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Ambling Alp wrote:Outside of Dempsey, Tunney, and Greb, who was the best fighter from the 1920's?

Some of the notables:

Paul Berlanbach
Sammy Mandell
Jack Delaney
Johnny Dundee
Tiger Flowers
Frankie Genaro
Fidel LaBarba
Benny Leonard
Tommy Loughran
Young Stribling
Lew Tendler
Pancho Villa
Mickey Walker

klompton wrote:I dont think Walker takes a back seat to Leonard in the TWENTIES. Leonard retired less than midway through the decade rather than face Walker.

My picks:

Walker
Loughran
Delaney more for the early part of the decade than the latter part when he wanted to become a heavyweight.

No offense expug but have you checked Carpentiers record in the 1920s? From 1920 until his retirement in 1927 he only beat two world class fighters: Battling Levinsky (in a fight that was heavily rumored to be fixed) and Ted Kid Lewis (Who was outweighed by nearly twenty pounds and would go on to show several times that he could easily still make the welterweight limit... even weighing 138 FOUR years later). Even in his prime Carpentier was overrated but in the 1920s he did nothing to qualify him as one of the greats of that decade. Every name on any of the previous men listed within ten pounds of Carpentiers weight would whip his ass and whip it handily.

klompton wrote:I dont think Walker takes a back seat to Leonard in the TWENTIES. Leonard retired less than midway through the decade rather than face Walker.

klompton wrote:That is your opinion. It is my opinion that Leonard saw the writing on the wall and knew that age was catching up with him fast while Walker was a tremendous fighter in his prime and probably would have been too much for the smaller Leonard.

raylawpc wrote:

klompton wrote:That is your opinion. It is my opinion that Leonard saw the writing on the wall and knew that age was catching up with him fast while Walker was a tremendous fighter in his prime and probably would have been too much for the smaller Leonard.

Then why did he sign to fight Walker, and engage in a tune-up with Pal Moran?

Ox Baker wrote:

raylawpc wrote:

klompton wrote:That is your opinion. It is my opinion that Leonard saw the writing on the wall and knew that age was catching up with him fast while Walker was a tremendous fighter in his prime and probably would have been too much for the smaller Leonard.

Then why did he sign to fight Walker, and engage in a tune-up with Pal Moran?

Because he hadn't gotten injured yet. Hand injuries are death to a boxer. Remember when Floyd Mayweather broke his hand against Famoso Hernandez? It was three years before he could take on a serious challenger, and that injury has plagued him to this day.

klompton wrote:Wait he quit boxing because of a hand injury? "Hand injuries are the death of a boxer?" and you use Mayweather as an example? Last time a checked Mayweather had several fights after publicly disclosing he has bad hands and is currently scheduled to face one of the P4P best fighters in the world. RJJ had notoriously bad hands, as did Tommy Loughran, Harry Greb, Jim Braddock, and countless other fighters. To say hand injuries are death of a fighter is ridiculous, indeed they are fairly common place. Furthermore it wouldnt be the first time that a fighter, or rather his manager, obliged him to a fight he didnt want only for the fighter to pull out. One of the more famous instances of this was when Graziano was signed to fight LaMotta thinking the fight would never come off only to find out that LaMotta was serious about it. Graziano famously punched a tree fracturing his hand to get out of the fight.

klompton wrote: . . . Furthermore it wouldnt be the first time that a fighter, or rather his manager, obliged him to a fight he didnt want only for the fighter to pull out. One of the more famous instances of this was when Graziano was signed to fight LaMotta thinking the fight would never come off only to find out that LaMotta was serious about it. Graziano famously punched a tree fracturing his hand to get out of the fight.

klompton wrote:You can believe whatever you want but if you believe Greb died having surgery performed to fix boxing injuries and somehow those injuries were hand injuries than that just shows exactly how much you know about this era.