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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 10 Oct 2008, 03:26
by bennie
kikibalt wrote:
bennie wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Mijares-Darchinyan Nov. 1 Unification Fight Set For The Home Depot Center In LA
Published by BoxingInsider

SHOWTIME CHAMPIONSHIP BOXING Co-Feature Dirrell vs. Oganov

Saturday, Nov. 1, LIVE on SHOWTIME at 9 p.m. ET/PT

NEW YORK (Oct. 3, 2008) – History will be made on Saturday, Nov. 1, when World Boxing Association (WBA) and World Boxing Council (WBC) super flyweight world champion Cristian Mijares climbs into the ring to face International Boxing Federation (IBF) world champion Vic “Raging Bull” Darchinyan at the The Home Depot Center in Carson, Calif. Mijares and Darchinyan are fighting in the very first 115-pound World Championship Unification.

The historic showdown is being co-promoted by DiBella Entertainment, KO Entertainment and Gary Shaw Productions and will air live on SHOWTIME beginning at 9 p.m. ET/PT (delayed on the West Coast) with a 12-round super middleweight (168 pounds) special attraction – Andre Dirrell vs. Victor Oganov.

Tickets go on sale on Wednesday and are priced starting at $25 to $250 for ringside. Tickets may be purchased at The Home Depot Center Box Office, open 10:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. Monday through Friday, and at all Ticketmaster retail ticket locations, as well as http://www.Ticketmaster.com and Ticketmaster-Charge-by-Phone, by calling 213-480-3232.

The world championship fight is only the third time that multiple 115-pound titles will be up for grabs in the same ring. In 1997, Johnny Tapia outpointed Albuquerque, N.M., rival Danny Romero to unify titles. On May 17, 2008, Mijares won a decision against Alexander Munoz also to unify two belts.

Mijares (35-3-2, 13 KOs), of Gomez Palacio, Mexico, is coming off a third-round destruction of Chatchai Sasakul on Aug. 30, while Darchinyan (30-1-1, 24 KOs), of Sydney, Australia, by way of Armenia, won his title after knocking out Dimitri Kirilov in the fifth round Aug. 2 on SHOWTIME.

“I’m one of the best pound for pound fighters in the world,” Mijares said. “On Nov. 1, Darchinyan is going to find that out the hard way when I make history unifying this division.”

Said Darchinyan: “Mijares has what I want - the remaining major belts in the 115-pound division. Let’s see how great a matador he really is when he steps inside the ring and goes face-to-face with the Raging Bull. He won’t be yelling ‘Toro!’ He’ll be screaming ‘I surrender!’ ”
It's good to see a fight like this, although I'm struggling to work out from the piece whether this is the first unification super-flyweight battle or the third. Strictly speaking, there have been others, too, such as Galaxy-Pical and Watanabe-Poontarat back in the 1980s, all of whom were rival champs.
Bennie, this is one of the best fights, imo, to come down the pike in a long time, I just might talk my son to go with me to see that fight.
Yeah, it crackles. I think the writer means first 'undisputed' super-flyweight showdown, which technically it is. Has to be worth watching. Oganov on the undercard, too. The Russian has NEVER gone the distance.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 10 Oct 2008, 03:38
by bennie
kikibalt wrote:Image
Les made a comeback in 1978, after six years out. He trained hard for six months and then took on an unknown light-heavyweight by the name of - Dennis Andries.
Les never had much luck.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 10 Oct 2008, 07:37
by kikibalt
bennie wrote:
bennie wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Mijares-Darchinyan Nov. 1 Unification Fight Set For The Home Depot Center In LA
Published by BoxingInsider

SHOWTIME CHAMPIONSHIP BOXING Co-Feature Dirrell vs. Oganov

Saturday, Nov. 1, LIVE on SHOWTIME at 9 p.m. ET/PT

NEW YORK (Oct. 3, 2008) – History will be made on Saturday, Nov. 1, when World Boxing Association (WBA) and World Boxing Council (WBC) super flyweight world champion Cristian Mijares climbs into the ring to face International Boxing Federation (IBF) world champion Vic “Raging Bull” Darchinyan at the The Home Depot Center in Carson, Calif. Mijares and Darchinyan are fighting in the very first 115-pound World Championship Unification.

The historic showdown is being co-promoted by DiBella Entertainment, KO Entertainment and Gary Shaw Productions and will air live on SHOWTIME beginning at 9 p.m. ET/PT (delayed on the West Coast) with a 12-round super middleweight (168 pounds) special attraction – Andre Dirrell vs. Victor Oganov.

Tickets go on sale on Wednesday and are priced starting at $25 to $250 for ringside. Tickets may be purchased at The Home Depot Center Box Office, open 10:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. Monday through Friday, and at all Ticketmaster retail ticket locations, as well as http://www.Ticketmaster.com and Ticketmaster-Charge-by-Phone, by calling 213-480-3232.

