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Enzo Calzaghe - pot calling the kettle .........
Posted: 06 Aug 2009, 13:39
by the patriot
Apoligies if this has been discussed elsewhere, but I picked up Boxing Monthly today for the first time in many a year. Very impressed, most probably pick it up every month now
ANYWAY !!
In it, is an article on a Khan/Hatton match up and various fight personalities give their take on the outcome. Old Enzo's made my laugh
Enzo Calzaghe (trainer)
Amir proved nothing to me whatsoever against Kotelnik, a guy too slow to capitalise. Okay, he stuck to a plan but, in 12 rounds, I didn't see Khan throw one dominant power punch. I just saw the astute, old-fashioned British way, on his toes, with no intention of finalising the fight. Just pitter-patter and only one in four landed. Nothing great, a running match.
I can't see him beating Ricky Hatton, Ricky Hatton isn't Kotelnik. Ricky punches far harder than Kotelnik. Khan doesn't punch hard enough at light-welter to keep him off and is open to left-hooks. I think Ricky would stop him in eight or nine rounds.
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It's not his view on the result of Khan/Hatton that made me laugh it was this quote ....
".....Just pitter-patter and only one in four landed. Nothing great, a running match."
Remind you of anyone ???
Re: Enzo Calzaghe - pot calling the kettle .........
Posted: 06 Aug 2009, 13:45
by fluxstuff
Joe would stand with them at least - constant motion and he wasn't scared of taking a shot. He threw light shots because his hands were shafted, not because he didn't want to.
Re: Enzo Calzaghe - pot calling the kettle .........
Posted: 06 Aug 2009, 13:50
by the patriot
fluxstuff wrote:Joe would stand with them at least - constant motion and he wasn't scared of taking a shot. He threw light shots because his hands were shafted, not because he didn't want to.
Great fighter that Joe was, I just find it a tad ironic that Enzo was moaning about Khans 'pitter-patter' punches, when for the last god knows how many fights thats exactly what his son did.
Re: Enzo Calzaghe - pot calling the kettle .........
Posted: 06 Aug 2009, 14:24
by whiskey
It amazes me how Khan is fighting to the same script that Joe did.
Carefully picked opponents and smaller, imported bums at the tail end of their careers.
"i'm a legend beater!" said Khan after winning the Barrera fight.
(ok he didn't say it, but you get my drift
)
Re: Enzo Calzaghe - pot calling the kettle .........
Posted: 06 Aug 2009, 14:32
by Wheelchair
Ant Evans wrote:Enzo is insane but that's why he's awesome. The game is all the richer for this Welsh nutter...
He's a cretin. Trainers get far too much credit, it's the fighters that throw the punches!
Re: Enzo Calzaghe - pot calling the kettle .........
Posted: 06 Aug 2009, 14:32
by whiskey
Ant Evans wrote:Enzo is insane but that's why he's awesome. The game is all the richer for this Welsh nutter...
Don't forget his truly incredible input into the rock music scene.
This is one of my all time Enzo classics:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFacWGBJ_cs
Re: Enzo Calzaghe - pot calling the kettle .........
Posted: 06 Aug 2009, 14:47
by mortimeradler
That greasy c*nt is a joke.
Mortimer Adler.
Re: Enzo Calzaghe - pot calling the kettle .........
Posted: 06 Aug 2009, 15:00
by hurlock
dont know how you can call calzaghe a runner???
the only fight was the lacy one which was great in & out boxing,where he mixed it up & got of good combos busting lacy up to a pulp,im not a calzaghe fan,but the guy rolled his sleeves up plenty
Re: Enzo Calzaghe - pot calling the kettle .........
Posted: 06 Aug 2009, 15:45
by hitman_hatton1
yeah i laughed at the pitty patter line.
as if calzaghe never threw any shoeshiners in his career.
Re: Enzo Calzaghe - pot calling the kettle .........
Posted: 07 Aug 2009, 04:26
by youngrell
Enzo has said plenty of shite in the past but I actually agree with him here and I don't think Kahn's approach was anything like I've seen from Calzaghe EVER.
Joe lacked some power and that's why his punches were fast pitter-patter type. Joe always approached a fight with aggression and had a lot of killer instinct, Kahn was just looking to box and circle all night. He wouldn't have stood and traded with Kotelnik, Joe would do that with anyone IMO.
Re: Enzo Calzaghe - pot calling the kettle .........
