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Not as excited as we should be?
Posted: 28 Apr 2009, 19:03
by whicker
Odd title, eh.
But really, is it just me, or does there just not seem to be the same "buzz" about the upcoming Hatton fight, certainly when compared with the Mayweather one.
I'd say 9/10 "people on the street" wouldn't even know the fight was on at the weekend.
I'm not meaning to be negative, but do you see what I mean?
Re: Not as excited as we should be?
Posted: 28 Apr 2009, 19:09
by exittored
Yeah i do know what you mean although i'd say more than 9/10 people on the street knew about the fight.
I just think the fight lacks a Hero/villain situation or any real tension between the 2 fighters as they genuinely seem to like each other.
You just have to watch the 24/7 and see how much time the Roach/Mayweather rivalry is getting to know HBO are finding it hard to sell the fight based on the Fighters alone!
anyway still a Great Fight though.
Re: Not as excited as we should be?
Posted: 28 Apr 2009, 19:10
by metropol
Its because hatton lost the pbf fight so the general public give up hope same happened with bernard dunne.
Manny isnt as big a name as pbf but i am more excited about this fight , manny is on his way to becoming the best ever from the fillipines . If after this fight he moves to 147 takes on ssm he will have won belts in 4 of the original 8 divisions , i think thats a record
Re: Not as excited as we should be?
Posted: 28 Apr 2009, 19:11
by states
I do. In fact, I was just thinking this earlier. For Mayweather, there was almost blanket media coverage, across print, tv, radio, etc. Now it's true that most of mates have no idea who Pacquaio is, but then again, they didn't have a clue who Mayweather was either, they just picked up on him from all the stuff that was in the papers.
Could be that after Hatton got KO'd against Floyd, the papers are wary of giving him the big build-up again. Although it probably shouldn't be forgotten that the football season is reaching its climax, and no matter how big a fight is, it ain't going to displace Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea etc from the sports pages.
Re: Not as excited as we should be?
Posted: 28 Apr 2009, 19:11
by Gazmac81
Im really looking froward to it , but i notice alot of people on her seem to have went right off hatton
i think it has potential to be a cracker of a fight
Alot of my non Boxing fan friends always are up to wacth the Hatton fight
he rarley in a dull fight as far as im concerned due to his workrate and Manny is no slouch himself
Although i dont think if seen an offical poll on here unless i missed one
whicker wrote:Odd title, eh.
But really, is it just me, or does there just not seem to be the same "buzz" about the upcoming Hatton fight, certainly when compared with the Mayweather one.
I'd say 9/10 "people on the street" wouldn't even know the fight was on at the weekend.
I'm not meaning to be negative, but do you see what I mean?
Re: Not as excited as we should be?
Posted: 28 Apr 2009, 19:25
by Gazmac81
yea thats cause PBF made David Haye seem tame with some of the stuff he was saying to Hatton
Most folk wanted Hatton to waste him
sg1985 wrote:i dont think this has had anywhere near the level of media coverage like mayweather-hatton did, some of my friends who have no interest in boxing stayed up for hatton-pbf, but i dont think they even know if this fight is on.
Re: Not as excited as we should be?
Posted: 28 Apr 2009, 19:27
by TheCobra
Im really looking forward to it and really nervous for the fight. It's a massive event and will sell very well methinks in this country, agree though there's not been half the hype as for Mayweather who played the pantomine villain very well and really did a lot to sell the fight alongside Ricky.
Re: Not as excited as we should be?
Posted: 28 Apr 2009, 19:34
by exittored
Also i just don't think Hatton or Pacman are really the most Charismatic or interesting people to keep the Media churning out stories!
How many times can you write about Hatton's Fart Jokes and his love for Man City and How many times can you mention Pacman's entourage or his early life on the steets! The media needs new stories everyday and only a handful of Boxer's over the years could give them that like Ali, Tyson, Mayweather and lately Haye too.
Re: Not as excited as we should be?
Posted: 28 Apr 2009, 19:35
by TheCobra
exittored wrote:Also i just don't think Hatton or Pacman are really the most Charismatic or interesting people to keep the Media churning out stories!
How many times can you write about Hatton's Fart Jokes and his love for Man City and How many times can you mention Pacman's entourage or his early life on the steets! The media needs new stories everyday and only a handful of Boxer's over the years could give them that like Ali, Tyson, Mayweather and lately Haye too.
Yeh I guess neither are the sort for crazy publicity stunts, more down to earth guys trying to sell themselves as people's champions. I think the major Hatton breakthrough happeend in the Mayweather fight, so now people are so aware of him I guess it is hard to keep churning out the same stories.
