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its an old boxing cliche that many fights are won and lost on the scales.

the english HW title encounter between tyson mcflurry and big bad jam macdoughnut is such a fight, both men have failed to impress in the weight department, i know adonis' dont always make good boxers but as professional sportsmen i would expect them to 'beast' themselves into reasonable shape, its a cross roads fight for macdoughnut, and a gatekeeper fight for mcflurry.

macdermot particulally has failed to make any effort to remove excess lard by doing his roadmiles (i still chuckle when i think of a commontator saying once that 'big bad jam' could do the 100m in 11 secs !!!!!) during his career which has been going a few years now. tyson i can cut a bit of slack due to his bad back.

boxrec tells us their weights for their last 5 fights......the latest one being first.

tyson mcflurry.. 256 252 250 248 256

jam macdoughnut.. 260 256 253 250 248

i honestly think that the fella that comes in the lightest will be the victor.

It depends, I'd say, if it goes into the later rounds.

With no disrespect to the guys whom he has fought, Fury hasn't had a great deal of serious opposition yet. McD is certainly able to provide that, and McD also has so much more experience of fights going the distance.

i still wanna see how fury reacts when someone lands beause he seems to get a bit flustered when someone lets go on him which hasnt been much up 2 now but i do fancy him 2 beat mcdermott

I think if McDonalds had been in shape when he fought Williams in Sunderland, he'd have beaten him. This is a good point, Rhino.

rhino222 wrote: (i still chuckle when i think of a commontator saying once that 'big bad jam' could do the 100m in 11 secs !!!!!)

That is... amazing.

I for one would pay good money to see Big Bad John attempt to match that time, whilst topless (John would have to be topless, not me). It'd be like watching high-speed footage of continental drift.

McFlurry

I think Tyson's jab will be key to this fight.

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:I think if McDonalds had been in shape when he fought Williams in Sunderland, he'd have beaten him. This is a good point, Rhino.

Who knows? When has he ever bothered to try and get into shape? Unless the shape is a large blob with tits

Aint many heavies in shape nowdays, Fury looks okay (aside form his last outing), Mcdermott has always been big. Should eb an interesting contest.

Lenny wrote:

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:I think if McDonalds had been in shape when he fought Williams in Sunderland, he'd have beaten him. This is a good point, Rhino.

Who knows? When has he ever bothered to try and get into shape? Unless the shape is a large blob with tits

Indeed - he ran him close whilst out of shape. That's my point. He surely wouldn't do worse if he actually put his mind to getting in shape!

I know what you mean but it starting to be one of those things you say "if only" to that are never going to happen. McDermott makes his money coming in to fight whilst totally out of shape and if that didn't change when he stepped up to fight the likes of Skelton and Williams then it's never going to change. I'm sure he would be a better boxer when in shape but the guy doesn't possess the dedication to get there.

I think Fury may be a bit too intimidating for him, McDermott doesn't seem to be the most confident of sorts and I think the size of Fury together with his self confidence could all be a bit too much for John.
Tyson early is my prediction

These type of fights are embarrassing to boxing. I know everyone has different body shapes etc etc. But at the very least the tyres around the guts of heavyweight boxers shouldn't be there. If this is one of the best domestic fights that the UK can pull together, boxing might as well roll over and get its tummy tickled by UFC.

If Fury got ripped, I might take him seriously and get behind the boy. Until then, he can talk as much as he likes but I'm not buying it.

Is that harsh?

jizzle wrote:These type of fights are embarrassing to boxing. I know everyone has different body shapes etc etc. But at the very least the tyres around the guts of heavyweight boxers shouldn't be there. If this is one of the best domestic fights that the UK can pull together, boxing might as well roll over and get its tummy tickled by UFC.

If Fury got ripped, I might take him seriously and get behind the boy. Until then, he can talk as much as he likes but I'm not buying it.

Is that harsh?

You're not being harsh at all. They're supposed to be professional athletes. Fat boxers are being unprofessional. I think Tyson Fury's life is far too easy, too cushy. He could do with getting someone like Anne Wolfe to train him for a bit, so when he has to bite down in a fight (which will come at some point when he steps up) he'll be able to do it. Best to face adversity early on and be confident you can overcome it, than come unstuck later on like Alexander Alexeev.

To be fair to Tyson I remember seeing an interview where he said that he'd been eating rubbish and not exercising for 20 years, and only living properly for about 2 months (This was when he'd only just turned pro). So he said it will take a bit of time for him to get into top shape now he is going to the gym etc. He was beginning to look like his shape was improving until that latest back injury. With his height and build he'll never be ripped but I do agree that he needs to be in better shape.

I expected him to gradual come in at a lighter weight fight-by-fight, but that's gone a bit wayward. Hope he comes in against McDermott in around the lower 240's. A stone for such a big guy like Tyson wouldn't be too hard to drop in a few months, surely?

Lenny wrote:I know what you mean but it starting to be one of those things you say "if only" to that are never going to happen. McDermott makes his money coming in to fight whilst totally out of shape and if that didn't change when he stepped up to fight the likes of Skelton and Williams then it's never going to change. I'm sure he would be a better boxer when in shape but the guy doesn't possess the dedication to get there.

I think Fury may be a bit too intimidating for him, McDermott doesn't seem to be the most confident of sorts and I think the size of Fury together with his self confidence could all be a bit too much for John.
Tyson early is my prediction

Not sure about the prediction but totally agree with the rest.