Posted: 07 Aug 2009, 04:29
by jamesmcdonnell
No way did Calzaghe fight like Khan. Look at Calzaghe's early record, he was mashing people up, he was nowhere near as circumspect as Khan, to compare the two is ridiculous.
Re: Enzo Calzaghe - pot calling the kettle .........
Posted: 07 Aug 2009, 04:37
by Counter-puncher
jamesmcdonnell wrote:No way did Calzaghe fight like Khan. Look at Calzaghe's early record, he was mashing people up, he was nowhere near as circumspect as Khan, to compare the two is ridiculous.
as someone said about Mark Delaney, he looked like a truck had run over him by the time calzaghe had finished with him
Re: Enzo Calzaghe - pot calling the kettle .........
Posted: 07 Aug 2009, 04:52
by jamesmcdonnell
Counter-puncher wrote:jamesmcdonnell wrote:No way did Calzaghe fight like Khan. Look at Calzaghe's early record, he was mashing people up, he was nowhere near as circumspect as Khan, to compare the two is ridiculous.
as someone said about Mark Delaney, he looked like a truck had run over him by the time calzaghe had finished with him
As did Jeff Lacy, the feckers face looked like someone had put it in a sack and then got two fat people to jump up and down on it.
Re: Enzo Calzaghe - pot calling the kettle .........
Posted: 07 Aug 2009, 04:55
by Counter-puncher
and that wreckage was wreaked upon his mug by two Jacobs Crackers inside 12oz gloves
Re: Enzo Calzaghe - pot calling the kettle .........
Posted: 07 Aug 2009, 08:45
by Wales
Joe "straight on his toes" Calzaghe is right, I mean, did you see the way he went into reverse gear after suffering that terrible knockdown against Byron mitchell!!
Incidentally I was screaming for joe to go on the backfoot against Kessler, he engaged to often and came off worse. That uppercut, jesus, Amir would still be down now.
Re: Enzo Calzaghe - pot calling the kettle .........
Posted: 07 Aug 2009, 09:48
by ourkid1984
Enzo is right, Khan didn't really show his power if he has any.....
Khan did box well but that's about all.
On the subject of Joe, Joe was a far superior boxer and fighter than Khan will ever be I think. Joe could do the pita pat thing and he could also scrap with the best of them and I think he had a harder punch than it looked just think his speed was better so he used that to his advantage and plus his hand was injured for his last 10 fights. I compare Joe more to Pac man if anyone at light welter.
Re: Enzo Calzaghe - pot calling the kettle .........
Posted: 07 Aug 2009, 09:54
by jamesmcdonnell
Ask Eubank how hard Calzaghe hits, or Byron mitchell. Later in his career he had to protect his bad hands, but back in the day, whilst never a murderous one punch ko artist, he could bang with the best of them.
I think Khan does have some power, but he is afraid to leverage his punches because if he does, he risks exposing that oh-so-brittle jawbone and then BINGO! Lights out.
Re: Enzo Calzaghe - pot calling the kettle .........
Posted: 07 Aug 2009, 11:24
by Matt W
[quote="Wales"]Joe "straight on his toes" Calzaghe is right, I mean, did you see the way he went into reverse gear after suffering that terrible knockdown against Byron mitchell!!
In fairness to Khan his fighting heart can't be questioned and when hurt he fights back hard. Like Wlad, who recently said something along the lines that he isn't trying to prove his chin because he knows he hasn't got one, Khan has to be more savvy due to his weakness. To have adapted due to this, perhaps contrary to his natural instinct, is to his credit IMO.
Re: Enzo Calzaghe - pot calling the kettle .........
Posted: 07 Aug 2009, 11:56
by Mr. Untouchable
jamesmcdonnell wrote:No way did Calzaghe fight like Khan. Look at
Calzaghe's early record, he was mashing people up, he was nowhere near as circumspect as Khan, to compare the two is ridiculous.
Yea, but Joe fought nobody on Kotelnik's level until a good ways into his career.(Eubank) Kahn has to be given credit for facing the caliber of competition he has and winning the title only 21 fights into his young career.
Re: Enzo Calzaghe - pot calling the kettle .........
Posted: 07 Aug 2009, 11:58
by mortimeradler
Mr. Untouchable wrote:jamesmcdonnell wrote:No way did Calzaghe fight like Khan. Look at
Calzaghe's early record, he was mashing people up, he was nowhere near as circumspect as Khan, to compare the two is ridiculous.
