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If this was a topic,ignore it. But I've thumbed through the threads and don't see it. Anyway who wins this battle?

I honestly think this isn't especially competitive beyond round three or four --- Duran would brutalise him. I think Pacquiao's speed & power make this real exciting for those opening few rounds, but, even though he's progressed a lot since the fight I'm about to mention, it's still valid to me to note how off-put Pacquiao was by Sanchez's drity tactics. Roach had zero answers for it in the corner, & swore they'd never meet again because of the fouling.

Pacquiao's come a long way, & beaten bigger men, but he was hurt, cut, & discouraged at 130lbs. by Marquez. He was out-pointed at the same weight by a sliding (though still capable) Morales. How's he going to cope with one of the greatest Lightweights --- nay, fighting machines --- who ever lived, & one whose fought as high as Middleweight & beyond, no less? A man big enough & bad enough to defeat a prime Leonard on Sugar Ray's own turf (147lbs.) & last the distance against friggin' Middleweight legend Marvin Hagler is the victim of no man who started at Pacquiao's weight --- not even the great Pacquiao himself.

Pacquiao quits in the corner after ten. He looks like absolute hell, & took only the first two rounds. In terms of greatness, Pacquiao is fast catching Duran, in my estimation, though that will upset some --- but he's not catching anything but a beating at 135lbs.

A better, more even contest would be the monster-hitting (but inexperienced) Lightweight version of De La Hoya against the 135lb. Pacquiao. The Pacquiao who fought Diaz against the Lightweight models of Casamayor, Castillo, & Corrales, for that matter, would all be more closely-contested, IMO.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:I honestly think this isn't especially competitive beyond round three or four --- Duran would brutalise him. I think Pacquiao's speed & power make this real exciting for those opening few rounds, but, even though he's progressed a lot since the fight I'm about to mention, it's still valid to me to note how off-put Pacquiao was by Sanchez's drity tactics. Roach had zero answers for it in the corner, & swore they'd never meet again because of the fouling.

Pacquiao's come a long way, & beaten bigger men, but he was hurt, cut, & discouraged at 130lbs. by Marquez. He was out-pointed at the same weight by a sliding (though still capable) Morales. How's he going to cope with one of the greatest Lightweights --- nay, fighting machines --- who ever lived, & one whose fought as high as Middleweight & beyond, no less? A man big enough & bad enough to defeat a prime Leonard on Sugar Ray's own turf (147lbs.) & last the distance against friggin' Middleweight legend Marvin Hagler is the victim of no man who started at Pacquiao's weight --- not even the great Pacquiao himself.

Pacquiao quits in the corner after ten. He looks like absolute hell, & took only the first two rounds. In terms of greatness, Pacquiao is fast catching Duran, in my estimation, though that will upset some --- but he's not catching anything but a beating at 135lbs.

A better, more even contest would be the monster-hitting (but inexperienced) Lightweight version of De La Hoya against the 135lb. Pacquiao. The Pacquiao who fought Diaz against the Lightweight models of Casamayor, Castillo, & Corrales, for that matter, would all be more closely-contested, IMO.

In my opinion that DLH would turn the trick.

Duran by brutal KO by round 6

Goodnight, Irene wrote: Duran would brutalise him. I think Pacquiao's speed & power make this real exciting for those opening few rounds, but, even though he's progressed a lot since the fight I'm about to mention, it's still valid to me to note how off-put Pacquiao was by Sanchez's drity tactics. Roach had zero answers for it in the corner, & swore they'd never meet again because of the fouling.

- Duran may brutalize Manny, but not before going down and having to crawl off the canvas with his marbles intact.

Duran was never as filthy by Augie Sanchez's blatant DQable fouling. The bout was an officiating disgrace with Sanchez, the ref, and two officials deserving of suspensions from boxing. If Dejesus can outbox Duran, a lightning quick southpaw specialty slugger like Manny could engage him in a way he was never accustomed to and pull it off also.

I would favor Duran on his best day when he's serious about his training and focus down to him having more tricks in his bag, but Manny is a whole 'nother ball of wax as far as looking at physical attributes. I noticed in his last two fights which properly were his entry into the superfight category where public hoopla, massive promotion, media speculation, money, and reputation were all at a premium, Manny was the prefight intimidator in a big way in spite of his down home aw shucks smiley sunshine personality.