Re: Not as excited as we should be?
Posted: 28 Apr 2009, 20:32
by states
Obviously, there's some appeal. The Independent have sent their chief sports writer, James Lawton over for this, and he's done his first piece for todays paper:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/gene ... 75658.html
The word sounds a little solemn on the lips of Ricky Hatton, who has done all of his fighting, and so much of his living, for good or bad, in the moment, but he likes the sound of it and he rolls it around his mouth as though it is a perfectly poured draught of Guinness.
It is Legacy, with that capital L, and as he drives down Las Vegas Boulevard on his fifth assignment here and sees again the neon flashing his name, this time in the company of Manny Pacquiao, the pound-for-pound champion who each day seems to be invested with new and mystical powers, the meaning of it for Hatton, aged 30, has crystallised into some epic detail.
"I'm thinking about my legacy now because I know that while I believe I'm still at my prime there isn't that much time left and I have learnt that a fighter only gets one shot at being something special and it can go very quickly," he says.
"So, yes, I know how I want it to end. I don't think of myself as too long in the tooth, but I'm wiser than I was, and I love it that the odds are so much in favour of Manny Pacquiao. I know I can beat him and then I also know what I want to do after that.
"I want to fight Manuel Marquez, who is rated No 2 pound-for-pound in the world, and then I want to rewrite the Floyd Mayweather Jnr business – maybe at Wembley. That would be a good way to go, that would be some legacy, wouldn't it? And I believe I can do it. And, then, well, you wouldn't see my arse."
Some of the hardest judges would say that Hatton has quite enough on his hands measuring himself against the brilliantly marshalled furies of the little big man Pacquiao, who has turned a cult following in the streets of the Philippines capital Manila into worldwide recognition of his extraordinary power and technique, here on Saturday night. But then it is also true that as Hatton considers the challenge of the Pacman to his Ring Magazine and IBO world junior welterweight titles, his only defeat, by Mayweather, plainly remains utterly central to both his psyche and his strategy.
"I know all of Floyd's qualities, his brilliant defence, the way he throws punches, but I can't get it out of my head that I made it so easy for him. I ran in a straight line and before the fight I got involved in bullshit that really just wasn't me.
"I believe that with the help of Floyd Snr [Mayweather's abrasive and disaffected father] I have got back to the real Ricky Hatton, one who knows how to jab and has good balance – and I know my strength. I look at Manny and I think, 'Why should I worry about his power, he's not big enough to hold me off?' – but then again I'm not planning to just jump down his throat. Of course he is clever, of course he punches well, but the way he comes in after back- pedalling, gives you opportunities and if he misses, well, then, you get a real opportunity. I haven't seen Manny's Plan B."
Hatton's A Plan presumes that the lessons of his one defeat remain vivid enough to prevent him slipping into the traps which Mayweather Jnr exploited so clinically and that if it is indeed so, there is solid evidence that Pacquiao's ability to put away a naturally bigger and stronger man may have been seriously overestimated.
With relish he cites as his chief witness Oscar de la Hoya, the man on whose broken form the Pacman's image of destructiveness was so dramatically augmented last December.
"Oscar has made it clear how bad he felt against Pacquiao, how at one point he was thinking, 'Fire one punch and put me out of my misery.' Oscar had nothing, didn't have a leg under him, and that's how he felt, wishing that he could be put away with one punch. But Manny couldn't throw that punch and when I think of this, of course, it gives me confidence.
"Manny's trainer Freddie Roach is talking about me being put away in three rounds. Freddie is a nice man and normally he doesn't say so much so maybe he's getting a little concerned. Look, I'm not stupid, I know Manny looked good against Oscar, but then why wouldn't he when you think of the reality of how it was, how Oscar was? However you look at it, I'm in a tough fight because you don't get to be the pound-for-pound champion of boxing without having a hell of a lot of ability. But I am going into this feeling better than I have before, and more certain about the way I have to fight.
"Two fights ago I might have thought, 'I'm bigger than him and I'm going to jump down his throat, I'm going to be King Kong, but I know now it can't be as simple as that. I have to recognise how good he is at certain things, bringing you to the punch, leaving you a little short, but I've always been able to cover the ground well, and you know I've never been in better shape.
"In the past they've said I've been too fat or too thin, but not this time. Floyd was delighted by the way I came into camp and when we had our last serious sparring session last Wednesday, and I gave the sparring partners a really torrid time he said, 'It doesn't get any better than this.' Normally, we have another serious session on Friday, but Floyd said, 'No, we're just right.' I haven't become a Buddhist monk overnight, but I'm well prepared for this, I am right."