Yea, but Joe fought nobody on Kotelnik's level until a good ways into his career.(Eubank) Kahn has to be given credit for facing the caliber of competition he has and winning the title only 21 fights into his young career.
Agreed. Fair play to Khan for testing himself and seeking out challenges instead of sitting on WBU titles for example. He has a very auspicious career ahead. It's not easy to prognosticate the end result, but one can be certain he will be fighting the best and challenging himself.
Mortimer Adler.
Re: Enzo Calzaghe - pot calling the kettle .........
Posted: 07 Aug 2009, 12:03
by Wheelchair
mortimeradler wrote:Mr. Untouchable wrote:jamesmcdonnell wrote:No way did Calzaghe fight like Khan. Look at
Calzaghe's early record, he was mashing people up, he was nowhere near as circumspect as Khan, to compare the two is ridiculous.
Yea, but Joe fought nobody on Kotelnik's level until a good ways into his career.(Eubank) Kahn has to be given credit for facing the caliber of competition he has and winning the title only 21 fights into his young career.
Agreed. Fair play to Khan for testing himself and seeking out challenges instead of sitting on WBU titles for example. He has a very auspicious career ahead. It's not easy to prognosticate the end result,
but one can be certain he will be fighting the best and challenging himself.
Mortimer Adler.
You MUST be joking!
Re: Enzo Calzaghe - pot calling the kettle .........
Posted: 07 Aug 2009, 12:06
by jamesmcdonnell
Mr. Untouchable wrote:jamesmcdonnell wrote:No way did Calzaghe fight like Khan. Look at
Calzaghe's early record, he was mashing people up, he was nowhere near as circumspect as Khan, to compare the two is ridiculous.
Yea, but Joe fought nobody on Kotelnik's level until a good ways into his career.(Eubank) Kahn has to be given credit for facing the caliber of competition he has and winning the title only 21 fights into his young career.
Joe fought Eubank in his 23rd fight. Even a weight drained Eubank was a very dangerous fighter, as evidenced by the late surge he put on.
It's still, despite the weight issue, one of the best wins of Calzaghe's career, and it was a very impressive performance.
Re: Enzo Calzaghe - pot calling the kettle .........
Posted: 07 Aug 2009, 12:40
by Mr. Untouchable
jamesmcdonnell wrote:Mr. Untouchable wrote:jamesmcdonnell wrote:No way did Calzaghe fight like Khan. Look at
Calzaghe's early record, he was mashing people up, he was nowhere near as circumspect as Khan, to compare the two is ridiculous.
Yea, but Joe fought nobody on Kotelnik's level until a good ways into his career.(Eubank) Kahn has to be given credit for facing the caliber of competition he has and winning the title only 21 fights into his young career.
Joe fought Eubank in his 23rd fight. Even a weight drained Eubank was a very dangerous fighter, as evidenced by the late surge he put on.
It's still, despite the weight issue, one of the best wins of Calzaghe's career, and it was a very impressive performance.
I don't contend that it was not a good win and I personally think it was very impressive. I was just eluding to Calzaghe having faced guys that were weaker and that was allot of the reason he had such a stellar KO ratio in the young portion of his career as opposed to him ever actually having real KO power. Fairly enough, while Calzaghe has few actual KO's on his record, Amir actually has NONE, meaning he never put anyone out for a ten count.
Food for thought comparison:
Calzaghe's opponents records combined in his first 20 fights:
256-
238 (
57win%) -
494 total fights
Kahn's opponents records combined in his first 20 fights:
356-
131 (
67win%) 487 total fights
As the results indicate, both Joe and Amir fought about equally experienced guys in their first 20 fights but Amir fought way better opposition based on those same guys records. However, good as that is, he did lose in his first 20 fights while Calzaghe didn't but I think that is due to stepping up his competition earlier than Joe did.
Re: Enzo Calzaghe - pot calling the kettle .........
Posted: 07 Aug 2009, 13:05
by Dioufy
Patriot, I stopped listening to what the Calzaghe's said years back.
"I would slap Froch down in three rounds." - Joe Calzaghe
"Jones jr is shot, what would I gain from being the 3rd man to KO him" - then failed to even do that.
"If he would've gone 12 rounds, then Haye wouldn't of fought again" - after Haye changed Macca's hairstyle.
And there's many more but them three are my favourites.