The world championship fight is only the third time that multiple 115-pound titles will be up for grabs in the same ring. In 1997, Johnny Tapia outpointed Albuquerque, N.M., rival Danny Romero to unify titles. On May 17, 2008, Mijares won a decision against Alexander Munoz also to unify two belts.

Mijares (35-3-2, 13 KOs), of Gomez Palacio, Mexico, is coming off a third-round destruction of Chatchai Sasakul on Aug. 30, while Darchinyan (30-1-1, 24 KOs), of Sydney, Australia, by way of Armenia, won his title after knocking out Dimitri Kirilov in the fifth round Aug. 2 on SHOWTIME.

“I’m one of the best pound for pound fighters in the world,” Mijares said. “On Nov. 1, Darchinyan is going to find that out the hard way when I make history unifying this division.”

Said Darchinyan: “Mijares has what I want - the remaining major belts in the 115-pound division. Let’s see how great a matador he really is when he steps inside the ring and goes face-to-face with the Raging Bull. He won’t be yelling ‘Toro!’ He’ll be screaming ‘I surrender!’

It's good to see a fight like this, although I'm struggling to work out from the piece whether this is the first unification super-flyweight battle or the third. Strictly speaking, there have been others, too, such as Galaxy-Pical and Watanabe-Poontarat back in the 1980s, all of whom were rival champs.

Bennie, this is one of the best fights, imo, to come down the pike in a long time, I just might talk my son to go with me to see that fight.

Yeah, it crackles. I think the writer means first 'undisputed' super-flyweight showdown, which technically it is. Has to be worth watching. Oganov on the undercard, too. The Russian has NEVER gone the distance.
You know, Bennie, titles don't mean sh*t these days, but this fight has all the making of a good fight, on paper anyway.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 10 Oct 2008, 07:49
by Counter-puncher
quick question for west cost fans about Bobby Chacon

i never heard if he had problems with his hands or not but watching the old clasics from later in his career i can't help noticethat he really seems to be pushing his punches out there, and the difference between early and late Chacon seems very pronounced. especially in the left hook his best weapon in his younger days he isn't turning his knuckles over or really getting his shoulder or weight into the punch, it seems to me. plus later in his career he seemed to become a much more right-handed fighter where his left was better when he was younger

can anyone confirm if he had problems with his hands? thanks

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 10 Oct 2008, 07:56
by kikibalt
The Dunbar in South L.A., once a landmark, has lost its beat
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Gary Friedman / Los Angeles Times
SHIFT IN SIGNIFICANCE: The Dunbar Hotel in South Los Angeles was the pride of the black community in an age of segregation, and it became the epicenter of West Coast jazz. Now it faces potential foreclosure in a poor neighborhood riddled with gangs and violence.
The hotel that once was the pride of the black community and resting spot for jazz greats is now in decay as it houses low-income tenants. Its future is riddled with uncertainty.

By Scott Gold, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

In 1957, Jimmy Steward graduated from high school in El Dorado, Ark., which had piney woods and pretty promenades left over from an oil boom, but no jobs to speak of. Like many others, he looked west for work, and landed in South Los Angeles, where, like many others, "I didn't find no gold."

Steward worked in warehouses and foundries and eventually took a one-room apartment on Central Avenue, in a tired building where the ghosts are named Basie, Calloway and Ellington, and where the walls, if they could talk, might break into song.

Steward is one of 32 people who live in the Dunbar Hotel, in a strange netherworld -- which City Hall, for better or worse, will soon take ownership of because the hotel has failed to repay nearly $3 million in loans.

On the one hand, the Dunbar is a monument to the strength and guts of black L.A.

Financed by black business leaders, built by black craftsmen and opened in 1928 along the spine of the black community, it was a source of great pride in an age of segregation. It became the epicenter of West Coast jazz, and its guest list -- Count Basie, Cab Calloway and Duke Ellington, plus Billie Holiday, Lena Horne and scores more -- reads today like the table of contents in a jazz history book.

"That was the place," said Paul Bryant, 75, a piano and organ player who began performing in Los Angeles in 1937 and appeared on dozens of records, including 12 of his own. "The Dunbar was the black version of the Ritz-Carlton."

But it doesn't feel like a privilege to live there, not anymore.

The Dunbar is no longer a hotel but contains 73 low-income apartments; about half are occupied, mostly by seniors.

By now, the building is like a debutante who missed her ride at the end of the night and had to walk home in the rain. All of the elements of grace and beauty are still there, but her dress is torn and her lipstick is smeared.

Inside the Dunbar's Art Deco lobby, under a magnificent chandelier, there are cigarette butts and chewed-up sunflower seeds on the window sills. There are holes in the walls and the windows that once formed soaring arches next to the front desk.

