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lirva wrote:I was very young when this fight happened but remember watching it. Don't remember too much of it but I was talking to a friend of mine who said Eubank had the fight there for the taking in the 10th round when he had Collins down but didn't push on. My mate basically said Eubank could have easily won the fight there and would have done if not for the Watson experience.

It's not on youtube. Can anybody confirm this??

lirva wrote:would be great if someone could slap it on youtube or something!

Badass wrote:

lirva wrote:would be great if someone could slap it on youtube or something!

Why don't you just buy a copy of the fight instead of asking people to put it up on youtube?

feargalocuinneagain wrote: Collins had a granite chin. He was smiling when that fool dropped him to the canvas. Collins was in no danger!!

feargalocuinneagain wrote: Collins had a granite chin. He was smiling when that fool dropped him to the canvas. Collins was in no danger!!

feargalocuinneagain wrote: Collins had a granite chin. He was smiling when that fool dropped him to the canvas. Collins was in no danger!!

knowitall wrote:

feargalocuinneagain wrote: Collins had a granite chin. He was smiling when that fool dropped him to the canvas. Collins was in no danger!!

I have this on dvd. There was no time in this fight when Collins was even near to being stopped. This is just typical crap that English fans say to make themselves feel better about Eubank losing.

sligobhoy67 wrote:

knowitall wrote:

feargalocuinneagain wrote: Collins had a granite chin. He was smiling when that fool dropped him to the canvas. Collins was in no danger!!

I have this on dvd. There was no time in this fight when Collins was even near to being stopped. This is just typical crap that English fans say to make themselves feel better about Eubank losing.

stup up you - Eubank was washed up and past it when Collin beat him *cough*twice*cough* - and so was Benn!!

banjo wrote:

sligobhoy67 wrote:

knowitall wrote:
I have this on dvd. There was no time in this fight when Collins was even near to being stopped. This is just typical crap that English fans say to make themselves feel better about Eubank losing.

stup up you - Eubank was washed up and past it when Collin beat him *cough*twice*cough* - and so was Benn!!

Actually Benn was shot to poop, that had been obvious since the McLellan fight. Both wins over Eubank were good though although a couple of other fighters could have had a good claim to beating him before Collins did.

But woiy was he defending his turtle

Autobarn wrote:Benn v Eubank and Eubank v Watson were way above domestic fights.

Eubank didn't fight much international comp, but he was in some epic world class battles such as Benn 1, Watson 2, Thompson 1. These fights were more lucrative and classier than, say, Hall v Small or Mitchell v Johanesson (even though I love this latter fight).

I'd call Arthur-Foster Jr a glorified domestic fight without hesistation, but not the Eubank-Benn-Watson fights.

I'd never call Benn just a domestic fighter, as he won his 2 titles away from home, beat the likes of DeWitt, McClellan and Barkley, improved to a draw in Eubank rematch. When Toney took 10 rounds to beat Barkley (9 rds longer than Benn), it made Toney a top 2 "pound for pounder."


Eubank should have been light heavy by the time of the Collins fights. Didn't have the temperament or stamina. Due to funny attitude and bad habits of long time WBO champ, Collins survived and won. Collins had good not great career. OK he beats old Benn and Eubank, but same thing would have happened to him had the Calzaghe fight been made rather than the likes of Craig Cummins...Dem Oirish, dey tink dat Collins was great. But woiy was he defending his turtle vs Craig Cummings? Woi was his getting knocked down by Cummins?

ApolloCreed wrote:

But woiy was he defending his turtle

Pathetic.

mickey1975 wrote:

Autobarn wrote:Benn v Eubank and Eubank v Watson were way above domestic fights.

Eubank didn't fight much international comp, but he was in some epic world class battles such as Benn 1, Watson 2, Thompson 1. These fights were more lucrative and classier than, say, Hall v Small or Mitchell v Johanesson (even though I love this latter fight).

I'd call Arthur-Foster Jr a glorified domestic fight without hesistation, but not the Eubank-Benn-Watson fights.

I'd never call Benn just a domestic fighter, as he won his 2 titles away from home, beat the likes of DeWitt, McClellan and Barkley, improved to a draw in Eubank rematch. When Toney took 10 rounds to beat Barkley (9 rds longer than Benn), it made Toney a top 2 "pound for pounder."


Eubank should have been light heavy by the time of the Collins fights. Didn't have the temperament or stamina. Due to funny attitude and bad habits of long time WBO champ, Collins survived and won. Collins had good not great career. OK he beats old Benn and Eubank, but same thing would have happened to him had the Calzaghe fight been made rather than the likes of Craig Cummins...Dem Oirish, dey tink dat Collins was great. But woiy was he defending his turtle vs Craig Cummings? Woi was his getting knocked down by Cummins?

benn was clearly a world class fighter.as were eubank,watson and collins.the arthur-foster bout just doesent compare.as time passes,people will appreciate how good our super middles were.im not saying they were all timers,but they were very,very good fighters

Terry D wrote:

Autobarn wrote:Benn v Eubank and Eubank v Watson were way above domestic fights.

Eubank didn't fight much international comp, but he was in some epic world class battles such as Benn 1, Watson 2, Thompson 1. These fights were more lucrative and classier than, say, Hall v Small or Mitchell v Johanesson (even though I love this latter fight).

I'd call Arthur-Foster Jr a glorified domestic fight without hesistation, but not the Eubank-Benn-Watson fights.