Guy definitely carries a big stick that other fighters sense outside of the ring in advance. I don't see Duran's 147 and below opponents being much trouble for Manny overall save Leonard, but having to go mano a mano in 7 fights with a prime Barrera, Marquez, and near prime Morales and do what Manny did to them could prove more than the mighty Duran could accomplish. Duran's best prime 7 fight series was against Viruet, Dejesus, and Leonard and he was 5-2, 2 KOs compared to Manny's 5-1-1, 3KO record which should properly be 6-1, 3 KO but for admitted incompetent judging errors.

No, Manny will probably never duplicate Duran's past prime exploits. Few in history ever could duplicate that part of Duran, but then that ain't the thread header question.

i think whatever happened in this fight would be exciting as hell. it's hard to say imo what would happen in this fight because pacquiao is starting to come into his own now. he's not a guy who runs at you with a straight left now, he's becoming at complete fighter. all i know is that this fight would be a classic.

bjermaine wrote:i think whatever happened in this fight would be exciting as hell. it's hard to say imo what would happen in this fight because pacquiao is starting to come into his own now. he's not a guy who runs at you with a straight left now, he's becoming at complete fighter. all i know is that this fight would be a classic.

He is against Marquez. People like to make excuses when fighters don't appear to be in the same form against certain fighters, but it often has more to do with the opponent involved. Pacquiao started to believe his own hype and tried to box with Marquez and was getting absolutely nailed. Steward had it correct when he repeatedly said that Marquez fared better in a boxing match while Pacquiao fared better in a brawl.

Kinda like Vic Darchinyan recently. people were marvelling at his improving focus and boxing skill, but when he was hitting nothing but air with his jab against Agbeko, he had to fall back on his instinctual bomb-throwing.

I'd analyze this matchup but I'm unsure of what to go off of. See, when Duran fought at Lightweight he actually entered the ring under 140 lbs. When Pacquiao was a Lightweight against David Diaz he was actually a full-blown Welterweight at 147, as opposed to being 137 on fight night in the first Marquez fight. So honestly, the most apt comparison would be between the Featherweight version of Pacquiao fighting the Lightweight version of Duran or the current version of Pacquiao versus the Welterweight Duran.

Diamond WEAPON wrote:

bjermaine wrote:i think whatever happened in this fight would be exciting as hell. it's hard to say imo what would happen in this fight because pacquiao is starting to come into his own now. he's not a guy who runs at you with a straight left now, he's becoming at complete fighter. all i know is that this fight would be a classic.

He is against Marquez. People like to make excuses when fighters don't appear to be in the same form against certain fighters, but it often has more to do with the opponent involved. Pacquiao started to believe his own hype and tried to box with Marquez and was getting absolutely nailed. Steward had it correct when he repeatedly said that Marquez fared better in a boxing match while Pacquiao fared better in a brawl.

Kinda like Vic Darchinyan recently. people were marvelling at his improving focus and boxing skill, but when he was hitting nothing but air with his jab against Agbeko, he had to fall back on his instinctual bomb-throwing.

I'd analyze this matchup but I'm unsure of what to go off of. See, when Duran fought at Lightweight he actually entered the ring under 140 lbs. When Pacquiao was a Lightweight against David Diaz he was actually a full-blown Welterweight at 147, as opposed to being 137 on fight night in the first Marquez fight. So honestly, the most apt comparison would be between the Featherweight version of Pacquiao fighting the Lightweight version of Duran or the current version of Pacquiao versus the Welterweight Duran.

i understand the points you make but i believe pacquiao has gotten better since the last marquez fight. he's a two-handed fighter now and he'll need to be if he plans on beating cotto. pacquiao is never going to outbox marquez but he has more weapons now imo. getting back to the original question, duran and pacquiao were destroyers at their best. i think if they had two fights between them, they would split them. how's that for a cop out answer.

Manny would be too fast for Duran.

The shear activity of Pacquiao would be too much to handle and Pacquiao wouldn't stay in front of Duran long enough to land a solid punch.