He did have some extenuating circs about the Skelton loss (I think his baby was very ill and he'd lost the plot) but not for Williams.

Whenever have you seen a ripped white heavyweight?
I guess the Klitchkos are the only ones i can think of

Old bones Ian wrote:Whenever have you seen a ripped white heavyweight?
I guess the Klitchkos are the only ones i can think of

Tommy Morrison, David Price

Their physique is the sole reason why you can't take them seriously. Fury is simply a re-incarnation of McDermott - big guy, naturally fast hands which will devastate at the lower class levels.

Its not hard to lay off the pies and live the life. If anyone thinks the current Tyson Fury has a sniff of world class, they are a moron.
Loynesy

At 21 i wouldnt rule out him developing beyond european level. Although at the pace he's going his best days will be behind him when he should be in his prime... does that make sense?

Loynesy wrote: If anyone thinks the current Tyson Fury has a sniff of world class, they are a moron.

Fury will be the first billion dollar heavyweight. Thing is, the currency is Zimbabwe's.

Nah, I like him actually, not necessarily as a fighter but I do like a bit of hype when it's done right. He seems to be prepared to fight beyond the usual opponents at this stage.

[quote="Wales"]At 21 i wouldnt rule out him developing beyond european level. Although at the pace he's going his best days will be behind him when he should be in his prime... does that make sense?[/quote]

Wales, it makes complete sense. Perhaps he will have an epiphany and get in shape and prove me wrong, as I said in my last post, he has great hand speed.

He is just simply too fat to be a success, there is no workrate there.

Loynesy wrote:

Wales wrote:At 21 i wouldnt rule out him developing beyond european level. Although at the pace he's going his best days will be behind him when he should be in his prime... does that make sense?

Wales, it makes complete sense. Perhaps he will have an epiphany and get in shape and prove me wrong, as I said in my last post, he has great hand speed.

He is just simply too fat to be a success, there is no workrate there.

I'm gonna remember you said that mate.

Given the quality of the prospects around at world level, I think he'll sneak a world title. Or the current litmus tests are worse than I thought.

Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:

Loynesy wrote:

Wales wrote:At 21 i wouldnt rule out him developing beyond european level. Although at the pace he's going his best days will be behind him when he should be in his prime... does that make sense?

Wales, it makes complete sense. Perhaps he will have an epiphany and get in shape and prove me wrong, as I said in my last post, he has great hand speed.

He is just simply too fat to be a success, there is no workrate there.

I'm gonna remember you said that mate.

Given the quality of the prospects around at world level, I think he'll sneak a world title. Or the current litmus tests are worse than I thought.

Em

Would be delighted to be proved wrong. If he defends a major world title, I will pay for us ringside.

Loynesy

They are both embarrising out of weight. I think it will go into the latter rounds and McDermott has been the distance on numerous occasions whereas Fury has never been past 6 so we still dont know if he can go the ful distance I think McDermott late KO

A rare clash of white heavyweights takes place in September for the English heavyweight title. It features Mr Blobby vs Mr Blobby: John McDermott vs Luke Fury.
Fury, of course, fights under his cheesy middle name of Tyson because it gets him a lot of attention and because his dad was a reasonable heavyweight fighter in the late 1980s (when Tyson was at his peak); McDermott’s dad was also a reasonable heavyweight in the 1980s but earlier in the decade, rather more ‘lost’ in terms of heavyweight quality (Larry Holmes apart). Already, the two sons are quite well-matched, particularly in physique.
Let me start by saying I don’t like heavyweights. Most of them wouldn’t last five minutes at featherweight because they win their fights on brute strength or sheer bulk as opposed to any real boxing skill, any real class. Talking of class, the division is also ripe with undignified individuals. “I’ll whip any sonofabitch in the house,” cracked the drunken John L. Sullivan, and we’ve heard the same sort of crap ever since. McDermott was once floored four times by Matt Skelton in the first round and jumped up at the fourth knockdown and complained because the referee had waved it off. On the same bill Audley Harrison whined about the radiators being off in his dressing room and poor Ernie Draper had to a locate a ‘bleeder’. Harrison then went out and did nothing for 12 rounds against Danny Williams in front of eight million TV viewers. Maybe he was still cold. Oh yes, heavyweights are overhyped, overpaid, overweight and overrated. Thankfully, most of ‘em are NOT over here.
Nevertheless, Fury and McDermott live in England and they square up on September 11 at Brentwood over 10 rounds. Fury we know as promoter Mick Hennessy’s Great White Hope, backed by ITV, the latter of whom staged a round-robin series of hideous heavyweight clashes in recent years which killed their ratings. (ITV also screeened Joe Bugner against Marvis Frazier; excuse me while I shoot the sky.) McDermott is Frank Maloney’s boy, who nearly won the British heavyweight title against Williams quite recently and was everyone’s favourite to win a quick rematch but somehow found a way to lose.
Both men do have a semblance of talent, however, and Fury deserves credit for taking on the more experienced McDermott after just seven fights, all wins, all by stoppage. He has never travelled further than four rounds.
Personally, I don’t care who wins this and I am not going to attempt a breakdown of any sort. All one can ask for next month is a good, hard fight between two men who don’t talk the talk and then plod the plod. As Steve Bunce once said, “Pray for it to happen.”