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zojo, wrote:So, not retired.

Zuffa wants Conor do do press tours in Vegas.

Conor wants to cut down on the media responsibilities and focus on training.

Can't they have it both ways?

Conor can stay in Iceland training and still do "media promotion" by giving skype interviews, tweeting ridiculous things, and doing Reddit Q and As.

After all, one Facebook novella that he writes will give him more attention than three visits to Good Mornng Merica, a 30 second clip on SportsCenter, or a visit with Kelly Rippa.
That is not what this is about and that is why it does not make any sense to those who are listening to these lies.Dana is protecting CMac's brand as best he can and CMac is just making up lies to cover for the fact that he came back and said that he would only do the pressers when his new demands are met for UFC 200. Lorenzo called his bluff and CMac missed out on another 10m dollar payday here. The UFC and UFC 200 will go on and make big bucks. They just need a new headliner fight. GSP has been called, Lawlor has been called they are not scrambling. RDA vs. Diaz for the title could happen as well.
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jujigatame wrote:I doubt McGregor's press obligations are any more stringent than Diaz's. He's basically asking for an advantage.
That is not what this is about. CMac's people even called Dana yesterday and now said they would do it for the original terms of the deal and take the sum of around 10m or so when it is all said and done but now Dana and especially Lorenzo have rejected this offer and are moving on. They are teaching him a big lesson. The bottom line is this lying jackass just missed out on around 10m+ dollars. He just missed out on the biggest check in the history of the sport.
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This from Conor's Facebook page:
I am just trying to do my job and fight here.
I am paid to fight. I am not yet paid to promote.
I have become lost in the game of promotion and forgot about the art of fighting.
There comes a time when you need to stop handing out flyers and get back to the damn shop.
50 world tours, 200 press conferences, 1 million interviews, 2 million photo shoots, and at the end of it all I'm left looking down the barrel of a lens, staring defeat in the face, thinking of nothing but my incorrect fight preparation. And the many distractions that led to this.
Nothing else was going through my mind.
It is time to go back and live the life that got me this life.
Sitting in a car on the way to some dump in Conneticut or somewhere, to speak to Tim and Suzie on the nobody gives a fornicate morning show did not get me this life.
Talking to some lady that deep down doesn't give a fornicate about what I'm doing, but just wants some sound bites so she can maybe get her little tight ass a nice raise, and I'm cool with that too, I've been giving you all raises. But I need to focus on me now.
I'm coming for my revenge here.
I flew an entire team to Portugal and to Iceland to make my adjustments in preparation and fix my errors I made with the weight and the cardio prep.
With the right adjustments and the right focus, I will finish what I started in that last fight.
I will not do this if I am back on the road handing out flyers again.
I will always play the game and play it better than anybody, but just for this one, where I am coming off a loss, I asked for some leeway where I can just train and focus. I did not shut down all media requests. I simply wanted a slight adjustment.
But it was denied.
There had been 10 million dollars allocated for the promotion of this event is what they told me.
So as a gesture of good will, I went and not only saved that 10 million dollars in promotion money, I then went and tripled it for them.
And all with one tweet.
Keep that 10 mill to promote the other bums that need it. My shows are good.
I must isolate myself now.
I am facing a taller, longer and heavier man. I need to prepare correctly this time.
I can not dance for you this time.
It is time for the other monkeys to dance. I've danced us all the way here.
Nate's little mush head looks good up on that stage these days. Stuff him in front of the camera for it.
He came in with no shit to do that last one. I'd already done press conferences, interviews and shot the ads before RDA pulled out.
Maybe I'll hit Cabo this time and skull some shots pre-fight with no obligation.
I'm doing what I need for me now.
It is time to be selfish with my training again. It is the only way.
I feel the $400million I have generated for the company in my last three events, all inside 8 months, is enough to get me this slight leeway.
I am still ready to go for UFC 200.
I will offer, like I already did, to fly to New York for the big press conference that was scheduled, and then I will go back into training. With no distractions.
If this is not enough or they feel I have not deserved to sit this promotion run out this one time, well then I don't know what to say.
For the record also -
For USADA and for the UFC and my contract stipulations -
I AM NOT RETIRED.
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Conor trying to strong arm the UFC isn't working. He is delusional if he thinks they owe him more than they have already given him. Sure, he's made them a lot of money, but they have made Conor a lot of money and given him this platform. he is still an employee and is not above anyone. If it's mandatory for everyone else to fulfill mandatory obligations, why should he be the exception? If anything, he is the most important one to be there.

If I'm an employee for a retail company, and I am their highest seller, you better be damn right that I had better be there to pitch a new product.
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The door is ever so slightly open for Diaz and CMac still happening as the main event here. Just barely as CMac has said he would agree to the original terms they talked about when Diaz/ CMac was made. Lorenzo wants to teach CMac a lesson badly though and has already told Dana he let the leash too long with Cmac. Any main event will have to be promoted so they have not lost much in promotion if they turn back to CMac. But do they want to put him in his place?
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So he is moaning about too much press work? His whole career seems to be based on his press work coupled with the easier than usual run of opponents to help build his profile given to him at the start by his employer.