The lobby's original furniture -- velvet divans, wooden chairs -- is piled in the basement. Vines have crept across the facade and then shriveled in the sun. The elevators often fail. When the plumbing faltered a while back, tenants went without hot water for weeks. When they complained to management, they were told to hire a plumber themselves.

"We're poor in here. But we shouldn't have to live like dogs," said Eddie Outley, 51, who works at a nearby department store and has lived at the Dunbar for 15 years.

On the surrounding streets, the old jazz clubs -- the Down Beat, the Parisian Room -- are long gone. Left behind is a poor neighborhood riddled with gangs and violence. The Dunbar can't keep it all at bay; vagrants and others often sneak through side doors.

Alberto Lopez, 40, the Dunbar's supervisor of maintenance, struggles to keep the place in some semblance of working order, painting the hallways and laying new carpet in many rooms. He could be found the other day roaming the halls, sweat beading on his face, chasing off interlopers who had found a way into the building. In the past, some have brought in drugs. Others work as prostitutes. Some are just looking for a safe place to lie down.

"You need to go!" he shouted at one wide-eyed woman in a hooded sweat shirt. "I don't want to see you again tomorrow!"

With an electric drill, he screwed L-shaped braces into the door jams of vacant rooms in an effort to keep people out. Sometimes, that isn't enough; he rounded a corner on the fourth floor to find that someone had kicked in the door to one vacant room and shattered the only piece of furniture inside.

"I just fixed this up," he said, looking at the work ahead of him. "It makes me sad."

Back in his room, Steward prepared for another day. A row of food cans lined against the wall serves as his pantry; his rent is about $360 a month. During the glory days, visiting stars often requested favorite rooms. Steward's apartment was favored by "Pigmeat" Markham, the performer whose "Here come da judge" routine was his signature.

"It's a landmark all right," Steward said. "But around here, you don't have too much time to reflect on history. Everybody's just trying to survive."

The Dunbar, many believe, deserves better. Big changes are afoot, though no one knows how it's going to turn out.

Its finances are very complex. The nonprofit Dunbar Economic Development Corp., for instance, which works to revitalize the area around Central and Vernon avenues, owns the building, while a separate nonprofit group owns the land underneath.

Twenty years ago, the city gave the Dunbar a $2.9-million rehabilitation loan. For years, however -- largely because the building is so old that it requires frequent, expensive fixes -- it has cost more money to keep the Dunbar open than it generates.

So the Dunbar couldn't repay the loan. As of June, according to City Hall, the Dunbar owed the principal plus $2.4 million in interest -- $5.3 million altogether, more than the building is worth.

In March, a judge appointed Malcolm N. Bennett, a respected authority on housing and finance, as receiver. Bennett now oversees day-to-day operations and is credited with stabilizing the Dunbar by improving living conditions and adding security.

As soon as November, the city expects to foreclose and put the Dunbar up for sale. All parties assume that -- particularly in a bad market and considering the building needs an estimated $4 million in repairs -- no one is going to buy it.

At that point, though it could take a while, the city would ask for proposals from nonprofit or redevelopment agencies looking to refurbish the building.

Not everyone is convinced it will go smoothly. Dunbar Economic Development Corp.'s Board of Directors Chairman Michael Dolphin said he fears the project could become tangled in red tape and legal snarls.

"The whole thing could go south," he said. "You could have rats and pigeons in this place for the next 20 years."

But City Councilwoman Jan Perry said there are safeguards in place, including historic landmark status that adds strict government oversight to redevelopment efforts. Any deal with an outside group, Perry said, "would have very, very, very specific language about preserving the structure."

"The dream," as Dolphin puts it, is to reopen the Dunbar to those who put it on the map: the musicians, mostly West Coast jazz artists, many of whom have grown old in anonymity. Then, he said -- with a rehearsal and performance space in the lobby, perhaps -- the Dunbar would become a cultural jewel again.

"All they'd have to do is walk downstairs," Dolphin said.

"Now that," said Gerald Wilson, a towering jazz figure, "is a great idea."

Wilson stayed at the Dunbar his first night in Los Angeles, in 1940. He had just joined the Jimmie Lunceford Orchestra as a trumpeter, and would go on to write songs for Basie and Ellington, among many others, and direct his own orchestra.

"The Dunbar was the finest hotel in America for black people. All of the great black entertainers stayed at this hotel, and black people built it from the ground up," he said. "It deserves recognition as a cornerstone of the black journey."

Wilson has lived in Los Angeles for 65 years. He turned 90 last week and has a gig this weekend in Newport Beach.

