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when was joe calzaghe in a thriller like that you midget muppet with a mullet !!!!

Enzo comes across as a clown, has done since the Lacy fight.

I do agree on one thing , that frochs performance was quite bad skill wise , for whatever reason but i wont judge him on that performance as it was a total change of scene

I don't get how this is sour grapes.

A little in bad taste perhaps, but not sour grapes.

One of the reasons I've not contributed to the Carl Froch's defense was awful threads is because I think that this is the time to give the guy his dues for a great come back and fantastic victory. We can talk defense later.

Calzaghe, on the other hand, needs to be pretty unequivocal, otherwise speculation will mount.

Calzaghe's a bit like a Welsh-Italian Floyd Mayweather senior.

So let's appriase his training technique apart from his born-telented son. Bradley Pryce, Gavin Rees and Enzo Macc all fucked up because of him and his ego. Froch won, end of. Joe has struggled plenty of times against far worse opponents than Taylor. Would Taylor have beaten an old and sad looking JOnes? Course he would even at 175. I'm not a big Froch fan but the fight isn't over and the points don't matter until the bell goes at the end of 12. It didn't so fair play to Froch. Many team have won with an injury time winner haven't they, yet this was inside the normal playoing time.

Enzo is just a stupid, greedy little greaseball.

boxingchat wrote:So let's appriase his training technique apart from his born-telented son. Bradley Pryce, Gavin Rees and Enzo Macc all fucked up because of him and his ego. Froch won, end of. Joe has struggled plenty of times against far worse opponents than Taylor. Would Taylor have beaten an old and sad looking JOnes? Course he would even at 175. I'm not a big Froch fan but the fight isn't over and the points don't matter until the bell goes at the end of 12. It didn't so fair play to Froch. Many team have won with an injury time winner haven't they, yet this was inside the normal playoing time.

Enzo is just a stupid, greedy little greaseball.

Yeah, but he wasn't 12 months ago, was he? You were more than happy to polish the end of his dong while you were both dancing to the tune of Franky boy. The greatest trainer of all time, I tell ya!!!

I've never changed my opinion on him. He's always been grossly overrated.

Enzo used to at least be a little entertaining... but now he just comes accross as a little prick, which to be fair, seems more and more what he actually is.

Ermmmm,byron mitchell springs to mind

The reason Calzaghe was never in that type of contest is because he is far superior to froch and all his rivals,you can say what you want about him being protected and avoiding people,but i'm sure you would agree that he had great skills,fantastic stamina,granite chin,yes he slapped but when he hits people they go down,especially before his hand were so bad,and he never used his head to block punches

metropol wrote:I do agree on one thing , that frochs performance was quite bad skill wise , for whatever reason but i wont judge him on that performance as it was a total change of scene

hell yes, i agree completely, but how many boxers in history have got out of jail with the equaliser, its the most important weapon in a boxers armoury, and the second most importand is heart, and the 3rd most important is chin.....shit, froch has shedloads of those 3. we know he is defensively inept, but he digs deep and comes up with the goods. i said in a post a few days ago, froch could not outbox bryan magee so he was not going to outbox taylor. i think froch has gained a lot of fans for the balls he put on the line the other night, it was fantastic.

it was like a car race, the first half over a racing circuit, the second half over a field. taylor was a ferrari and froch was a 4x4.....

bigjack wrote:The reason Calzaghe was never in that type of contest is because he is far superior to froch and all his rivals,you can say what you want about him being protected and avoiding people,but i'm sure you would agree that he had great skills,fantastic stamina,granite chin,yes he slapped but when he hits people they go down,especially before his hand were so bad,and he never used his head to block punches

Granite Chin?

Being knocked down against 43 year old Hopkins and 40 year old Roy Jones, who are both way way passed it, and who were never known to knock down their opponents, means Joe has a granite chin?