When most of your "fans" follow you based on the car you drive in your latest tweet or instagram pic or the clothes you wear, you've sort of created a rod for your own back!

I'm not a fan of how the UFC works in regards to the money split, when the promoter earns more than the fighter to me that's criminal, but Mcgregor is overstating his importance to the "fight game" ( not sure what that is ) especially as he got beat up in his last fight and forgetting how he forged his fame with his fake media persona.
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Lancenix wrote:
zojo, wrote:So, not retired.

Zuffa wants Conor do do press tours in Vegas.

Conor wants to cut down on the media responsibilities and focus on training.

Can't they have it both ways?

Conor can stay in Iceland training and still do "media promotion" by giving skype interviews, tweeting ridiculous things, and doing Reddit Q and As.

After all, one Facebook novella that he writes will give him more attention than three visits to Good Mornng Merica, a 30 second clip on SportsCenter, or a visit with Kelly Rippa.
That is not what this is about and that is why it does not make any sense to those who are listening to these lies.Dana is protecting CMac's brand as best he can and CMac is just making up lies to cover for the fact that he came back and said that he would only do the pressers when his new demands are met for UFC 200. Lorenzo called his bluff and CMac missed out on another 10m dollar payday here. The UFC and UFC 200 will go on and make big bucks. They just need a new headliner fight. GSP has been called, Lawlor has been called they are not scrambling. RDA vs. Diaz for the title could happen as well.
So, this all just comes down to an argument about money>

I feel like I am watching Die Hard I & III.

After all that, it was just about the money.
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Lancenix wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
zojo, wrote:
This is some pretty good intel.

So, when all is said and done, it was about money and not health concerns?

Whether he is retired or not, the UFC have to stop talking about it and get this out of the headlines. Talk to Conor's folks offline and under the table.

There are currently some rather high profile fights right around the corner that are not getting marketed the longer this squabble stays in the headlines. Let this blow over. Simply wish Conor good luck on his retirement and move on.

DW should just clam up and only talk about Jones, MM vs. Cejudo, the heavyweight title fight next month, etc.
All PPV headliners get a form of PPV shares. Though I'm sure Conor's was higher. Anybody that thinks losing would hurt him that much doesn't remember Chael Sonnen.
No they do not you are wrong once again. CMac is only one of two fighters in the UFC to get PPV shares on all his fights.
Lol, you have no idea what you're talking about. There is always an upside for the main event. Someone like Johnson never sees the buyrate to collect. But it's there every ppv.
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zojo, wrote:
Lancenix wrote:
zojo, wrote:So, not retired.

Zuffa wants Conor do do press tours in Vegas.

Conor wants to cut down on the media responsibilities and focus on training.

Can't they have it both ways?

Conor can stay in Iceland training and still do "media promotion" by giving skype interviews, tweeting ridiculous things, and doing Reddit Q and As.

After all, one Facebook novella that he writes will give him more attention than three visits to Good Mornng Merica, a 30 second clip on SportsCenter, or a visit with Kelly Rippa.
That is not what this is about and that is why it does not make any sense to those who are listening to these lies.Dana is protecting CMac's brand as best he can and CMac is just making up lies to cover for the fact that he came back and said that he would only do the pressers when his new demands are met for UFC 200. Lorenzo called his bluff and CMac missed out on another 10m dollar payday here. The UFC and UFC 200 will go on and make big bucks. They just need a new headliner fight. GSP has been called, Lawlor has been called they are not scrambling. RDA vs. Diaz for the title could happen as well.
So, this all just comes down to an argument about money>

I feel like I am watching Die Hard I & III.

After all that, it was just about the money.
I know the whole entire story from a source of mine in Vegas. After you read it this will all make sense. He writes out West and I have no idea he is on the money with the information.
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SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Lancenix wrote:
SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
All PPV headliners get a form of PPV shares. Though I'm sure Conor's was higher. Anybody that thinks losing would hurt him that much doesn't remember Chael Sonnen.
No they do not you are wrong once again. CMac is only one of two fighters in the UFC to get PPV shares on all his fights.
Lol, you have no idea what you're talking about. There is always an upside for the main event. Someone like Johnson never sees the buyrate to collect. But it's there every ppv.
Cmac is one of two fighters to get PPV shares on all his fights. You are a sad clown dude. You are way out of your league here. Don't make me embarrass you again as I have so many times.
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lillywhite14 wrote:So he is moaning about too much press work? His whole career seems to be based on his press work coupled with the easier than usual run of opponents to help build his profile given to him at the start by his employer.