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Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 10 Oct 2008, 07:59
by kikibalt
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The Dunbar Hotel in South Los Angeles, pictured in 1928, the year it was opened, had a guest list that included Count Basie, Cab Calloway, Duke Ellington, Billie Holiday and Lena Horne.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 10 Oct 2008, 08:05
by kikibalt
Counter-puncher wrote:quick question for west cost fans about Bobby Chacon

i never heard if he had problems with his hands or not but watching the old clasics from later in his career i can't help noticethat he really seems to be pushing his punches out there, and the difference between early and late Chacon seems very pronounced. especially in the left hook his best weapon in his younger days he isn't turning his knuckles over or really getting his shoulder or weight into the punch, it seems to me. plus later in his career he seemed to become a much more right-handed fighter where his left was better when he was younger

can anyone confirm if he had problems with his hands? thanks
C-P, I never knew or heard of Bobby having problems with his hands, maybe Rick can tell us if he did.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 10 Oct 2008, 10:02
by dagosd2000
Expug wrote:Rog, you really could write a book.
All the guys you mention , are very well known here in Chi-town as you know.
Including your Dad and Grandfather as you know.
These men have all been gone now for many years ,but there names come up all the time here.
When I retire in 4 years I will. I want to say that another Chi Town poster on this site,Seamus(Pete) caught me on something a while back. Sam Giancana's nephew ,Chuck,wrote a book about his uncle Sam Giancana. The book made accurate references about my grandfather. I posted that the book was a good read for a description of the "Outfit" in Chicago. I was wrong, and Pete caught me on it. The references about my grandfather were true,but the rest of the book was inaccurate. Chuck Giancana's story of his uncle was fabricated.

In a nutshell Chuckie Giancana attributed everything from the Kennedy brothers assassinations to Marilyn Monroe's murder coming down from Sam Giancana. That wasn't true at all. Sam Giancana wasn't even the top guy in Chicago at that time. It was Tony Accardo. Besides,the Mob,doesn't have the clout nor the nerve to whack the President of the United States.

What I'm saying is if I write the book,I want to make sure the story is as accurate as possible. My father's sister is still alive and was a major contributor to Curt Johnson's history of Chicago,"Wicke City." There are good stories of my grandfather ,and also accurate ones ,in that book.

For the time being I'll drop a story once in a while in the thread. Maybe later I'll compile all of it and put it between two book covers.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 10 Oct 2008, 11:23
by raylawpc
Hey Roger. Fascinating posts about your family. A lady who is a business partner of mine is "married to the mob," in a roundabout way. Her husband is the son and brother in a New York mob family. As I understand it, when he reached a certain age, he had to make a decision whether to follow in the family business, or do something else. He chose to do something else. He entered academia and just retired as the dean of a college in Oregon. His father was very happy that one of his sons chose to seek a profession outside the family business. She said her earlier years visiting the family were very similar to the opening scenes of the Godfather when the Al Pacino character takes his girlfriend/fiance to his sister's wedding and talks about his family and the people at the wedding. She said the first couple of trips were kind of spooky for a small-town girl from Oregon, but now she looks forward to going to New York and seeing the family at every opportunity. Her early concerns were that, if somebody wanted revenge on her husband's father or brothers, that someone might come out to Oregon and harm her or her husband. But he made it very clear to her that that would not happen; his decision as a teenager to stay out of the family business meant that he need never fear any retribution by the mob for anything his family ever did.

Did anything happen to your father after he killed one of the men who murdered your grandfather?

I am sure your Dad had some fascinating stories about Al Capone.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 10 Oct 2008, 11:38
by Counter-puncher
kikibalt wrote:
Counter-puncher wrote:quick question for west cost fans about Bobby Chacon

i never heard if he had problems with his hands or not but watching the old clasics from later in his career i can't help noticethat he really seems to be pushing his punches out there, and the difference between early and late Chacon seems very pronounced. especially in the left hook his best weapon in his younger days he isn't turning his knuckles over or really getting his shoulder or weight into the punch, it seems to me. plus later in his career he seemed to become a much more right-handed fighter where his left was better when he was younger

can anyone confirm if he had problems with his hands? thanks
C-P, I never knew or heard of Bobby having problems with his hands, maybe Rick can tell us if he did.
thanks, anyone who knows it just strikes me how little weight chacon gets into power punches when he was such a great powerpuncher in his early days

