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He will be able to get it for the fight . He went on a mini rant at the presser , did warren

I found that hard to read because of allegedly fw's red neck views on 'immigrants'.

Yeah, what a nob-cheese Warren is for saying that.

I would say that he's lying, but that implies some kind of deliberate effort to mislead, which I can't prove. So I'll just say that he's mistaken. And he appears uncouth making his egregious point.

Anyone else smell bullshit?

He's had 3 fights here already without problems, maybe somebody is having second thoughts

banjo wrote:Anyone else smell bullshit?

He's had 3 fights here already without problems, maybe somebody is having second thoughts

cool another conspiracy theory

terminator wrote:

banjo wrote:Anyone else smell bullshit?

He's had 3 fights here already without problems, maybe somebody is having second thoughts

cool another conspiracy theory

I thought I'd throw it out before somebody else did

big lennox wrote:I found that hard to read because of allegedly fw's red neck views on 'immigrants'.

He wasn't talking about immigrants he was talking about illegitimate asylum seekers, and this country is a bastard for genuine immigrants but bends over backwards for people who abuse the system, its a national disgrace

But the people that come over here illegally do so in a state of desperation and need help as well.

big lennox wrote:But the people that come over here illegally do so in a state of desperation and need help as well.

Maybe but the fact they pass through god knows how many other countries on the way to ours tells you a lot about how much a soft touch we are

Everyone deserves a good standard of living, and people, with poor backgrounds need help sometimes.As simple as that.

Also, I know first hand how hard it for an illegral immigrant to come here, and its not a bed of roses i.e. being taken away from their homes in the middle of night to be sent to deportation centres (basically like prison camps) with no warning is not an enjoyable experience; signing in to the police station every monday, wednesday and friday mid morning thus making it hard to sustain office jobs is not easy.Take it from me, i've seen people treated appallingly by our officialls, including my old flat mate and former central area light welterweight boxing champion.

big lennox wrote:How compassionate we are? Everyone deserves a good standard of living, and people, with poor backgrounds need help sometimes.As simple as that.

Hear, hear. But respond to the point - why do you think so many traverse dozens of other countries (with similar or even better living standards) to come to the UK?

doctorboxing wrote:

big lennox wrote:But the people that come over here illegally do so in a state of desperation and need help as well.

Maybe but the fact they pass through god knows how many other countries on the way to ours tells you a lot about how much a soft touch we are

they leave France and Italy for Britain. surely we should give them credit for good taste if nothing else ;;-)

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:

big lennox wrote:How compassionate we are? Everyone deserves a good standard of living, and people, with poor backgrounds need help sometimes.As simple as that.

Hear, hear. But respond to the point - why do you think so many traverse dozens of other countries (with similar or even better living standards) to come to the UK?

They come to england as they percieve us to be more lienient and thus able to provide them with more prospects, but the reality is starkly different -see my post above:

big lennox wrote:

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:

big lennox wrote:How compassionate we are? Everyone deserves a good standard of living, and people, with poor backgrounds need help sometimes.As simple as that.

Hear, hear. But respond to the point - why do you think so many traverse dozens of other countries (with similar or even better living standards) to come to the UK?

They come to england as they percieve us to be more lienient and thus able to provide them with more prospects, but the reality is starkly different -see my post above:

If the reality is starkly different (and I'm not saying it isn't) why do so many seem resistant at trying their luck elsewhere? Even France and Italy?

I'd far rather have some Albanian willing to risk everything to get here, willing to leave everything behind because he can make something better of his life, than some dole wallower from the council estates near where I was brought up and my mum lives now.

America built itself into the largest, most powerful economy in the history of the world based on immigration. Why? Because, contrary to what the Sun and the Torygraph will have us believe, immigrants come to hustle and make money, not live on 40 quid a week.

Look at Pakistanis and Indians -- they work every hour that God sends and teach their children to treat education as a gift and a privilege – as opposed to something that must be tolerated until you’re old enough to claim on the social. They work harder than anyone.

More like that please.

Also, people forget that people are an economic resourse. More people helps our demographic problems.

Carbo wrote:Look at Pakistanis and Indians -- they work every hour that God sends and teach their children to treat education as a gift and a privilege – as opposed to something that must be tolerated until you’re old enough to claim on the social. They work harder than anyone.

More like that please.

There's a massive cultural and socio-economic difference in this country between Indians and Pakistanis.

You are as deluded as the Sun if you think this: "teach their children to treat education as a gift and a privilege" applies across the board to Pakistani children (well, any children but particularly Pakistani ones). Ask anyone who has taught in even a half-decent multicultural secondary school.

doctorboxing wrote:

big lennox wrote:But the people that come over here illegally do so in a state of desperation and need help as well.

Maybe but the fact they pass through god knows how many other countries on the way to ours tells you a lot about how much a soft touch we are

Or what the other european nations that they pass through are actually like? Germany? Just look at their history and that will tell you about their stance on people different to themselves. France? See the Somalis getting the shit kicked out of them by French coppers. Italy? See Germany.

At least the majority of Brits are tolerable towards immigrants, I know I am because my family history traces back to other nations and I'm engaged to an immigrant. Immigrants and asylum seekers are treated far better here than they are on the mainland.

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:

Carbo wrote:Look at Pakistanis and Indians -- they work every hour that God sends and teach their children to treat education as a gift and a privilege – as opposed to something that must be tolerated until you’re old enough to claim on the social. They work harder than anyone.