When most of your "fans" follow you based on the car you drive in your latest tweet or instagram pic or the clothes you wear, you've sort of created a rod for your own back!

I'm not a fan of how the UFC works in regards to the money split, when the promoter earns more than the fighter to me that's criminal, but Mcgregor is overstating his importance to the "fight game" ( not sure what that is ) especially as he got beat up in his last fight and forgetting how he forged his fame with his fake media persona.
That is not what it is about at all. CMac came back and asked for money after agreeing to terms and pissed off Lorenzo and even turned Dana against him. People do not realize that Dana comes off as a bombastic hardass but has bent over backward for many fighters and looked out for them. CMac is one of those guys. Dana is still willing to forgive him here.
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Lancenix wrote:
zojo, wrote:
Lancenix wrote:
That is not what this is about and that is why it does not make any sense to those who are listening to these lies.Dana is protecting CMac's brand as best he can and CMac is just making up lies to cover for the fact that he came back and said that he would only do the pressers when his new demands are met for UFC 200. Lorenzo called his bluff and CMac missed out on another 10m dollar payday here. The UFC and UFC 200 will go on and make big bucks. They just need a new headliner fight. GSP has been called, Lawlor has been called they are not scrambling. RDA vs. Diaz for the title could happen as well.
So, this all just comes down to an argument about money>

I feel like I am watching Die Hard I & III.

After all that, it was just about the money.
I know the whole entire story from a source of mine in Vegas. After you read it this will all make sense. He writes out West and I have no doubt he is on the money with the information. If you wanna hear it let me know.
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I hope Dana doesn't bend on this here. Conor needs to realize that he isn't holding the reins. If he decides to skip out on a mandatory obligation, he needs to get treated like everyone else.

I'm still wondering if this is some big publicity stunt. But, I doubt it. It's going to be an expensive lesson for Conor.
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Who you got:

Cejudo/DJ

Pettis/Barbosa



Some tight match-ups there.

I think DJ's speed and technical superiority should win him the fight. But, if Cejudo can get a hold of him, it should make things interesting

Pettis/Barbosa is an awesome match-up and might be FOTN. Picking Pettis, but won't be surprised if Barbosa out strikes him.
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Lancenix wrote:
Lancenix wrote:
zojo, wrote:
So, this all just comes down to an argument about money>

I feel like I am watching Die Hard I & III.

After all that, it was just about the money.
I know the whole entire story from a source of mine in Vegas. After you read it this will all make sense. He writes out West and I have no doubt he is on the money with the information. If you wanna hear it let me know.

Askren agrees with you.

"At the end of the day it all comes down to money. No one is freaking out about doing a damn press conference 11 weeks away from their fight. It’s about money plain and simple."

http://www.flocombat.com/article/41205- ... ng-overdue
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I got Pettis by TKO and DJ by decision. Pettis could potentially win by submission as well since his ground game is actually excellent and Barboza has been subbed before, but in general I'm just confident that Pettis will win as Barboza consistently falters at the highest level.
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Nice little Bellator action going on tonight with Bendo headlining.
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If it's about press stuff then that's retarded, at the end of the day all fighters(and sportsmen for that matter) are entertainers. They are paid in the same way musicians and actors are, paid for entertaining people part of that is doing things that aren't fighting. Connors success has a huge amount to do with those things and less to do with fighting.
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Michael Page has all the looks of becoming a huge star. As long he keeps winning, he may become the most entertaining "in cage" fighter in MMA.

Koreshkov looks to be the goods. It can get a little fuzzy guaging just how good some of these Bellator guys actually are, but he completely dominated Benson tonight. There was a pretty big size difference, but still. Benson should have entered the organization at LW.

Bellator is really stepping it up with the talent.
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Still tough to tell how big Page's upside is. He has been fighting really low-level opposition.
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jujigatame wrote:Still tough to tell how big Page's upside is. He has been fighting really low-level opposition.
Yeah. I hope he continues to rise, though. He's an interesting character in there.
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Between the boxing and UFC cards, we have a full night of quality combat tonight.
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zojo, wrote:
Lancenix wrote:
Lancenix wrote:
I know the whole entire story from a source of mine in Vegas. After you read it this will all make sense. He writes out West and I have no doubt he is on the money with the information. If you wanna hear it let me know.

Askren agrees with you.

"At the end of the day it all comes down to money. No one is freaking out about doing a damn press conference 11 weeks away from their fight. It’s about money plain and simple."

http://www.flocombat.com/article/41205- ... ng-overdue
That is what this is about. Yesterday Dana said it was not about money at all and then CMac sent out tweets telling everyone it was about money. :lol:
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Benson was owned.... some of the shots he took woulda sparked a lot of men.

Cant wait for cm punk to headline 200

Bellator reaching with 700quid front row vip .. got tix for July be fun
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What tweet did McGregor send out saying that the dispute with the UFC was a money dispute?
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