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 10 Oct 2008, 12:04
by bennie
Counter-puncher wrote:
kikibalt wrote:
Counter-puncher wrote:quick question for west cost fans about Bobby Chacon

i never heard if he had problems with his hands or not but watching the old clasics from later in his career i can't help noticethat he really seems to be pushing his punches out there, and the difference between early and late Chacon seems very pronounced. especially in the left hook his best weapon in his younger days he isn't turning his knuckles over or really getting his shoulder or weight into the punch, it seems to me. plus later in his career he seemed to become a much more right-handed fighter where his left was better when he was younger

can anyone confirm if he had problems with his hands? thanks
C-P, I never knew or heard of Bobby having problems with his hands, maybe Rick can tell us if he did.
thanks, anyone who knows it just strikes me how little weight chacon gets into power punches when he was such a great powerpuncher in his early days
I know what you are saying: he's pawing at times but at other times he sets himself for the big right hands you also mention. Boza was iron-jawed, as was Limon, and he put them both down (hard). I always thought Arguello summed up Bobby best when he described him as a "sneaky" fighter.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 10 Oct 2008, 12:14
by Counter-puncher
the later fights with Frias and that tall southpaw its like he's fighting with two broken wrists :o

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 10 Oct 2008, 12:20
by bennie
True, mate. Frias was desperately late in his career, of course, an unpleasant fight to have to sit through. Bobby made Ali in the Holmes fight look fresh and Frias was 'retired' for his own safety afterwards by the California state boxing body.
You're right. Bobby's hands were probably 'shot' by then, along with everything else.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 10 Oct 2008, 12:26
by bennie
bennie wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Image
Les made a comeback in 1978, after six years out. He trained hard for six months and then took on an unknown light-heavyweight by the name of - Dennis Andries.
Les never had much luck.
Can anyone work out what Les has written on this card. "Johnny...

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 10 Oct 2008, 12:31
by Counter-puncher
bennie wrote:True, mate. Frias was desperately late in his career, of course, an unpleasant fight to have to sit through. Bobby made Ali in the Holmes fight look fresh and Frias was 'retired' for his own safety afterwards by the California state boxing body.
You're right. Bobby's hands were probably 'shot' by then, along with everything else.
:-? yep, uncomfortable to watch and think about.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 10 Oct 2008, 12:36
by bennie
The tall southpaw would be Rafael Solis. Freddie Roach has recently admitted that the punches he took in his later fights (one of which was against Chacon, of course) undoubtedly led to his Parkinson's, and Bobby - well, he's happy but he's not in good shape.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 10 Oct 2008, 12:38
by Counter-puncher
solis, thats him nice one. i just remember chacon getting tattooed with all manner of shots but kindof stumbling on and breaking the guy down i think with right hands to the body in about the 5th round.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 10 Oct 2008, 12:51
by bennie
Pompey thumper Tony Oakey looks to get back on track when he takes on unbeaten Welshman Nathan Cleverly for the vacant Commonwealth light-heavyweight title in Liverpool tonight (October 10).
The title was made vacant by Basingstoke's Dean Francis.
Oakey was stopped in nine thrilling rounds by Francis in his last fight in June. The stocky, durable Portsmouth man looked well on his way to victory when the quicker, dangerous Francis, who was badly marked up, suddenly turned it around with some meaty left hooks. Oakey fell apart. It was the first time the 32-year-old Oakey had ever been stopped and you wonder how much the experience has taken out of him.
Cleverly has problems of his own. He left trainer Enzo Calzaghe in the build-up to this (he is now trained by dad Vince), given his promoter F rank Warren and former stablemate Joe Calzaghe are set to embark on a bitter High Court legal battle, and said Cleverly: "I don't want boxing politics to detrimentally affect my boxing career. I cannot take any chances with my career.
"I take boxing very seriously and want to be world champion."
Still only 21, Cleverly is unbeaten in 12 outings since turning pro just three years ago but steps up for this one. He has never done more than eight rounds and was all of 11 years old when Oakey turned pro in September 1998. The gap in experience is immense. Still, the tall, talented Cleverly has the fitness, the workrate, the jab and the quick hands and feet to make life difficult for the stumpy, rather plodding Oakey, who is slow and slow-starting, although Tony has great stamina and is immensely strong - he wears opponents down.
Maybe Cleverly's camp are banking on Francis having softened up Oakey (32, to remind you). Cleverly scored a solid six-round stoppage of Ghanaian Ayittey Powers last year in Cardiff and comes off an eight-round decision over American Antonio Baker in Las Vegas in April (on the Calzaghe-Hopkins show, when all was well). He also outscored rugged Ugandan Joey Vegas recently.
Nathan is definitely maturing and improving, definitely has great potential, but it is hard to overlook those 12 measly fights of his and his recent turmoil outside the ring. Enzo Calzaghe had trained him for the last six years.
Yes, this one might have come too soon for Nathan. Tough Tony forces a decision.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 10 Oct 2008, 14:26
by kikibalt
Jose Napoles

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"Mantequilla"

By Diego

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 10 Oct 2008, 14:29
by kikibalt
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Chico Vejar: Quintessential ‘50s
By Ted Sares:

Boxing survives – and always will -- because its values are as old school as black-‘n’-white trunks: character and pain -- as heroic as a man taking care of his family – just not too sexy.