More like that please.

There's a massive cultural and socio-economic difference in this country between Indians and Pakistanis.

You are as deluded as the Sun if you think this: "teach their children to treat education as a gift and a privilege" applies across the board to Pakistani children (well, any children but particularly Pakistani ones). Ask anyone who has taught in even a half-decent multicultural secondary school.

Agreed Ian. Wasn't there a Jon Snow programme on a few months back which highlighted the difference in % of the two communities. It also went into the hardest working in immigrants in England, the ones that brought the most money (American's in the City) etc etc. Shame a some people (not a reference to Carbo) seem to brand the two together.

I actually made two mistakes. One was generalizing with Indians and Pakistanis. The second was generalizing at all.

I did so, however, to make my point that if you want to come to Britain and hustle hard to make a buck, and build a life, then you should be allowed. Simple as.

On another point, and I know one or two have links to the army here, the government ruled that Gurkhas who left the army before 97 couldn't gain UK residency.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/2 ... nt-uk-army

This is plain and simple, a disgrace. If you are willing to put your life on the line for Britain, that is, pay the ultimate sacrifice, you have as much, if not more, right to be in Britain than the average joe. Plus, from what I know about Gurkhas, they're pretty good people, and would be a credit to their communities. Again, I don't have SO much experience, but from what I've seen, they're cool.

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:

Carbo wrote:Look at Pakistanis and Indians -- they work every hour that God sends and teach their children to treat education as a gift and a privilege – as opposed to something that must be tolerated until you’re old enough to claim on the social. They work harder than anyone.

More like that please.

There's a massive cultural and socio-economic difference in this country between Indians and Pakistanis.

You are as deluded as the Sun if you think this: "teach their children to treat education as a gift and a privilege" applies across the board to Pakistani children (well, any children but particularly Pakistani ones). Ask anyone who has taught in even a half-decent multicultural secondary school.

In Bradford they say its against their home rights to ask them to speak English in school Needless to say the more ambitions Pakistani's try not to send their kids to Pakistani dominated schools

Carbo wrote:I'd far rather have some Albanian willing to risk everything to get here, willing to leave everything behind because he can make something better of his life, than some dole wallower from the council estates near where I was brought up and my mum lives now.

America built itself into the largest, most powerful economy in the history of the world based on immigration. Why? Because, contrary to what the Sun and the Torygraph will have us believe, immigrants come to hustle and make money, not live on 40 quid a week..

A lot more piss is taken out of the welfare state than £40 a week mate, I think some scam in London showed a £100k a year

Personally I think immigrants should sign a no welfare state contract and not be able to claim benefits for 5years and our immigation policy should be opened up. Our Asylum Seeker legislation makes sense in theory but its taken the piss out of too much

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:

Carbo wrote:I'd far rather have some Albanian willing to risk everything to get here, willing to leave everything behind because he can make something better of his life, than some dole wallower from the council estates near where I was brought up and my mum lives now.

America built itself into the largest, most powerful economy in the history of the world based on immigration. Why? Because, contrary to what the Sun and the Torygraph will have us believe, immigrants come to hustle and make money, not live on 40 quid a week..

A lot more piss is taken out of the welfare state than £40 a week mate, I think some scam in London showed a £100k a year

Personally I think immigrants should sign a no welfare state contract and not be able to claim benefits for 5years and our immigation policy should be opened up. Our Asylum Seeker legislation makes sense in theory but its taken the piss out of too much

The problem is that you only hear about the bad cases. It's like the so-called XTC scare. People were popping that sh1t like m&ms in clubs all over the country every weekend, and every time one person died, it was all over the paper. It was probably safer in overdose terms than alcohol, yet the way it was presented one would think it was a game of Russian roulette with about the same odds.

Same with immigrants. Clearly, people do take the p1ss, but that's not to say it's the mmajority, or even a significant minority. But when was the last time there was a positive news story about immigrants? When was the last time you saw the Sun do a feel good story about an asylum seeker who made good and actually contributed to the economy and country?

Perhaps they do run, but not nearly as frequently as the more sensationalistic, fear-inducing stories about the scumbags.

For me, the danger is importing organized crime from Eastern Europe, because those mutherfukkers are scary and potentially destructive.

Carbo wrote:I actually made two mistakes. One was generalizing with Indians and Pakistanis. The second was generalizing at all.

I did so, however, to make my point that if you want to come to Britain and hustle hard to make a buck, and build a life, then you should be allowed. Simple as.

On another point, and I know one or two have links to the army here, the government ruled that Gurkhas who left the army before 97 couldn't gain UK residency.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/2 ... nt-uk-army

This is plain and simple, a disgrace. If you are willing to put your life on the line for Britain, that is, pay the ultimate sacrifice, you have as much, if not more, right to be in Britain than the average joe. Plus, from what I know about Gurkhas, they're pretty good people, and would be a credit to their communities. Again, I don't have SO much experience, but from what I've seen, they're cool.

Agree with every word of this. Well said.

I have a little bit of experience in this area with my work and the amount of bollocks that is spouted about asylum seekers is amazing.

The vast, and I mean vast majority come here and want to work, and are very grateful for the help they receive. I for one am proud I live in a country which is willing to help.

The sun and to a lesser extent daily mail are a disgrace

Wrists