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kikibalt wrote:
Pops fishing Convict Lake

Looks like he found his spot.

My son James fishing SilverLake in the fall, (June Loop).

Frank, these are my two buddies that I grew up with. On the left Keeny Teran's nephew Mike Teran, on the right Ken Robledo. Ken runs the Fish and Game hatchery in Ventura. He's becoming one of the top dogs in the Department of Fish and Game. This photo is from 1979 at Kern river. That's my old Landcruiser.

June Loop in the fall.

kikibalt wrote:
My son James fishing SilverLake in the fall, (June Loop).

Looks cold!

Leaving the house but I'll be back later!

Randy

Randyman wrote:Frank, these are my two buddies that I grew up with. On the left Keeny Teran's nephew Mike Teran, on the right Ken Robledo. Ken runs the Fish and Game hatchery in Ventura. He's becoming one of the top dogs in the Department of Fish and Game. This photo is from 1979 at Kern river. That's my old Landcruiser.

Great photos, Randy, Mike looks like Keeny, from that angle anyway.

Randyman wrote:

kikibalt wrote:
My son James fishing SilverLake in the fall, (June Loop).

Looks cold!

It was very cold that day.... :)

Rush Creek (June Loop)

As long as I'm posting pics of my son I might as well post the girls too. These are my daughters Meranda 30, and Savannah 20 taken earlier this year on Meranda's birthday. I also have two step daughters. As soon as they give me some updated photos I'll post them.

Photograph by Ben Olender and Larry Sharkey
Los Angeles Times

Rams coach Sid Gillman with a "triple threat punch" of Jon Arnett, Ollie Matson and Tom Wilson, July 25, 1959.

My dad, the girl with him, was my brother Mando's girlfriend,I'm sorry to say that I
don't remember her name, she died not long after I shot this pic. (Cancer)

Randyman wrote:As long as I'm posting pics of my son I might as well post the girls too. These are my daughters Meranda 30, and Savannah 20 taken earlier this year on Meranda's birthday. I also have two step daughters. As soon as they give me some updated photos I'll post them.

Good lookin' daughters you have there, Randy, you have to be proud...

kikibalt wrote:

Randyman wrote:

kikibalt wrote:
My son James fishing SilverLake in the fall, (June Loop).

Looks cold!

It was very cold that day.... :)

Speaking of outdoor sports,
I have a good friend whos Father played for the Green Bay Packers in the glory years under Vince Lombardi.Bob Skoronski is his name.He played in one of the most famous NFL games of all, "The Ice Bowl".The Packers beat the Cowboys in 1967or68 in the Championship game in GreenBay in subzero temps.
He was an Offensive tackle and he along with Jerry Kramer and others made the block that allowed Bart Starr to sneak into the endzone and win the game.He wore number 76.
Anyway these two took me duck hunting a couple years ago.
Freezing outside, no ducks anywhere and we are sitting in the blind .I mean it was cold and boring.As the day wore on its getting colder and the thought occured to me that maybe these guys would be willing to call it a day.
I was getting ready to make that suggestion, but then I realized that I was sitting next to the starting offensive tackle who played for Vince Lombardi in that Godforsaken Ice Bowl and I didnt say a word.Needless to say four hours later we decided to head in.
Im still freakin thawing out.

kikibalt wrote:

Randyman wrote:As long as I'm posting pics of my son I might as well post the girls too. These are my daughters Meranda 30, and Savannah 20 taken earlier this year on Meranda's birthday. I also have two step daughters. As soon as they give me some updated photos I'll post them.

Good lookin' daughters you have there, Randy, you have to be proud...

Que Chulada Es El Maiz Prieto

kikibalt wrote:
Photograph by Ben Olender and Larry Sharkey
Los Angeles Times

Rams coach Sid Gillman with a "triple threat punch" of Jon Arnett, Ollie Matson and Tom Wilson, July 25, 1959.

I remember Gilman traded like ten guys to get Ollie Matson from the Chicago Cardinals. Turned out to be a wash. Next year he was coaching the Los Angeles Chargers.

bennie wrote:

Randyman wrote:Just curious. At their peak. In a weather neutral location, not too damp and cold for Bobby and not too hot and dry for Barry, who wins? Both of these guys had good skills and big hearts. Both fighters fought with the fans in mind. I would argue that Bobby fought better overall opponents in his career and would have that edge but I think this is a great "Dream Match".
Randy

Barry's style was all-action, all-aggressive and made for quick burnout, although at his peak he was just too relentless for opponents, and that may have included Bobby. Trouble is, his peak was too short to fully rate him over Chacon. Barry wanted to move up to super-featherweight after licking Pedroza (who had made 19 successful defences) and take on Wilfredo Gomez in MSG, which would have been a dream match and a winnable one (Gomez was over the hill at super-feather) but it didn't happen and Barry's relationship with his manager, already in real jeapardy, went beyond the point of no return.
Ultimately, Bobby was the better, cagier boxer and the sharper one-punch hitter. He certainly had that longevity Rick Farris mentions times and again, and Rick is right. Great fighters are great over a longer period than Barry was great.