--Joe Rein

Francis “Chico” Vejar fought through the decade of 1950, ending his great career with a win over Wilf Greaves on March 27, 1961. But it was during the mid-50s that he did his best work.

Chico, out of Stamford, CT., was point counterpoint to another ‘50s fighter by the name of Chuck Davey, a good looking college kid who also had a successful career finishing at 42-5-1. Davey was a white collar favorite if ever there was one, just as Chico was pure blue collar. Both were on the cover of the 1952 Ring Magazine (along with Johnny Saxton, Coley Wallace, George Araujo, and Gil Turner). When the met twice in 1952, the interest was sky high. This fight was reflective of the social stratification that existed back then. In this case, white collar prevailed over lunch bucket as the slick Chuck won both encounters.

Davey vs. Gavilan

After beating both Carmen Basilio and Rocky Graziano, Davey met the great Kid Gavilan in 1953 and all hell broke loose for the Michigan State Graduate. The Kid decked Davey once in the first and three times in the ninth before the slaughter was stopped in the tenth stanza. The Kid was ahead at the time, 49-41, 52-38, and 51-39. For all practical purposes, Davey’s great run had come to an end. He finished his career in 1955 with a win over Alan Kennedy in Lansing, Michigan (where Michigan State University is located), and looked impressive in the process.

Chico

Chico, who some sportswriters called “Stamford's Socking Schoolboy,” was 41-1 when he first lost to Davey, but then would fight 73 more times running up a final tally of 92-20-4, having been stopped only three times. As a testament o just how tough Vejar was, he beat ultra-rugged Jose Monon Gonzalez in his send to last fight in 1960.

The following regarding his level of opposition gives some idea as to this man’s toughness

Opponent Date Record Result

Art Suffoletta 1951 (23-0-1) W

Al Guido 1951 (48-34-16) W

Sonny Luciano 1951 (43-2-2) W

Jimmy Hatcher 1951 (76-21-5 W

Hermie Freeman 1951 (63-18-8) W

Ediie Compo 1951 (65-3-4) L

Enrique Bolanos 1952 (67-15-4) W

Fitzie Pruden 1952 (50-15) W

Chuck Davey 1952 (twice) (32-0-2) L -L

Vince Martinez 1953 (twice) (30-3) W-L

Billy Graham 1955 (twice) (102-14-9) W-W

Johnny Cesario 1955 (87-13-4) W

Vic Cardell 1955 (65-26-7) W

Tony DeMarco 1955 (46-6-1) L

Arthur King 1955 (60-11) L

Kid Gavilan 1956 (104-22-5) L

Steve Marcello 1956 (33-3) W

Ralph Tiger Jones 1957 (43-17-3) L

Joey Giambra 1957 (49-4-1) L

Joey Giardello 1957 (73-13-5) L

Gene Fullmer 1957 (41-4) L

Pat Lowry 1957 (44-13) W

Art Aragon 1958 (79-16-5) L

Armando Muniz 1958 (21-6-3) L

Joe DeNuci 1958 (16-0) W

Joe DeNuci 1959 (19-1) W

Joey Giardello 1959 (82-16-5) L

Miguel Diaz 1959 (49-17-3) W

Vince Martinez 1959 (61-7) L

Luis Manuel Rodriguez 1960 (27-0) L

Andres Antonio Selpa 1960 (80-22-15) D

Jose Monon Gonzalez 1961 (16-3-1) W

Now that’s some tough competition.

American started watching television in the late 1940's, and the Friday Night fights were broadcast weekly by Gillette and Pabst Blue Ribbon from the late ‘40s into the early 1960's. Back when Don Dunphy was commentator, fights like Hairston vs. Keogh, Satterfield vs. Brothers, Rosi vs. Compo, and Castellani vs. Durando thrilled TV audiences everywhere, but no one seemed to fight more often or was more popular than Chico Vejar. If the ‘50s were a wonderful stew of boxing, Chico was clearly part of the meat.'' Bert Randolph Sugar once said “Chico Vejar was served up as much on Friday nights as fish was.''

Here is how Jack Cavanaugh described him in a Nov. 16, 1997 piece entitled, “Out of the Ring, Still Fighting:”

“As a personable, articulate and skillful young fighter who was studying dramatic arts at New York University, Chico Vejar became a huge favorite, a crowd-pleaser with an aggressive style that relied more on skill than punching power. And as he went on winning, he became a main event during boxing's Golden Age, when fights were televised every Wednesday and Friday night.”

But there is more to Chico than toughness; there always was a nobility and great sense of dignity as the following from Stamford High School Wall of Fame affirms:.

