits you have shared with us here it would be really be a good read. This kind of stuff is really fasinating to me. Can you tell us more about the newpapers you posted.
Bobbin & Weavin :o
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Bobbin & Weavin wrote:That's my father in the picture on the left. He's to the right of the dog. The guy behind him is mobster Tony"Mops" Volpe.
Dagosd,
Have you considered a book about your families past, with all of your personal knowledge and the small bits you have shared with us here it would be really be a good read. This kind of stuff is really fasinating to me. Can you tell us more about the newpapers you posted.
Bobbin & Weavin :o[/quote]

My grandfather was murdered walking home from a "hod carriers" union meeting which he headed up in Chicago. With him were his two body guards,the Varchetti brothers. As he approached his house on the corner of Polk and Oakley Streets,he was spotted by his wife and daughter who were waiting for him. They were going to run up to him. This was about a half block away.
"Stop",said my grandfather. " I buy somma fruit first."(remember Don Corleone getting shot in The Godfather?)
Just then a car pulled up fast next to my grandfather. Two guys with shotguns leaped out. The Varchetti brothers dropped to the ground! 56 shells soaked in garlic were pumped into my grandfathers body. Diamond Joe's casket cost 15,000 dollars. His funeral was the biggest ever in Chicago . Bigger than Dion O'Bannion's. Airplanes dropped flowers from above.

Afterwards my grandmother went to Al Capone. He told them it was a mistake. (A common excuse). Capone also took in my father to live with him. (A common practice).

After the War my father wanted to avenge the murder. One assailant had died,but my father killed the other guy with his .45 he brought back from Okinawa.

Diamond Joe brought up all the big mob guys who became notorious later. Paul "The Waiter" Ricca. (got his name by being a waiter in my grandfather's restaurant,the Bella Napoli),Frank Nitti, Al Capone,Sam Giancana,and Tony Accardo to name a few.My grandfather was THE BENEFACTOR in the Italian community. Every Christmas he'd hand out thousands of baskets of food to the needy immigrants in Little Italy.

Joe Kennedy(President Kennedy's father) sold sugar to my grandfather so he could distill whiskey for his speak easys. President Coolidge relied on my grandfather to deliver the vote in Chicago. He was a powerfull man,but like the old adage says,"Crime doesn't pay."
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Rog, you really could write a book.
All the guys you mention , are very well known here in Chi-town as you know.
Including your Dad and Grandfather as you know.
These men have all been gone now for many years ,but there names come up all the time here.
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