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Inexperienced boxers winning ABA titles

Posted: 24 Apr 2009, 06:30
by Counter-puncher
following the Vassell thread and him winning the ABA in his 17th fight or whatever, who are the other ABA champs recently who have won it on minimal experience?

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Re: Inexperienced boxers winning ABA titles

Posted: 24 Apr 2009, 07:43
by Chris W 1982
Tony Bellew won his first one in about his 15th fight. Im sure he'll come on to clarify this. I maybe one or two fights out.

Re: Inexperienced boxers winning ABA titles

Posted: 24 Apr 2009, 07:44
by Counter-puncher
good call, Mark Kaylor won one in his first 20 too i think :TU:

Re: Inexperienced boxers winning ABA titles

Posted: 24 Apr 2009, 07:51
by Chris W 1982
Counter-puncher wrote:good call, Mark Kaylor won one in his first 20 too i think :TU:
Im 95% certain that the record is held by Bellew mate. Im jus tryin to work it out. Im gonna say he won his ABA title in his 14th fight. I stand to be corrected

Re: Inexperienced boxers winning ABA titles

Posted: 24 Apr 2009, 07:52
by My T Sharp
Roy Rutherford may have been one


edit - sorry this isn't a recent one :lol:

Re: Inexperienced boxers winning ABA titles

Posted: 24 Apr 2009, 07:53
by Counter-puncher
The quiet man 2004 wrote:
Counter-puncher wrote:good call, Mark Kaylor won one in his first 20 too i think :TU:
Im 95% certain that the record is held by Bellew mate. Im jus tryin to work it out. Im gonna say he won his ABA title in his 14th fight. I stand to be corrected
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Re: Inexperienced boxers winning ABA titles

Posted: 24 Apr 2009, 07:54
by Chris W 1982
Is Chisora another?

Re: Inexperienced boxers winning ABA titles

Posted: 24 Apr 2009, 08:13
by alectrifyingalex
scott quig won the abas in like 8 fights. then turned pro

Re: Inexperienced boxers winning ABA titles

Posted: 24 Apr 2009, 08:23
by Chris W 1982
alectrifyingalex wrote:scott quig won the abas in like 8 fights. then turned pro
If thats the case then im sure the record will be his. Bellew defo had it tho.

Re: Inexperienced boxers winning ABA titles

Posted: 24 Apr 2009, 08:30
by sweetscience
surely Bellew had more than 14 cause he won the under 10's then under 20 novice having a fair few fights in each, not too mention the possible 5/6 fights in the actaul aba's to win them

i think rutherford hold the record in about 7

Scott Quigg never won the aba's, i dont think he even entered, althou he won the jnrs

Re: Inexperienced boxers winning ABA titles

Posted: 24 Apr 2009, 08:31
by Counter-puncher
I'm loving this thread :TU:

Re: Inexperienced boxers winning ABA titles

Posted: 24 Apr 2009, 08:36
by sweetscience
The quiet man 2004 wrote:Is Chisora another?
thats a good shout because he won the under 10's then went straight to the aba's and with the heavys being a weak division i dont think he would have had more than 3 in each competition

i remember him sparking some 7ft brick shithouse out in the under 10's

Re: Inexperienced boxers winning ABA titles

Posted: 24 Apr 2009, 08:43
by ERIC GUY
Darren fiefield, think he got byes to the semis,

Re: Inexperienced boxers winning ABA titles

Posted: 24 Apr 2009, 09:13
by Chris W 1982
sweetscience wrote:surely Bellew had more than 14 cause he won the under 10's then under 20 novice having a fair few fights in each, not too mention the possible 5/6 fights in the actaul aba's to win them

i think rutherford hold the record in about 7

Scott Quigg never won the aba's, i dont think he even entered, althou he won the jnrs
He had 4 fights the year he first won them. Carroll, Sexton, McDonald and O'Connell. He got a few walkovers in his two Novice successes. If i can remember, he won both Novice titles in about 5/6 fights due to the wlkovers. The rest of his fights were club shows. Believe me, he done it in less then 15 fights.

Re: Inexperienced boxers winning ABA titles

Posted: 24 Apr 2009, 11:01
by Tommy Gunn13
sweetscience wrote:surely Bellew had more than 14 cause he won the under 10's then under 20 novice having a fair few fights in each, not too mention the possible 5/6 fights in the actaul aba's to win them

i think rutherford hold the record in about 7

Scott Quigg never won the aba's, i dont think he even entered, althou he won the jnrs
Rutherford was 9 fights,if my memory serves me correct...