Oh i do say, it's quite the contrary

boxingchat wrote:So let's appriase his training technique apart from his born-telented son. Bradley Pryce, Gavin Rees and Enzo Macc all fucked up because of him and his ego. Froch won, end of. Joe has struggled plenty of times against far worse opponents than Taylor. Would Taylor have beaten an old and sad looking JOnes? Course he would even at 175. I'm not a big Froch fan but the fight isn't over and the points don't matter until the bell goes at the end of 12. It didn't so fair play to Froch. Many team have won with an injury time winner haven't they, yet this was inside the normal playoing time.

Enzo is just a stupid, greedy little greaseball.

bloody hell man, is that you?

When Joe was with SN, you would have not stood for any of us saying that

boxingchat wrote:So let's appriase his training technique apart from his born-telented son. Bradley Pryce, Gavin Rees and Enzo Macc all fucked up because of him and his ego. Froch won, end of. Joe has struggled plenty of times against far worse opponents than Taylor. Would Taylor have beaten an old and sad looking JOnes? Course he would even at 175. I'm not a big Froch fan but the fight isn't over and the points don't matter until the bell goes at the end of 12. It didn't so fair play to Froch. Many team have won with an injury time winner haven't they, yet this was inside the normal playoing time.

Enzo is just a stupid, greedy little greaseball.

Apart from his super talented son, whose talents he honed from a young age, he honed the talents of Pryce and Rees since they were kids. On top of that he took Pryce's two brothers to multi amateur titles and unbeaten(but short) pro careers.
Add on to this other Welsh fighters he took on at a later age, Macca, Cleverly, Lockett, Hope, Docherty, none of them have done badly.
It can't be a coincidence that such talent has been developed from a small South Wales mining town, it's not like Enzo's gym is in the middle of a hotbed of boxing from one of the big cities.
Enzo Cal can pretty much take sole responsibility for the development of this talent and he does not suddenly become a bad trainer because he has fallen out with FW over money

bigjack wrote:The reason Calzaghe was never in that type of contest is because he is far superior to froch and all his rivals,you can say what you want about him being protected and avoiding people,but i'm sure you would agree that he had great skills,fantastic stamina,granite chin,yes he slapped but when he hits people they go down,especially before his hand were so bad,and he never used his head to block punches

come on, he didn't fight anyone of taylor's speed/movement level throughout his career. counter punchers trouble joe, too. see hopkins, jones, starie, reid fights (reid stayed 1/2 a step back and landed counter rights all night). joe could well have had similar problems, if he had fought in the wrong place, if he didn't have every advantage (though having in built advantage EVERY fight is a good job by promoters). joe was somewhat manufactured

joe does have excellent skills, stamina, determination. but i see cracks. his own chin can be caught, and dented. he always takes off the 12th round vs someone good, so many times he gets stung in the 12th by good fighters (eubank, kessler, brewer, even jones).

joe is more skilled, faster, more fluid than froch. however froch punches vastly harder, and has shown the same level of determination, maybe more so, in situations much more adverse.

why didn't joe go and fight taylor in 06 or 07? he could have gone over there, raised his profile. that was the fight he wanted, more than kessler if the articles at the time were true. taylor was drained as a middle, would get stopped by pavlik. taylor proved to be between a rock and a hard place with his weight making. i'll bet calzaghe-taylor oculd well have happened if joe was willing to go over.

to call going over to America on your first defence of the WBC title

and fight the former undisputed middleweight champion - who beat B Hop twice - and even though Froch was behind on the cards - he was competitive Taylor throughout the fight - and then came roaring back in the final round to score by dramatic KO

for Enzo Calzaghe to trash that performance just shows how bitter he is

derspite their success in life - father and son Calzaghe - seem like bitter sods -

I will tell you a crap performance Enzo - your son labouring to 12 rounds against a nobody called Rick Thornberry - nearly 2 years into his title reign - he slapped his way to a very amateur performance and I think it was at cardiff Ice rink as well

Froch has gone to the USA and in the 1st defence made a bold statement with a dramtic KO over a big name in America

I think Calzaghes are just bitter that Froch is doing it a much better way than Calzaghe who had a paper champion reign

yeah fight with thornberry was crap. mundine went on to trash thronberry inside the distance.

