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Atlas, Psychology and Deliberately Contrarian Predictions

Posted: 02 May 2009, 03:34
by Carbo
I know Teddy Atlas isn't everyone's cuppa Bwoklyn Cwoffy, but I really like him, because he's interesting and erudite.

The other reason I like him is because he was 100% certain that Pacquiao was going to beat DLH. Why? Well, it's all that psychology stuff that Cus drilled into him. He said that basically, DLH is a superb fighter who manages to find a way, somehow, to screw up his biggest fights. He said, basically, that it was in his mental make-up, and he would do it this time. Then, when the weigh-in came. Atlas said, "there you go, he did too much and came in too light." Sure enough, DLH found a way, and Pacquaio had won.

Now, for this fight Atlas has outlined the psychological side of things thus: Pacquaio cannot get any bigger than DLH. That made him a true icon, and sent him into the stratosphere. Perhaps Hatton, while a big fight, is like the fight after the Lord Mayor's Parade. Even if he loses, he's fulfilled his dream -- and that, says Atlas, can be dangerous.

Hatton, on the other hand, he says, was ashamed of the way he lost against Mayweather, and that can either have the effect of bringing doubts or as a driving force. He was also impressed with coming into camp in better shape.

Now, obviously Atlas isn't a pro shrink, but I think in a world where the fight as been analysed to death, this is refreshing and something new to chew on.

A word of warning, though: Atlas has openly admitted that he's "doesn't like making easy picks" and that he knows Pacquiao is the favourite, but wants to "build a case" for Hatton.

Anyway, I just thought I'd give you chaps some more cud to chew while we sit in the shivering, sweaty anticipation of a smack head about to get a hit, waiting for Fight of the Year.

As always, the Secretary will disavow any knowledge of your actions if you or any of your IM Force are caught or killed.

Re: Atlas, Psychology and Deliberately Contrarian Predictions

Posted: 02 May 2009, 04:23
by sendo
I'm leaning a lot more to Hatton. I think there's been too much of a backlash from the DLH fight where it seemed every man and his dog wrote Manny off beforehand. He still has his flaws as a fighter and Hatton is still world class, especially at 140.

Atlas makes a good point about the difference in hunger, Hatton looking for post Mayweather redemption and Manny looking a bit too relaxed and "I've made it" after the DLH fight.

Re: Atlas, Psychology and Deliberately Contrarian Predictions

Posted: 02 May 2009, 05:25
by Counter-puncher
sendo wrote:
Atlas makes a good point about the difference in hunger, Hatton looking for post Mayweather redemption and Manny looking a bit too relaxed and "I've made it" after the DLH fight.
something about the idea of Manny being relaxed, in the ring, in a big fight, sounds abit unlikely to me....

Re: Atlas, Psychology and Deliberately Contrarian Predictions

Posted: 02 May 2009, 05:33
by crusader
search wrote:you obviously have not followed atlass predictions in the past. the guy has a 10% success rate
Ya no kidding. He picked Ray Austin to beat Wlad, Thompson to beat Wlad, Ibragimov to beat Wlad, Kirk Johnson to KO Vitali, Mijares over Vic, Jones over Calzaghe, Kessler over Calzaghe, etc. Atlas picking you is a bad omen.

Its the "Teddy Atlas curse"

Re: Atlas, Psychology and Deliberately Contrarian Predictions

Posted: 02 May 2009, 05:35
by Old bones Ian
Don't get me started on Atlas, he drives me mad. Keeps on repeating the same stuff all the time during a fight.

What gets me even more is he's right 90% of the time!!

certainly knows his stuff

Re: Atlas, Psychology and Deliberately Contrarian Predictions

Posted: 02 May 2009, 09:10
by Scrap
Funny how all D,matos Fighters when the Shit hit the Fan, were all lacking Psychology :DDD

Re: Atlas, Psychology and Deliberately Contrarian Predictions

Posted: 02 May 2009, 09:23
by Jon Saxon
I think that he's a great analist, better than a trainer in fact.

He's pretty spot on at reading a fight methinks.

Re: Atlas, Psychology and Deliberately Contrarian Predictions

Posted: 02 May 2009, 09:26
by banjo
crusader wrote:
search wrote:you obviously have not followed atlass predictions in the past. the guy has a 10% success rate
Ya no kidding. He picked Ray Austin to beat Wlad, Thompson to beat Wlad, Ibragimov to beat Wlad, Kirk Johnson to KO Vitali, Mijares over Vic, Jones over Calzaghe, Kessler over Calzaghe, etc. Atlas picking you is a bad omen.

Its the "Teddy Atlas curse"
Don't ever listen to Atlas when a Klitschko is involved, he has a complete hatred of them and will always pick against them.

Re: Atlas, Psychology and Deliberately Contrarian Predictions

Posted: 02 May 2009, 09:36
by Jon Saxon
banjo wrote:
crusader wrote:
search wrote:you obviously have not followed atlass predictions in the past. the guy has a 10% success rate
Ya no kidding. He picked Ray Austin to beat Wlad, Thompson to beat Wlad, Ibragimov to beat Wlad, Kirk Johnson to KO Vitali, Mijares over Vic, Jones over Calzaghe, Kessler over Calzaghe, etc. Atlas picking you is a bad omen.

Its the "Teddy Atlas curse"
Don't ever listen to Atlas when a Klitschko is involved, he has a complete hatred of them and will always pick against them.
agreed

Re: Atlas, Psychology and Deliberately Contrarian Predictions

Posted: 02 May 2009, 10:04
by E
I can't stand Atlas. ANd I hate his manner not to mention his haircut