Right enough, he believes, to give Pacquiao the fight of his life – "Filipino reporters keep asking me, 'How are you going to deal with Manny's power?' and I just say 'fornicate off'" – and build on that legacy which he believes is already not so inconsiderable. "Not many British fighters have been the world's pound-for-pound champion and that would be a tremendous achievement. To be mentioned alongside my heroes like Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank and Barry McGuigan has always been my ambition."
In the meantime, as a rather grander legacy is submitted to the anvil of the Pacman, he reflects on the journey that has taken him from Widnes Leisure Centre to huge box office here. "Sometimes," he says, "I think of Widnes, 12.30, rain pissing down, and then how it was when I brought 35,000 fans here for the Mayweather fight, how I made old Vegas rock and roll. When I think of this it's not been a bad old road."
Whether Manny Pacquiao represents the end of it, as most of boxing suspects, is a possibility that Hatton is defying with some rough and trademarked eloquence. As legacies go, it is not a mean one. It speaks of a fighter who has fought real fights – and has plainly kept his appetite. So, for the absorbing moment at least, you can still feel the beat of that authentic old rock and roll.
The Hitman's record: Ricky in the ring
Richard John Hatton
Born: 6 October, 1978, Stockport.
Height: 5ft 6in.
Reach: 65in
Fights: 46 W45 (32 by KO) L1
Titles held in career:
IBF, IBO Light Welterweight, WBA Welterweight, WBU, WBA Light Welterweight, WBC, WBA, WBO Inter-continental Light Welterweight, Ring Magazine Junior Welterweight.
Not sure I can recall anyone ever saying one of those things I've bolded, it must be said.......
Re: Not as excited as we should be?
Posted: 28 Apr 2009, 20:48
by Khaosai-Galaxy
im not that excited to be honest, ill probably miss it and spend the rest of the day drinking with whores.
Like i did last weekend
Re: Not as excited as we should be?
Posted: 28 Apr 2009, 20:57
by states
I don't think that can ever be condemned as a poor choice though KG.
Re: Not as excited as we should be?
Posted: 28 Apr 2009, 20:59
by Khaosai-Galaxy
im not that excited to be honest, ill probably miss it and spend the rest of the day drinking with some whores (and Oliver Fennell)
ho ho ho
Get out of that one, Rommel....
EDIT
Re: Not as excited as we should be?
Posted: 28 Apr 2009, 21:01
by Khaosai-Galaxy
states wrote:I don't think that can ever be condemned as a poor choice though KG.
Yeah, but these whores were born men.
Re: Not as excited as we should be?
Posted: 28 Apr 2009, 21:03
by states
I can only hope that, under your onslaught, they died men too.
Re: Not as excited as we should be?
Posted: 29 Apr 2009, 04:24
by Autobarn
Perhaps Pac not speaking so good English is the reason why it doesn't feel like a megafight.
Or maybe cos Pacquiao isn't really a light welterweight.
Re: Not as excited as we should be?
Posted: 29 Apr 2009, 04:53
by Adamj1987
Autobarn wrote:Perhaps Pac not speaking so good English is the reason why it doesn't feel like a megafight.
Or maybe cos Pacquiao isn't really a light welterweight.
both true and the fact mayweather had been hyped on british TV before pac man has on been hyped for this and DLH over here really IMO so the public havent really seen the best pacman fights only clips
Re: Not as excited as we should be?
Posted: 29 Apr 2009, 08:35
by MightyWarrior
states wrote:
Hatton: I look at Manny and I think, 'Why should I worry about his power, he's not big enough to hold me off?'
And here's the reason Hatton is taking on the P4P # 1, and the reason he wants Marquez next, and also the reason he shouldn't be daft enough to call himself P4P # 1 if he beats Pacman - as I think he will.
With his logic, you may as well have someone like John Ruiz call himself the top man, if he'd managed to beat Roy Jones.
Re: Not as excited as we should be?
Posted: 29 Apr 2009, 08:41
by tobyh5
sg1985 wrote:definitely, say what you like about pbf but he could drum up interest in a fight.
And there you go, that sums up the difference. Hatton alone does not create interest although he does get a huge following. He is a nice lad - yeah we know, he has stuck to his roots - yeah we know, he is a bit cheeky and funny - yeah we know, he drives a fools and horse van - yeah we know, he likes to drink guinness and stuff his face with pies - yeah we know, his parents go to his fights and his mum drinks vodka - yeah we know.