i felt the bika fight was the worst of the lost. there joe is, in p4p top 120 at last. deservedly so. and it was one of the most immature performances i've seen. showing off, flailing, sticking his chin out and getting hit on it, feeling bika's strength on inside and falling over, LOL

salem, jiminez, giminez (guy who fought duran in '87!), starie, manfredo, were well below par performances.

joe did well overal, but it was horrible following his career. every time he did something outstandig he followed up with mediocrity. every time he gets us all interested, he winds up taking some groan inducing fight. remmeber when max molyneux went quiet for months during/after joe v RJJ? i think even he had lost interest!

enzo, shut yer cake hole. bet he's trained a fighter for more "bottom feeder" title defences than anyone else (after uli wegner and michael timm)

Enzo almost managed to top his 'Enzo (Mac) would have beaten Haye if it went 12 rounds' comment, with this drivel that he's come out with.

Froch's win over JT is as good as any of Joes single results IMO, maybe barring Kessler, but he's not fought any real top fighters other than JC

Should go back to selling 99s

What a clown. Why can't this guy ever give anyone credit. Everyone who reads this will think he is a tool, because he is.

This is shite of the highest order. Pathetic and childish.

Joe has his day - he pissed most of his career away fighting scrubs, and it's clear that Enzo feels embarrassed that Carl has gone and defended his title away from home against a highly regarded American former undisputed Champ.

I actually think Calzaghe would probably still beat Froch, but if they both think he's so shite, then why not prove it?

observer1 wrote: Granite Chin?

Being knocked down against 43 year old Hopkins and 40 year old Roy Jones, who are both way way passed it, and who were never known to knock down their opponents, means Joe has a granite chin?

Oh i do say, it's quite the contrary

Don't forget Joe was pretty ancient himself by the time he had those fights. I don't think his chin was what it used to be.

I repeat, have a gander at Joe's early title fights with Giminez, Reid, Thornberry, Starie. Would that Joe have beaten someone of Taylor's calibre? Would that Joe have been polished in a hard ight away from home? Joe would have been in life and death also.

When JC was in his prime he wanted Taylor but didn't go for it knowing Taylor would not come to England.

It's all very nice being able to have a WBO title and basically choosing when you feel like being world class, and then fighting opponents who have the right style or age for you to beat them.

I am a huge Calzaghe fan but am disappointed by this trashing of our only world champion after an heroic display. Froch wasn't rude about Calzaghe - he just called him out and I see nothing wrong in that.

Perhaps Calzaghe has forgotten that not so many years ago, people were ridiculing him for being wide open to right hands.

I don't think Froch will ever be the smooth, fast boxer that Calzaghe is, but he is going to be hell to beat and I wouldn't bet against him having a better career. If he keeps doing what a real champion should do: selecting the best possible opponent, then he'll overtake Calzaghe within the next two or three fights - assuming he keeps winning of course.

BIGMARK wrote:forget this is big month Enzo and look at Froch's performence because he has a point.

Taylor is a class act - Froch was fighting on the biggest stage in front of a hostile crowd, and he still managed to knock taylor out. If that's a crap peformance, then what was Calzaghe's against the limited Kabary Salem fighting at home with every conceivable advantage.

The only comparable performance is against Kessler, but even then, Calzaghe had home advantage.

The one time Calzaghe stepped into the lions Den, against Hopkins, Calzaghe looked like absolute dogshit, and was lucky to get the win.

nobby_nobbins wrote:I am a huge Calzaghe fan but am disappointed by this trashing of our only world champion after an heroic display. Froch wasn't rude about Calzaghe - he just called him out and I see nothing wrong in that.

Perhaps Calzaghe has forgotten that not so many years ago, people were ridiculing him for being wide open to right hands.

I don't think Froch will ever be the smooth, fast boxer that Calzaghe is, but he is going to be hell to beat and I wouldn't bet against him having a better career. If he keeps doing what a real champion should do: selecting the best possible opponent, then he'll overtake Calzaghe within the next two or three fights - assuming he keeps winning of course.

Froch will probably not be champ for long - but he'll have a more exciting career while it lasts.