Re: Inexperienced boxers winning ABA titles

Posted: 24 Apr 2009, 11:32
by TerribleTerry
Roy Rutherford certainly held the record when he did it - he was an exceptional athlete and seemlessly converted from points karate into an ABA boxing winner in a matter of months!

Re: Inexperienced boxers winning ABA titles

Posted: 24 Apr 2009, 11:53
by Chris W 1982
We should try and get the correct answer for each weight. We've got Rutherford and Bellew, lets complete the lot.

Re: Inexperienced boxers winning ABA titles

Posted: 24 Apr 2009, 11:56
by scrap iron
I think John McDermott won his ABA title in about 10 or 11 fights. I don't think there were many decent super-heavyweights that year.

Re: Inexperienced boxers winning ABA titles

Posted: 24 Apr 2009, 12:09
by ERIC GUY
Yeah, Mcdermott won on his 8th bout
michael ayers had 14 when he entered

Re: Inexperienced boxers winning ABA titles

Posted: 24 Apr 2009, 12:49
by sweetscience
BIGMARK wrote:i have always enjoyed the amatuer side of the sport and would love to go to ABA finals one day. I fancy a bit of a trip over to the old country to watch boxing at the 2012 games anyone any idea where this going to held? the York Hall seems the obvious venue but maybe its not new enough for the olympic commitee
wembley arena

Re: Inexperienced boxers winning ABA titles

Posted: 24 Apr 2009, 13:53
by Coco
I think Horace Notice had the record for heavy(superheavy now), 10 fights I think, and I think it was Rutherford who beat the record when he did it in 9

Re: Inexperienced boxers winning ABA titles

Posted: 25 Apr 2009, 04:10
by Counter-puncher
Coco wrote:I think Horace Notice had the record for heavy(superheavy now), 10 fights I think, and I think it was Rutherford who beat the record when he did it in 9
my grandad took me to see Horace notice fight, first fight i ever saw :TU:

Re: Inexperienced boxers winning ABA titles

Posted: 25 Apr 2009, 04:24
by bennie
Notice had 19 straight wins, lost to Harold Hylton in the 1982 ABA finals and stuck around for revenge for another year to spark Hylton in the 1983 ABA heavyweight final in the first round (he half-killed poor Harold). Horace also boxed for England a few times (I saw him flatten a Yank on a night in 1983 when he was the only English winner).
Rutherford holds the all-time record for winning an ABA title in the least number of fights: it is 10. Roy could fight and had the kind of head you did not want to run into, but it was a sad day for the amateur game when a kid could be crowned ABA champ in his 10th bout (in 1995 at lightweight). The introduction of headguards in the early 1980s had finally done their dire job.

Re: Inexperienced boxers winning ABA titles

Posted: 25 Apr 2009, 06:28
by Coco
bennie wrote:Notice had 19 straight wins, lost to Harold Hylton in the 1982 ABA finals and stuck around for revenge for another year to spark Hylton in the 1983 ABA heavyweight final in the first round (he half-killed poor Harold). Horace also boxed for England a few times (I saw him flatten a Yank on a night in 1983 when he was the only English winner).
Rutherford holds the all-time record for winning an ABA title in the least number of fights: it is 10. Roy could fight and had the kind of head you did not want to run into, but it was a sad day for the amateur game when a kid could be crowned ABA champ in his 10th bout (in 1995 at lightweight). The introduction of headguards in the early 1980s had finally done their dire job.
In fairness Roy could really fight, the fact he won a British pro title without any real backing from promoters proved that

Re: Inexperienced boxers winning ABA titles

Posted: 25 Apr 2009, 06:33
by Counter-puncher
Coco wrote:
bennie wrote:Notice had 19 straight wins, lost to Harold Hylton in the 1982 ABA finals and stuck around for revenge for another year to spark Hylton in the 1983 ABA heavyweight final in the first round (he half-killed poor Harold). Horace also boxed for England a few times (I saw him flatten a Yank on a night in 1983 when he was the only English winner).
Rutherford holds the all-time record for winning an ABA title in the least number of fights: it is 10. Roy could fight and had the kind of head you did not want to run into, but it was a sad day for the amateur game when a kid could be crowned ABA champ in his 10th bout (in 1995 at lightweight). The introduction of headguards in the early 1980s had finally done their dire job.
In fairness Roy could really fight, the fact he won a British pro title without any real backing from promoters proved that
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