Bennie . . . I agree with your post, and let me say that I do not discount the heart, talent or punching power of McGuigan. The win over Pedroza was impressive. There was a time when I thought a Pedroza-Salvador Sanchez fight would have been a great match, but MGuigan whipped him bad. He did the same to Bernard Taylor in a title defense, actually pushing Taylor off the radar as a serious threat to the best in the feather division. But Barry had a few little edges when he fought as champ. One was a very strong fan base in Ireland and England. He was hot, and we felt the heat here. However, it would be the heat of the Nevada desert, an unfamiliar American-Latino crowd, the recent loss of his father (who always pumped his son's emotions over the top with his rendition of "Danny Boy" before the opening bell) and a tough little Texican who wasn't to worried about the heat. Stevie Cruz worked construction in San Antonio, Texas. He worked outside in the summer, when it's well over 100 degress. Anybody from the U.K. that has not aclimated to the desert sun is going to really feel the drain of the desert heat. No edges for Barry in Vegas, in fact, it was the first time he had to deal with a coming into another's hometown without papa, thousands of adoring fans wishing him well from across the Atlantic, but not there to pat his back as he entered the ring. He was kinda like a lone cowboy in hostile Indian territory and he got scalped. Now here is where McGuigan disappointed me, personally. He didn't "get over it". I mean, one loss? Cruz had all the edges that night, and he had nothing to lose. He survived the beginning and won when it got tough for his opponent. The champion would never really try to regain his title. That one night of Hell for Barry was one too many, and Barry was gone. Maybe he's just smarter than most? He knew when enough was enough, however, it's the guys that don't, like Bobby Chacon, who prove themselves all-timer greats. After nine title defenses, Danny Lopez lost badly to Sanchez. He came back and tried to regain it, and he fought Sanchez hard, before again being stopped late in the fight. Danny retired, and we who loved him in the ring and out were very happy. He would try one foolish comeback when he was in his forties, but after an embarrassing result hung 'em for good.

-Rick

kikibalt wrote:
June Loop in the fall.

That white spot in the middle of the pic. is a water fall.

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That was really good article Bennie, thanks for posting it. I can understand how Barry feels, in a very small way. In 1993 when my son Andrew was 11 years old he wanted to box. I was actually excited about it but my wife and mother weren't. I took him to the Brooklyn Street Gym in Boyle Heights. One of the trainers took him on. He was developing nicely and eventually had a fight. I was so nervous leading up to that day. When the fight actually happened I was literally besides myself. I was hollering and screaming. Totally out of character.

On the way to the fight. I was going over a few things with my son. I warned him to be careful when he shook his opponents hand. Sometimes a kid has nervous energy and hits without ever really meaning to. Sure enough as my son reached out with his right hand, the kid threw a right hand, with everything behind it. it landed flush on my sons face. The ref and the crowd were shocked. The fight hadn't even started yet. they were being introduced. Andrew took it well. He just turned and grinned at me as if to say "How did you know" and I of course looked back at him as if to say "I'm you're father, I know everything". He went on to kick the guys ass but I was a nervous wreck.

He continued training, but my son is a musician at heart, and a gifted one at that. He wanted to devote himself to music and that as they was that. He still follows boxing.

Frank, I don't know how you did it. It was stressful for me and it was just one small amateur fight. Maybe I would have grown into it, I don't know.[/quote]






Great story, Randy. I know you are a great father, as is Frank. I have two daughters, age 24 & 22. My oldest is a 2nd year substitute school teacher in Ventura County and the youngest just graduated from San Diego State. The youngest, Kirsten, was a great athlete. A gymnast and swimmer. Today she works as a life guard while attending post grad studies related becoming a physical therapist. When Kirsten was a very young girl, she began competeing in gymnastics, at a Nat'l training facility. I remember watching her on the balance beam one day in a competition. She was a little thing, and attempted this back walk-over, her left foot slightly mis-judged the edge of the beam when she lost sight of it as she leaned back. She fell hard, and I know the way her knee slammed on the beam when she went down hurt her. I was so proud and amazed to see her go down, blink her eyes and jump right to her feet, and climb onto the beam to finish her routine. And she immediatly did the back walk-over in good form. The black and blue swelling on her shin validated to me that when she resumed her routine, she did so hurt. No tears, just heart. That fall cost her points with the judges, but made big points with dad.

-Rick

Rick Farris wrote:

bennie wrote:

Randyman wrote:Just curious. At their peak. In a weather neutral location, not too damp and cold for Bobby and not too hot and dry for Barry, who wins? Both of these guys had good skills and big hearts. Both fighters fought with the fans in mind. I would argue that Bobby fought better overall opponents in his career and would have that edge but I think this is a great "Dream Match".
Randy

Barry's style was all-action, all-aggressive and made for quick burnout, although at his peak he was just too relentless for opponents, and that may have included Bobby. Trouble is, his peak was too short to fully rate him over Chacon. Barry wanted to move up to super-featherweight after licking Pedroza (who had made 19 successful defences) and take on Wilfredo Gomez in MSG, which would have been a dream match and a winnable one (Gomez was over the hill at super-feather) but it didn't happen and Barry's relationship with his manager, already in real jeapardy, went beyond the point of no return.
Ultimately, Bobby was the better, cagier boxer and the sharper one-punch hitter. He certainly had that longevity Rick Farris mentions times and again, and Rick is right. Great fighters are great over a longer period than Barry was great.