Realize that Pacquiao beat Morales, Marquez, Hatton, and Barrerra. Three out of the four are spectacular technicians with power. The one (Hatton - it's no secret) was bully... just like Duran. When you got one dimension, I'm sorry to say... but that equals a slaughter against Manny. And did you see his right hook??? Roach is turning this dude into a beast. As long as Pacquiao has the speed, I don't see many fighters beating him. THAT INCLUDES COTTO (and I love Cotto).

-jugg

jugg2000 wrote:Manny would be too fast for Duran.

The shear activity of Pacquiao would be too much to handle and Pacquiao wouldn't stay in front of Duran long enough to land a solid punch.

Realize that Pacquiao beat Morales, Marquez, Hatton, and Barrerra. Three out of the four are spectacular technicians with power. The one (Hatton - it's no secret) was bully... just like Duran. When you got one dimension, I'm sorry to say... but that equals a slaughter against Manny. And did you see his right hook??? Roach is turning this dude into a beast. As long as Pacquiao has the speed, I don't see many fighters beating him. THAT INCLUDES COTTO (and I love Cotto).

-jugg

jugg, i agree that pacquiao would stand a chance against duran but understand that duran was light years better than hatton. i've got a lot of respect for hatton but duran was a special fighter.

Duran by knockout in an entertaining scrap.

Most of Duran's Lightweight title fights went deep, especially against better opponents. If its 12 I'll pick Duran by decision, if its 15 then maybe Duran stops him late.

bjermaine wrote: jugg, i agree that pacquiao would stand a chance against duran but understand that duran was light years better than hatton. i've got a lot of respect for hatton but duran was a special fighter.

Aiight...

I also agree, but I know that they share an attribute tailor made for a fighter like Pacquiao.

I think when Pacquiao destroys Cotto (again, one of my favorite fighters), people will see just how good Pacquiao is. Right now, I just don't see any fighters that can handle his work rate, movement, and overall speed... all that behind power is ridiculous.

-jugg

I Feel Fine wrote:Most of Duran's Lightweight title fights went deep, especially against better opponents. If its 12 I'll pick Duran by decision, if its 15 then maybe Duran stops him late.

Decision how??? Explain what exactly would Duran do to win a decision? I would have respected a possible knock out, but you think Duran by decision? Do you not realize Pacquiao is one speed from round 1 to 12... and I'm certain 15? Duran got beat by Leonard because Leonard boxed him... and really, clowned him the second time around. If Duran got frustrated with Leonard (whom I don't think is better than Pacquiao), imagine what Pacquiao would do... and there won't be no clownin goin on either.


-jugg

Goodnight, Irene wrote:I honestly think this isn't especially competitive beyond round three or four --- Duran would brutalise him. I think Pacquiao's speed & power make this real exciting for those opening few rounds, but, even though he's progressed a lot since the fight I'm about to mention, it's still valid to me to note how off-put Pacquiao was by Sanchez's drity tactics. Roach had zero answers for it in the corner, & swore they'd never meet again because of the fouling.

Pacquiao's come a long way, & beaten bigger men, but he was hurt, cut, & discouraged at 130lbs. by Marquez. He was out-pointed at the same weight by a sliding (though still capable) Morales. How's he going to cope with one of the greatest Lightweights --- nay, fighting machines --- who ever lived, & one whose fought as high as Middleweight & beyond, no less? A man big enough & bad enough to defeat a prime Leonard on Sugar Ray's own turf (147lbs.) & last the distance against friggin' Middleweight legend Marvin Hagler is the victim of no man who started at Pacquiao's weight --- not even the great Pacquiao himself.

Pacquiao quits in the corner after ten. He looks like absolute hell, & took only the first two rounds. In terms of greatness, Pacquiao is fast catching Duran, in my estimation, though that will upset some --- but he's not catching anything but a beating at 135lbs.

A better, more even contest would be the monster-hitting (but inexperienced) Lightweight version of De La Hoya against the 135lb. Pacquiao. The Pacquiao who fought Diaz against the Lightweight models of Casamayor, Castillo, & Corrales, for that matter, would all be more closely-contested, IMO.

Get ahold of yourself, man... *slap, slap*

What ur saying about Duran is what people will say about Pacquiao about 10 to 15 years from now. This may sound corny, but I call this the "Ali Effect". Everybody says "Ali would beat such and such..." and "Ali is the greatest, he'd beat so and so fighter..." The reality is that if Ali would of faced off against a young Tyson, Ali would be Ali no more. Now compare Frazier against Tyson... see the difference? Just because Ali was a PAST great fighter IN HIS DAY... doesn't warrant somebody to assume he'd beat even the least of today's heavyweights.

