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It's time for another Hall of Fame Election. The deadline for submitting a ballot is Noon CDT on August 15, 2009. I will total the ballots after that.

A brief summary of the rules for this election:

-A voter can vote for up to 25 names. (If you vote for more than 25, your entire ballot doesn't count.)
-A fighter's last fight has to be before August 15, 1999 to be eligible.
-You can change your vote. Your last vote before the deadline will be the one counted.
-Candidates who are named on atleast 75% of the ballots are elected. If no fighters receive enough votes, the fighter(s) with the most will be elected.
Go to the Boxrec Hall of Fame Sticky (p.2) for more complete rules.

To vote, just list your selections on this thread. (Don't put them on the Hall of Fame Sticky or any other thread.)
It would be appreciated if you list your selections in alphabetical order.

It's a good idea to check every name that other voters have on their ballot. You may find someone that you overlooked.

So far there had a been a good variety of fighters from different era's, weight classes, styles, etc. Hopefully that will continue.

Fighters already elected by Weight Class:

Heavyweight(11)- Ali, Louis, Marciano,Dempsey,Fitzsimmons,Johnson,Jeffries,Frazier,Liston,
Foreman,Sullivan,Corbett

Lightheavyweight(9)-Charles,Moore,Langford,Foster,Tunney,Conn,Harold Johnson,Loughran,Spinks,Marshall,O'Brien


Middleweight(14)-Greb,Monzon,Hagler,Ketchel,Walker,Burley,Cerdan,LaMotta,Tiger,Flowers
Benvenuti,Nonpariel Dempsey,Ryan, Darcy,Williams,Zale

Jr Middleweight(1)-McCallum

Welterweight(10)-Robinson,Ross,Napoles,Griffith, Ray Leonard,Griffith,Benitez,Basilio,Gavilan,
McLarnin,Barbadoes Joe Walcott,Britton, Kid Lewis

Jr. Welterweight(2)-Loi, Locche,Cervantes

Lightweight(8)-Armstrong,Gans,Benny Leonard,Canzoneri,Ambers,Williams,Carlos Ortiz,McFarland
Jr Lightweight(1)-Kid Chocolate

Featherweight(6)-Pep,Saddler,Sanchez,Arguello,Attell,McGovern
Jr Featherweight(1)-Gomez

Bantamweight(7)-Jofre,Brown,Olivares,Zarate,Harada,Manuel Ortiz,Dixon

Super Flyweight(1)-Galaxy

Flyweight(2)-Wilde,Perez,Villa

If you want to make a case for or against someone, feel free to do it on this thread.

Also, voters are encouraged to name one fighter on their ballot that they consider the most worthy and briefly why. You don't have to do this to vote. However, it may help the cause of that fighter.


To get things started here is my ballot:
Sammy Angott
Bat Battalino
Jack "Kid" Berg
Jimmy Bivins
Joe Brown
Miquel Canto
Young Corbett III
Jem Driscoll
Flash Elorde
Gene Fullmer
Joey Giardello
Beau Jack
Johnny Kilbane
Fidel LaBarba
Sammy Mandell
Kid McCoy
Freddie Miller
Bob Montgomery
Dwight Muhammad Qawi
Eusebio Pedroza
Aaron Pryor
Luis Rodriguez
Vincente Saldivar
Young Stribling
Freddie Welsh

Vote responsibly, and lets have some fun!

SAMMY ANGOTT
JIMMY BARRY
JACKIE "KID" BERG
FRANKIE BURNS
YOUNG CORBETT III
JACK DILLON
JIM DRISCOLL
JOEY GIARDELLO
MIKE GIBBONS
TOMMY GIBBONS
BEAU JACK
JOHNNY KILBANE
FIDEL LABARBA
JOHN HENRY LEWIS
SAMMY MANDELL
KID McCOY
FREDDIE MILLER
LUIS RODRIGUEZ
MAXIE ROSENBLOOM
FREDDIE STEELE
YOUNG STRIBLING
LEW TENDLER
FREDDIE WELSH
MIDGET WOLGAST
TEDDY YAROSZ

Sammy Angott
Fred Apostoli
Max Baer
Bat Battalino
Jimmy Barry
Paul Berlenbach
Kid Berg
Miguel Canto
Jack Dillon
Gene Fullmer
ceferino garcia
Ace Hudkins
Beau Jack
Lew Jenkins
Johnny Kilbane
Benny Lynch
Jack McCauliffe
Bob Montgomery
Battling Nelson
Eddie Perkins
Billy Petrolle
Vincente Saldivar
Tom Sharkey
Ad Wolgast
Fritzie Zivic

I will begin with a name that embarrassingly stands out as missing. ..

Ricardo Lopez However he is not eligible and I have been overuled....alas....So.