Bennie . . . I agree with your post, and let me say that I do not discount the heart, talent or punching power of McGuigan. The win over Pedroza was impressive. There was a time when I thought a Pedroza-Salvador Sanchez fight would have been a great match, but MGuigan whipped him bad. He did the same to Bernard Taylor in a title defense, actually pushing Taylor off the radar as a serious threat to the best in the feather division. But Barry had a few little edges when he fought as champ. One was a very strong fan base in Ireland and England. He was hot, and we felt the heat here. However, it would be the heat of the Nevada desert, an unfamiliar American-Latino crowd, the recent loss of his father (who always pumped his son's emotions over the top with his rendition of "Danny Boy" before the opening bell) and a tough little Texican who wasn't to worried about the heat. Stevie Cruz worked construction in San Antonio, Texas. He worked outside in the summer, when it's well over 100 degress. Anybody from the U.K. that has not aclimated to the desert sun is going to really feel the drain of the desert heat. No edges for Barry in Vegas, in fact, it was the first time he had to deal with a coming into another's hometown without papa, thousands of adoring fans wishing him well from across the Atlantic, but not there to pat his back as he entered the ring. He was kinda like a lone cowboy in hostile Indian territory and he got scalped. Now here is where McGuigan disappointed me, personally. He didn't "get over it". I mean, one loss? Cruz had all the edges that night, and he had nothing to lose. He survived the beginning and won when it got tough for his opponent. The champion would never really try to regain his title. That one night of Hell for Barry was one too many, and Barry was gone. Maybe he's just smarter than most? He knew when enough was enough, however, it's the guys that don't, like Bobby Chacon, who prove themselves all-timer greats. After nine title defenses, Danny Lopez lost badly to Sanchez. He came back and tried to regain it, and he fought Sanchez hard, before again being stopped late in the fight. Danny retired, and we who loved him in the ring and out were very happy. He would try one foolish comeback when he was in his forties, but after an embarrassing result hung 'em for good.

-Rick

Am I wrong in thinking that Cruz went into the McGuigan fight as a substitute?. For some reason I have that in the back of my head.

bennie wrote:

Rick Farris wrote:

Randyman wrote:Just curious. At their peak. In a weather neutral location, not too damp and cold for Bobby and not too hot and dry for Barry, who wins? Both of these guys had good skills and big hearts. Both fighters fought with the fans in mind. I would argue that Bobby fought better overall opponents in his career and would have that edge but I think this is a great "Dream Match".
Randy

With all respect to Barry McGuigan, Bobby Chacon or Danny Lopez both knock him out regardless of where or when the fight is held, and under whatever conditions exist. Barry would fight them hard and make for a great fight, before being put out to pasture for good. After one ass whipping from Stevie Cruz, we never heard of the Irishman again. Even if they were to fight in Wembley, with papa singing "Danny Boy", the L.A. boys tame Barry. Just an educated opinion.


-Rick Farris

Rick, Barry would have beaten Cruz but for the 15th and last. It was a desperately close fight.

Very true, Bennie. However, it seemed to take his heart. What did he do afterwards? You know, I saw Ruben Olivares hand Bobby a devistating KO loss before he ever won a title. But Bobby brushed it off and went on to become a champion. Then I saw Bobby hand Danny Lopez a defeat that would end most careers. However, Danny "got over it" and went on to become a great champ. We know what Danny Lopez did when he hit the deck. With the exception of the Sanchez fights, he always got up and took the other guy out. Bobby would lose again to Olivares, move up in weight and win another title. It isn't about "longevity" so much, as it is what a guy does when he's knocked down, KO'ed, or just whipped. You can't always be good, despite the mindset of the cable geniuses, even the best lose. And if they are truly the best, they come back. Roy Jones exposed himself not by being KOed, but by how he could not come back from it against sub-par oposition in the form of Tarver & Johnson. Cruz was tough, I won't say he was sub-par, but he wasn't in the league of a Lopez or Chacon. Neither was Barry McGuigan. I believe there was another influencing factor related to McGuigan's leaving the scene early and that's Azuma Nelson. I believe that would have been a very bad fight for McGuigan.

-Rick

kikibalt wrote:Diego,

Did you see Renato Garcia in diego? he fought there a few time.


Ricky,

Do you remember Ricky Weigel? he was one of the nicest guys I met in boxing.

If your asking me Frank, no. Never heard of the guy

Rick Farris wrote:

kikibalt wrote:Diego,

Did you see Renato Garcia in diego? he fought there a few time.


Ricky,

Do you remember Ricky Weigel? he was one of the nicest guys I met in boxing.

If your asking me Frank, no. Never heard of the guy

Rick,
I was asking you if you knew or remember Ricky Weigel, he fought some pro fights in the 1970's at the Olympic. He also fought in the local GG's in the 70's., he used to fight for Canto Robledo.