Ok, Duran was a legend... we got that, but come on... really? He'd beat Pacquiao... really? Gauranteed when we are all old and bent over, we'll be saying Pacquiao, Floyd, Cotto, or whoever else is the greatest. Also, unlike Ali, Duran wasn't the first of his kind. There were many men cut from the same cloth, on the flip side, nobody to date fights like Pacquiao. If hey continues to win and improve, he'll be the biggest legend in our era (next to Tyson).

And I'm not a Pacquiao fan... Ima Marquez and Williams fan. I'm just real with my thinking.

-jugg

Nonsense. Wipe the stars from your eyes. It's more often than not I'm labelling Duran over-rated (he is), but he's not getting beaten by Pacquiao, who's had one Lightweight fight. Pacquiao was hurt by Marquez, for God's sake. Duran would break his heart.

Duran is the bigger man, the heavier hitter, has similarly-impressive handspeed, is rough as fvck, & has beaten all-comers at LW.

jugg2000 wrote:

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Heehaw

Get ahold of yourself, man... *slap, slap*

Careful now. That's a woman you are talking to.

Duran.

Jugg... I'd respond, but I suspect you've never seen a Duran fight... Duran at his peak at Lightweight would out do Pacquiao in every facet of the game.
I think you're suffering from "Tyson effect"... where young greenhorn fans are over impressed by big knockouts against over the hill opponents... whether it be Holmes and Spinks or De La Hoya. Pacquiao went life and death with a passed his best Erik Morales... Duran would show him something.
Duran would have put Ricky Hatton in a coma.

At 135lbs, Duran was so dominant I cannot see the great Manny Pacquiao do something special. Of matter of fact, I don't see Pacman beating these guys at 135:
Joe Brown
Ken Buchanan
Esteban DeJesus
Ismael Laguna
Carlos Ortiz
Julio Cesar Chavez
Aaron Pryor
Ike Williams
Ray Lampkin
Alexis Arguello

All those guys above, and I could mention some more, would beat the crap out of Manny. Is that today's boxing is not good and very terrible.

Wow, I agree with elmer on something... well, I'm sure Pacquiao beats some of those guys, but many of them would beat him in my view.
I should add that Pacquiao should have lost both fights to Marquez... I never like to miss a chance to mention that. Pacquiao isn't even the best Lightweight of this decade, he's not going to be beating any Duran's. Duran became a freaking Middleweight belt holder at 37.
BTW... Ali TKO Tyson in 12...

Pacquiao/Pryor, I'd love to see that fight!

I think Duran wins by unanimous decision. Pacquiao's speed would be his advantage early, but Duran's power will take its toll. I can see Pacquiao getting false confidence for clipping Duran with his punches a bit early, but then Duran would rough him up and let him taste his power. Pacquiao has enough heart to finish, but in the end everybody in the crowd and including all three judges see it unanimously.

jugg2000 wrote:The one (Hatton - it's no secret) was bully... just like Duran. When you got one dimension, I'm sorry to say... but that equals a slaughter against Manny.

I stopped reading you when you referred to Duran as one-dimensionnal.

And I'm not a Pacquiao fan... Ima Marquez and Williams fan. I'm just real with my thinking.

You are not a Pacquiao fan? Then maybe you are a Paquiao nuthugger

Please Duran would have smoked Paquiao at any weight. You talk about Paquiao speed like the difference would have been that much. Duran was pretty fast himself, not to mention way better defensive skills, with plenty of power to go. Maybe we should wait after the Cotto fight and see if Paquiao does stand a chance against Duran. You are so sure that Paquiao is going to KO Cotto; I on the other hand am not. You must be dreaming if you think that Cotto is going to lay down for Paquiao to come and beat him. Cotto is coming to fight and if Paquiao wins then we could talk about a fight versus Duran. As it is there is no doubt on my mind that Duran would have stopped Paquiao.

Your statement that Duran was one-dimensional makes me believe that either you’re not too familiar with the sport of boxing or you have never seen Duran fight.

duran wud punch holes in pacman at lightweight