“Chico Vejar, Class of 1951. Inducted in 1999 – Sports: Chico Vejar started his professional boxing career when he was a junior at SHS in 1950. Known during the early part of his career as “Stamford’s Socking Schoolboy,” he won 93 of 117 pro bouts, losing 20 and fighting four draws. Chico was the world’s fifth-ranked middleweight in 1958. He fought 11 times at Madison Square Garden and appeared frequently in nationally televised fights. Chico studied drama at New York University and appeared in two movies in the 1950’s that starred Tony Curtis and Audie Murphy. From 1953 to 1955, Chico was in the U.S. Army, where he taught boxing and self-defense and helped train Army Rangers. He returned to Stamford in 1961 at the age of 29 to spend time with his son, Jimmy, who died the following year at age 3 from complications resulting from cerebral palsy. Chico served as executive director of both the Fairfield and Westchester county chapters of the United Cerebral Palsy Association and as a member of the Connecticut State Athletic Commission. He helped establish the Jimmy Vejar Day Camp in Rye Brook, N.Y. for children with cerebral palsy. A portrait of Chico, painted by Stamford native George Dugan, hangs in the Boxing Hall of Fame in Canastota, N.Y.”

In 2006, he was one of six inductees to go into the Connecticut Boxing Hall of Fame on December 1 at the Foxwoods Resort Casino. The hall, formed in 2005, recognizes accomplishments of the state's greatest boxers such as the late Willie Pep, Marlon Starling, Louis "Kid" Kaplan, Bat Battalino and others

The late Ralph Dupas had 135 fights and many were against top level fighters. The same with Dick Tiger and Willie Pastrano whose opponents had astounding combined won-loss records. There were (or are) others who would fight anyone put in front of them. There were guys like Beau Jack, Aldo Minelli, Holly Mims, Yama Bahama, Kenny Lane, Tony Licata, Vito Antuofermo, Tommy Tibbs (who participated in 139 bouts), and Johnny Cesario. And still more like Guts Ishimatsu, Frank Minton, Ray “Sucre” Oliveira, Ben Tackie and Julio Cesar Gonzalez. But in any discussion of warriors who thrilled fans back in the day, none who made his living from boxing was more gallant than Chico Vejar.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 10 Oct 2008, 14:42
by dagosd2000
raylawpc wrote:Hey Roger. Fascinating posts about your family. A lady who is a business partner of mine is "married to the mob," in a roundabout way. Her husband is the son and brother in a New York mob family. As I understand it, when he reached a certain age, he had to make a decision whether to follow in the family business, or do something else. He chose to do something else. He entered academia and just retired as the dean of a college in Oregon. His father was very happy that one of his sons chose to seek a profession outside the family business. She said her earlier years visiting the family were very similar to the opening scenes of the Godfather when the Al Pacino character takes his girlfriend/fiance to his sister's wedding and talks about his family and the people at the wedding. She said the first couple of trips were kind of spooky for a small-town girl from Oregon, but now she looks forward to going to New York and seeing the family at every opportunity. Her early concerns were that, if somebody wanted revenge on her husband's father or brothers, that someone might come out to Oregon and harm her or her husband. But he made it very clear to her that that would not happen; his decision as a teenager to stay out of the family business meant that he need never fear any retribution by the mob for anything his family ever did.

Did anything happen to your father after he killed one of the men who murdered your grandfather?

I am sure your Dad had some fascinating stories about Al Capone.
Tom
My father worked under Sam Giancana. He ran with Chuck Nicoletti and Johnny Roselli. All three were killed in the 70's probably because they were associated with JFK's murder. My father collected money from the slot machines in Calumet City . All this action was supervised by Frank LaPorte. Jackie"The Lackey" Cerone was one of my father's benefactors. More later Tom.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 10 Oct 2008, 16:35
by raylawpc
bennie wrote:
bennie wrote:
kikibalt wrote:Image
Les made a comeback in 1978, after six years out. He trained hard for six months and then took on an unknown light-heavyweight by the name of - Dennis Andries.
Les never had much luck.
Can anyone work out what Les has written on this card. "Johnny...
"Yours in Spirit"

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 10 Oct 2008, 16:38
by raylawpc
dagosd2000 wrote:
raylawpc wrote:Hey Roger. Fascinating posts about your family. A lady who is a business partner of mine is "married to the mob," in a roundabout way. Her husband is the son and brother in a New York mob family. As I understand it, when he reached a certain age, he had to make a decision whether to follow in the family business, or do something else. He chose to do something else. He entered academia and just retired as the dean of a college in Oregon. His father was very happy that one of his sons chose to seek a profession outside the family business. She said her earlier years visiting the family were very similar to the opening scenes of the Godfather when the Al Pacino character takes his girlfriend/fiance to his sister's wedding and talks about his family and the people at the wedding. She said the first couple of trips were kind of spooky for a small-town girl from Oregon, but now she looks forward to going to New York and seeing the family at every opportunity. Her early concerns were that, if somebody wanted revenge on her husband's father or brothers, that someone might come out to Oregon and harm her or her husband. But he made it very clear to her that that would not happen; his decision as a teenager to stay out of the family business meant that he need never fear any retribution by the mob for anything his family ever did.