Max Baer
Harry Wills
Joe Jeanette
Gene Fulmer
Azumah Nelson
Battling Nelson
Ricky Nelson...Nelson Eddy.......dementia moment please disregard...
Jimmy Bivins
Rodrigo Valdez
Vincent Saldivar
Dwight Quawi
Fritzie Zivic
Floyd Patterson
Jersey Joe Walcott
Eusobia Pedroza
Bennie Briscoe
Maxie Rosenbloom
Freddy Steele
Battlling Battalino
Ike Williams
Tony Canzoneri

BoxBuzz wrote:I will begin with a name that embarrassingly stands out as missing.

Ricardo Lopez


I want to get some attention and discussion on this because I can not explain his absence. And I see him on no one's list, I know we are trying to give some of the older generation of fighters their just due, but I think he is hugely deserving. I'll then add to my list at a later date.

Is he eligible according to the rules?

Or don't you bother with that sort of thing, Bobby?

Collins2000 wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:I will begin with a name that embarrassingly stands out as missing.

Ricardo Lopez


I want to get some attention and discussion on this because I can not explain his absence. And I see him on no one's list, I know we are trying to give some of the older generation of fighters their just due, but I think he is hugely deserving. I'll then add to my list at a later date.

Is he eligible according to the rules?

Or don't you bother with that sort of thing, Bobby?

I bother, but having a senior moment, maybe I never even paid attention to the rule... thanks for your caring assist! How many years must they remain in purgatory? Oh never mind.... I see the date....I'll have to edit.....thank god for your attention to detail...or the whole place would come down around us!

BoxBuzz wrote:

Collins2000 wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:I will begin with a name that embarrassingly stands out as missing.

Ricardo Lopez


I want to get some attention and discussion on this because I can not explain his absence. And I see him on no one's list, I know we are trying to give some of the older generation of fighters their just due, but I think he is hugely deserving. I'll then add to my list at a later date.

Is he eligible according to the rules?

Or don't you bother with that sort of thing, Bobby?

I bother, but having a senior moment, maybe I never even paid attention to the rule... thanks for your caring assist! How many years must they remain in purgatory? Oh never mind.... I see the date....I'll have to edit.....thank god for your attention to detail...or the whole place would come down around us!

Nothing wrong with paying attention to detail............................ Perhaps your lack of attention to detail is why you haven't made much progress since you announced you had become a boxing historian. That and the fact that you don't have even the most basic understanding of the fight game.

Yeah but I like the sport a bit. And that makes me special.

However if you insist on continuing to call attention to my weaknesses, I must warn you that I may choose to lash back. I may even resort to rarely utilized double digit length words, direct from the dictionary, specifically designed to put you on the defense. The words I would choose would be potent and powerful and could perhaps tarnish your pristine, sterling and long fought for and some may say earned, premier reputation within these hallowed halls.

I now suggest you reflect, before taking further libelous action in this regard.

Now let's see...where was I before all this Collins nonsense began.....Oh yeah....

Point of Order.

Request for change of rulings.

May we have the qualification date changed to 09-30-2001 or perhaps 1/1/2002 so that fighters who have not fought beyond that date are now eligible?

This would allow Ricardo Lopez to be considered. I think we can safely say that he will not be returning to the ring, and the space of non activity would still seem reasonable.

BoxBuzz wrote:Now let's see...where was I before all this Collins nonsense began.....Oh yeah....

Ah, yes, "Collins nonsense". Hahahaha, pointing out that you don't know what you are talking about. That's "nonsense" now?

You must yearn for the good old days when you, bazza, jimbo and kojoe had that little love-in scene where one twat would post something daft e.g. "my granddad was the best boxer ever" and the other 3 would all say "Yes", "true", "great post". The unspoken understanding was that in return they would then get group support when they posted something just as stupid.

Sorry, Rob, but those days are long gone.

Collins2000 wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:Now let's see...where was I before all this Collins nonsense began.....Oh yeah....

Ah, yes, "Collins nonsense". Hahahaha,

Sorry,

You must learn to be succint, As an assist I have edited out the irrelevant verbiage and left the heart of your reply....Apology of course accepted.

As for atonement I ask for you now to second my very reasonable request of the group to move the "line in the sand" forward by two years. I thank you in advance for your assured support in this vital matter in securing Ricardo his rightful place amongst those boxers who are deserving of recognition.

BoxBuzz wrote:

Collins2000 wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:Now let's see...where was I before all this Collins nonsense began.....Oh yeah....

Ah, yes, "Collins nonsense". Hahahaha,

Sorry,

You must learn to be succint, As an assist I have edited out the irrelevant verbiage and left the heart of your reply....Apology of course accepted.

As for atonement I ask for you now to second my very reasonable request of the group to move the "line in the sand" forward by two years. I thank you in advance for your assured support in this vital matter in securing Ricardo his rightful place amongst those boxers who are deserving of recognition.

See, that's the difference between me and you, Rob.

I would have said "Whoops, my mistake" after I pointed out your erroneous comments re Ricardo Lopez.

You, on the other hand, want to go into a convoluted excuse culminating in collins being labelled a pudendum.

It's pathetic really but I suppose it makes some sense to you.

One thing about gran, Rob. He had your fekkin number, didn't he.