Basically, like everything, it all becomes a little bit boring after a while, there is no new angle to show of Hatton, he is what he is and without a villian in the other corner, his nice guy routine is just that.
It all looked so much more interesting when it had a contrast.
Re: Not as excited as we should be?
Posted: 29 Apr 2009, 12:25
by stujones
I do also think that no "proper" (I mean "big" four) title is on the line and there is also no real champion and challenger also makes a difference.
The media picked up on Hatton challenging Tszyu and Mayweather... the media are less fussed when a brit is defending a title. Take Hatton vs Castillo.....good fight, but didn't get the recognition it warranted.
Alot of the "lay" boxing fans don't see Hatton as a champion anymore... he lost to Mayweather, lost his belt (even though his belt wasn't on the line) - so whilst Pacquiao is being billed as a champion (P4P champion) he is also being billed as a challenger - and that kind of confuses it. Lots of people thought Mayweather vs Hatton was some kind of unification fight.
Re: Not as excited as we should be?
Posted: 29 Apr 2009, 12:30
by lefthook82
I'm plenty hyped.
Two guys who are not professors of the sweet science, who can be hurt and who will look to land leather and not take a back step
I see alot of people predicting points but I reckon someone falls over and doesnt get up. Something is telling me Pacman wins by a bodyshot
Re: Not as excited as we should be?
Posted: 29 Apr 2009, 12:53
by PaleAssassin
I think thats part of the bigger problem with boxing at the moment. The casual fan doesn't have a clue where fighters stand with regard to titles, who holds which version of what belt, Boxer's fighting for 'The Ring Magazine' title, an now we have 'ordinary & super' being thrown into the mix! At least with other sports such as football (soccer) the casual fan can quickly and easily pick up whats what. Four leagues in descending order & the team that are the top of the 1st league are currently the best. Easy!
With fighters jumping all over divisions, maybe holding three titles but only 1 of them is on the line or none at all, it just adds to the confusion. As mentioned earlier, Im pretty sure most fans don't believe Hatton is a champion anymore.. so there's not much to get hyped up about. I know with the PBF fight, pubs were getting special licence's over here to allow them to stay open specifically for that fight. I've not heard of that happening this time, which is a shame because I actually believe it'll be a far better fight!
Re: Not as excited as we should be?
Posted: 29 Apr 2009, 13:21
by finchy36
I think - as you other fight fans will think - it is gonna be a cracking fight. The problem is that when Hatton fought Mayweather the non-boxing fans were involved. Fvck me, the wife let me book the ppv without a row 'cos she wanted to see it! I agree with earlier posts, there is no bad guy mouthing off which would create interest. I love pac-man but am also a big Hatton fan and I think the majority are of the same opinion.
I hope it's a great fight - but don't ask me to call it - I think Ricky has as much chance as Pac-Man - even though the odds say otherwise
Re: Not as excited as we should be?
Posted: 29 Apr 2009, 13:23
by ArtOfWar
MightyWarrior wrote:states wrote:
Hatton: I look at Manny and I think, 'Why should I worry about his power, he's not big enough to hold me off?'
And here's the reason Hatton is taking on the P4P # 1, and the reason he wants Marquez next, and also the reason he shouldn't be daft enough to call himself P4P # 1 if he beats Pacman - as I think he will.
With his logic, you may as well have someone like John Ruiz call himself the top man, if he'd managed to beat Roy Jones.
For me Hatton is very naive if he truly believes that. Manny has more than enough power to do some serious damage to him. Hatton needs to be fully switched on and shouldn't be making any stupid moves come fight time.
I think the reason there hasn't been as much interest this time is the fact that more people believe Hatton will lose than against Floyd and also the fact that there is no bad guy in this fight as has been mentioned. Going into the Floyd fight the Hatton hype machine was working overtime, and there were absolutely loads of people who thought he'd beat Floyd. This time the majority of people believe Pacquiao is gonna bust him up.
Re: Not as excited as we should be?
Posted: 29 Apr 2009, 13:27
by BundiniBrown.
The truth is a lot of Hatton fanatics got burned and badly hurt when Hatton got wasted by Floyd.
The PBF fight IMO had a racist edge to it real or not it stoked up a lot of emotion with the St Georges Cross brigade......you only had to read the comments on youtube before and after the fight they were well pi$$ed that Ricky got the crap smacked out of him by PBF.
Also i think a lot of the die hard/cheerleading Hatton fan-boys know deep in their heart Hatton is going to get busted by Pac & they don't want to go through the trauma of getting pi$$ed and getting soberd up in double quick time come Sunday Morning..