Did anything happen to your father after he killed one of the men who murdered your grandfather?

I am sure your Dad had some fascinating stories about Al Capone.
Tom
My father worked under Sam Giancana. He ran with Chuck Nicoletti and Johnny Roselli. All three were killed in the 70's probably because they were associated wit JFK's murder. My father collected money from the slot machines in Calumet City . All this action was supervised by Frank LaPorte. Jackie"The Lackey" Cerone was one of my father's benefactors. More later Tom.
It occurred to me after my last post that I've seen where Capone lived at his best and at his worse. Some years ago, I took a boat tour of Miami Beach, and one of the homes on the tour was Al Capone's vacation house in Miami Beach. Then, five years ago, I toured Alcatraz, and saw his cell.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 10 Oct 2008, 17:05
by raylawpc
Roger, a lawyer I know works in a big firm in Chicago as an estate planner. He told me the following story about something that happened to one his partners, and I thought you might enjoy it:

My friend's partner is a business/real estate lawyer in Chicago, and one of his clients is a known member of the Chicago mob. But as we know, the mob has some legitimate business operations, and my friend's partner worked in their legal operations.

One morning, he had an appointment with this mobster/client. But he was late to the appointment after he walked out of his house that morning and discovered that somebody had stolen his car. He had to call his office to have his secretary reschedule the appointment, and, when he and the client met later in the day, the client was none too pleased that his appointment had to be rescheduled. He wanted to know why.

When he was told that somebody stole the lawyer's car, he asked, "Where do you live?"

The lawyer told him, and the client inquired, "What kind of car is it?"

When the lawyer told him the make and model, the client said, "Too bad somebody would steal a car from such a nice neighborhood. . ." And they moved on to other business.

Two mornings later, the lawyer walked out his front door only to find his car parked in the driveway, keys in the ignition, washed and detailed.

Sometimes, who you know really does matter.

Re: Classic American West Coast Boxing

Posted: 10 Oct 2008, 18:18
by dagosd2000
raylawpc wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:
raylawpc wrote:Hey Roger. Fascinating posts about your family. A lady who is a business partner of mine is "married to the mob," in a roundabout way. Her husband is the son and brother in a New York mob family. As I understand it, when he reached a certain age, he had to make a decision whether to follow in the family business, or do something else. He chose to do something else. He entered academia and just retired as the dean of a college in Oregon. His father was very happy that one of his sons chose to seek a profession outside the family business. She said her earlier years visiting the family were very similar to the opening scenes of the Godfather when the Al Pacino character takes his girlfriend/fiance to his sister's wedding and talks about his family and the people at the wedding. She said the first couple of trips were kind of spooky for a small-town girl from Oregon, but now she looks forward to going to New York and seeing the family at every opportunity. Her early concerns were that, if somebody wanted revenge on her husband's father or brothers, that someone might come out to Oregon and harm her or her husband. But he made it very clear to her that that would not happen; his decision as a teenager to stay out of the family business meant that he need never fear any retribution by the mob for anything his family ever did.

Did anything happen to your father after he killed one of the men who murdered your grandfather?

I am sure your Dad had some fascinating stories about Al Capone.
Tom
My father worked under Sam Giancana. He ran with Chuck Nicoletti and Johnny Roselli. All three were killed in the 70's probably because they were associated wit JFK's murder. My father collected money from the slot machines in Calumet City . All this action was supervised by Frank LaPorte. Jackie"The Lackey" Cerone was one of my father's benefactors. More later Tom.
It occurred to me after my last post that I've seen where Capone lived at his best and at his worse. Some years ago, I took a boat tour of Miami Beach, and one of the homes on the tour was Al Capone's vacation house in Miami Beach. Then, five years ago, I toured Alcatraz, and saw his cell.
Tom
Here's a quickie I posted before. My father was in Capone's mother's house when there was a sit down with Capone's lawyers and Frank Nitti. Nitti and Capone were being indicted for tax evasion. Capone's lawyers came up with the usual. Spread the money around in the right places and everything will be OK.

Nitti told the lawyers to let Capone take the rap.
"He's got syphyilis. Let him go. He's no good to us."

After the lawyers left Nitti went up to my dad who was around 15 .He overheard the conversation. Nitti went up to my dad and pushed him against the wall.
"Look punk. You repeat what was said in here and I'll kill you."

My dad divulged the story to me in 1971.