No offense meant. I would however like to open up the voting for Lopez....it's just that simple.....nothing all that complicated. The rest is just ribbin', much lighter fare than you imagine it to be. Sorry if I fouled ya' I'll keep em up in the future. You artist's are always so sensitive.

Now can I count on your support regarding the "Lopez Waiver"?

BoxBuzz wrote:No offense meant. I would however like to open up the voting for Lopez....it's just that simple.....nothing all that complicated. The rest is just ribbin', much lighter fare than you imagine it to be. Sorry if I fouled ya' I'll keep em up in the future. You artist's are always so sensitive.

Now can I count on your support regarding the "Lopez Waiver"?

Yes, if they make Ricardo Lopez eligible I will vote for him.

Compared to some of those fekkers currently being proposed, I have at least seen a bit of him in action.

Of course, if Jose Caramello or whatever his name is ("the very best boy from south america" or summat) gets another glowing mention I might vote for him too.

And Bert, of course.

Max Baer
Jimmy Barry
Jack Kid Berg
Jack Dillon
Jem Driscoll
Gene Fullmer
Mike Gibbons
Tommy Gibbons
Joe Jeanette
Jack McAulliffe
Freddie Miller
Dwight Muhammad Qawi
Kid Norfolk
Floyd Patterson
Aaron Pryor
Maxie Rosenbloom
Jack Sharkey
Freddie Steele
Young Stribling
Jersey Joe Walcott
Freddie Welsh
Harry Wills

This my corrected Ballot

SAMMY ANGOTT
JIMMY BARRY
JACKIE "KID" BERG
YOUNG CORBETT III
JACK DILLON
JIM DRISCOLL
JOEY GIARDELLO
MIKE GIBBONS
TOMMY GIBBONS
YOUNG GRIFFO
BEAU JACK
JOHNNY KILBANE
FIDEL LABARBA
JOHN HENRY LEWIS
SAMMY MANDELL
KID McCOY
FREDDIE MILLER
LUIS RODRIGUEZ
MAXIE ROSENBLOOM
FREDDIE STEELE
YOUNG STRIBLING
LEW TENDLER
FREDDIE WELSH
MIDGET WOLGAST
TEDDY YAROSZ

Jack Berg
Jimmy Bivins
Joe Brown
Newsboy Brown
Miguel Canto
Jack Dillon
Jem Driscoll
Flash Elorde
Gene Fullmer
Frankie Genero
Mike Gibbons
Tommy Gibbons
Beau Jack
Joe Jeanette
Mike O'Dowd
Eusebio Pedroza
Aaron Pryor
Luis Rodriguez
Maxie Rosenbloom
Matthew Saad Muhammad
Lew Tendler
Rodrigo Valdez
Jersey Joe Walcott
Harry Wills
Midget Wolgast

These fighters get my vote for the hall:

Sammy Angott
Jack "Kid" Berg
Jimmy Bivins
Joe Brown
Ken Buchanan
Miguel Canto
Johnny Dundee
Jim Driscoll
Flash Elorde
Gene Fullmer
Beau Jack
Peter Jackson
Willie Joyce
Johnny Kilbane
Ismael Laguna
Benny Lynch
Freddie Miller (long time overviewed...what happened?)
Bob Montgomery
Azumah Nelson
Eusebio Pedroza
Aaron Pryor
Luis Manuel Rodriguez
Vicente Saldivar
Freddie Welsh
Harry Wills

Unfortunately, Azumah fought in the last year or so. I had to delete him when I remembered.

Freddie Miller
Maxie Rosenbloom
Jimmy Slattery

my votes:

jimmy bivins
freddie miller

...no need to make a case. just check boxrec.

collins - boxbuzz is just kidding around with you now. if he chose to match his knowledge of boxing against yours, he'd assist you in your own long going project of making a fool of yourself.

jaclem2 wrote:
collins - boxbuzz is just kidding around with you now. if he chose to match his knowledge of boxing against yours, he'd assist you in your own long going project of making a fool of yourself.

There's plenty of posts for him and you to trawl through, old man.

I think the proof of the pudding is in the trivia thread. Poseurs and frauds like you and him have no luck there.

I admire you trying to help him out. But, fekk old man, you are as hopeless as he is.

..."fek"? what is fek? is that what the kids are calling it now?

..i don't understand your comment about trivia..

jaclem2 wrote:..."fek"? what is fek? is that what the kids are calling it now?

..i don't understand your comment about trivia..

Fekk is an Irish word, Jacko. Look it up.

I realise that you don't understand the trivia. Your attempts at answers in that thread show as much.

......i think i'll just let the word pass.

...trivia..oh yeah....i remember that. as i recall it had a lot of good pictures of boxers from several eras and i think you posted some, for which all of us are gratetful. i knew some , didn't recognize others. for example i didn't recognize jackie kid berg, but i got joe louis right away. i can't post pictures with my computer and i have a few, but not many. i'm sure if i posted pictures i own i would be able to identify all of them.

i confess i don't do well with trivia. boxing history is more in my line.