I'd never call Benn just a domestic fighter, as he won his 2 titles away from home, beat the likes of DeWitt, McClellan and Barkley, improved to a draw in Eubank rematch. When Toney took 10 rounds to beat Barkley (9 rds longer than Benn), it made Toney a top 2 "pound for pounder."


Eubank should have been light heavy by the time of the Collins fights. Didn't have the temperament or stamina. Due to funny attitude and bad habits of long time WBO champ, Collins survived and won. Collins had good not great career. OK he beats old Benn and Eubank, but same thing would have happened to him had the Calzaghe fight been made rather than the likes of Craig Cummins.

Toney broke Iran down, Benn blasted him down, hit him illegally, and The Blade was protesting when losing to the 3-knockdown rule, file it under Dokes-Weaver 1, or Spoon versus Smith 2 (I think it was the rematch, cannot be arsed checking). The performance of Toney in defeating Iran was better than anything Benn, Eubank, even Watson, ever produced in terms of pure boxing technique.

You say yourself that Eubank was in battles with the likes of Benn, Watson, and Thompson, who are/were, in my opinion, domestic fighters, Benn raised his game when thing were stacked in his favour, but the likes of Benn, Eubank, and Collins lived under the grace of the likes of Toney and Jones, who would have spanked the granny out of them had the Brits fancied their chances against top-class prime rump, but they didn't, they just stayed here and smashed one another, Benn aside, who took on some US scraps.

Eubank-Benn-Watson were glorified domestic scraps, witness the Ring centenary record book listing Benn-Eubank 1 as a solid domestic battle, solid, not great, that got the Brits over-excited, they have a point, the fight was good, I've seen far, far better, we got caught up in the event, and it colours our perception of the fight, Edouard-Gibbs is a better fight, in my opinion.

Eubank-Watson I was poor, a terrible anti-climax, and the second fight was all about Chris' flaws, then came the dramtic ending, and the near-sacred status that was then bestowed on Watson's career, including his defusing of Benn, solid enough, but look at McCallum-Watson, and then tell me Watson was world class, what, then, was McCallum? Milky way class?

Eubank can sit around and smile enigmatically when asked if he 'let' Collins and Thompson off the hook, in reality he need to keep winning, he needed that dough, so he would have hammered Steve into the ground, had he had the energy to do so, he didn't, so he couldn't.

Eubank, Benn, and Watson, they gave us great nights, but they were not great fighters, Toney, McCallum, and Jones are/were.

Down the line, when people sit to talk about recent British greats (by that I mean easily top ten in their division) they will talk Lennox Lewis. Joe Calzaghe's name will come up, but SMW boss is akin to being named King Sh*t of Turd Mountain, it is a shallow division, and his LHW exploits are hardly worth mentioning.

Autobarn wrote:Benn v Eubank and Eubank v Watson were way above domestic fights.

Eubank didn't fight much international comp, but he was in some epic world class battles such as Benn 1, Watson 2, Thompson 1. These fights were more lucrative and classier than, say, Hall v Small or Mitchell v Johanesson (even though I love this latter fight).

I'd call Arthur-Foster Jr a glorified domestic fight without hesistation, but not the Eubank-Benn-Watson fights.

I'd never call Benn just a domestic fighter, as he won his 2 titles away from home, beat the likes of DeWitt, McClellan and Barkley, improved to a draw in Eubank rematch. When Toney took 10 rounds to beat Barkley (9 rds longer than Benn), it made Toney a top 2 "pound for pounder."


Eubank should have been light heavy by the time of the Collins fights. Didn't have the temperament or stamina. Due to funny attitude and bad habits of long time WBO champ, Collins survived and won. Collins had good not great career. OK he beats old Benn and Eubank, but same thing would have happened to him had the Calzaghe fight been made rather than the likes of Craig Cummins...Dem Oirish, dey tink dat Collins was great. But woiy was he defending his turtle vs Craig Cummings? Woi was his getting knocked down by Cummins?

sligobhoy67 wrote:

Autobarn wrote:Benn v Eubank and Eubank v Watson were way above domestic fights.

Eubank didn't fight much international comp, but he was in some epic world class battles such as Benn 1, Watson 2, Thompson 1. These fights were more lucrative and classier than, say, Hall v Small or Mitchell v Johanesson (even though I love this latter fight).

I'd call Arthur-Foster Jr a glorified domestic fight without hesistation, but not the Eubank-Benn-Watson fights.

I'd never call Benn just a domestic fighter, as he won his 2 titles away from home, beat the likes of DeWitt, McClellan and Barkley, improved to a draw in Eubank rematch. When Toney took 10 rounds to beat Barkley (9 rds longer than Benn), it made Toney a top 2 "pound for pounder."


Eubank should have been light heavy by the time of the Collins fights. Didn't have the temperament or stamina. Due to funny attitude and bad habits of long time WBO champ, Collins survived and won. Collins had good not great career. OK he beats old Benn and Eubank, but same thing would have happened to him had the Calzaghe fight been made rather than the likes of Craig Cummins...Dem Oirish, dey tink dat Collins was great. But woiy was he defending his turtle vs Craig Cummings? Woi was his getting knocked down by Cummins?

I dont think that Collins was "great" - he was extremely limited. Yet he beat two of Britain's biggest names.

Why was that? is it because Collin actually was great and infact "super great" because he beat these two "superstar" - twice - both twice!? Is it because Benn and Eubank were faded, mere shadows of their former selves? Is it because he got lucky?

Nah, none of those, its because Benn and Eubank werent that good in the first place and Collins had a shovel bigger than both of them - big enough to dig deep and grind the result out - a crackin wee chin didnt do him any harm either!