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RIP Rocky Marciano

Posted: 31 Aug 2009, 17:45
by raylawpc
Rocky Marciano died 40 years ago today on August 31, 1969

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Rocky Marciano
"The Brockton Blockbuster"
September 1, 1923 - August 31, 1969

49-0 with 43 knockouts.

Rest in Peace, Champ. . .

Re: RIP Rocky Marciano

Posted: 31 Aug 2009, 20:09
by Robinson
Thats a good picture of him.

Re: RIP Rocky Marciano

Posted: 31 Aug 2009, 20:10
by Djanders
He gave me many thrills! Thanks for the great fights, Rocky!!! :TU:

Re: RIP Rocky Marciano

Posted: 31 Aug 2009, 20:52
by allworld80
:bow:

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Re: RIP Rocky Marciano

Posted: 31 Aug 2009, 20:59
by Marlin
A couple of years old but a decent read:
Birthday Greeting For Rocky Marciano

By Thomas Hauser
Hello, Rocky. Big day coming up. On September 1, you'll be eighty years old. A lot has happened since that small plane you were on crashed in 1969. You were forty-six years old then; too young to die. But we've kept you alive in our hearts, and the birthday celebrations will be starting soon.

So let's note for the record that you were born in Brockton, Massachusetts, the son of a shoe-factory worker, in 1923. Twenty-nine years later, you knocked out Jersey Joe Walcott to become heavyweight champion of the world. The punch you ended it with that night is one of the most devastating blows in boxing lore. You defended your title six times. "What could be better," you once asked, "than walking down any street in any city and knowing you're the heavyweight champion of the world?"

Then, after forty-nine victories in forty-nine fights, you did something that no one has done before or since. You retired, and stayed retired, as undefeated heavyweight champion of the world.

People say that, to be great, a fighter has to be an honest workmen. And you were. You trained hard. Charlie Goldman, your trainer, described you with the declaration, "I gotta guy who's short, stoop-shouldered, and balding with two left feet. They all look better than he does as far as the moves are concerned, but they don't look so good on the canvas. God, how he can punch."

That was the ticket. Even though you were small for a heavyweight, you beat men down. In the ring, you moved forward with a will of iron, arms pounding, throwing punches from every angle, anxious to make contact with any part of your opponent's body to see which of you could give and take more pain.

Ed Fitzgerald, one of the leading sportswriters of your day, wrote, "Rocky is not in there to outpoint anybody with an exhibition of boxing skill. He is in there to kill or be killed. He is a primitive fighter who stalks his prey until he can belt him with that frightening right-hand crusher. He is one of the easiest fighters in the ring to hit. You can, as with an enraged grizzly bear, slow him down and make him shake his head if you hit him hard enough to wound him, but you can't make him back up. Slowly, relentlessly, ruthlessly, he moves in on you. Sooner or later, he clubs you down."

Budd Schulberg put it nicely when he wrote, "Marciano is the master of no defense, who moves in swinging punches like all the club fighters of all time."

But you were great when you had to be great. After a man fought you, it was said, he was never the same.

A man has to be a bit crazy to be a fighter; and you qualified. Jim Murray once opined that you lived life as if it were the fifteenth round and you were behind on points. There was an endless stream of women. Early in your career, your manager Al Weill said, "Rocky is a poor Italian boy from a poor Italian family, and he appreciates the buck more than almost anybody. He's only got two halfway decent purses so far, and it was like a tiger tasting blood." After boxing, most of your business ventures involved cash. Word is, you even did a bit of loansharking and were on friendly social terms with the mob.

Then there's the matter of black and white. Looking at all the WBA, WBC, and IBF titleholders since you retired, there have been thirty-four claimants to the heavyweight crown. Only two, Ingemar Johansson and Gerrie Coetzee, were white. John Ruiz is Hispanic. These three will never be mistaken for you or Jack Dempsey. Johannson lost in his first title defense. Coetzee and Ruiz were shortlived paper champions during the reigns of Larry Holmes and Lennox Lewis.

In other words, you were the last white heavyweight who would have been favored over any other fighter in the world. I'm not saying that's the way people should think; and in an ideal world, they wouldn't think that way. But let's be honest; in boxing, as in the rest of society, color is an issue.

Despite all the praise that was showered upon you, there were critics. Some opponents complained that, too often, your rough brawling style degenerated to dirty. And the great fighters you beat were getting on in years when you fought them. Joe Louis was thirty-seven. Jersey Joe Walcott was thirty-eight. Ezzard Charles was thirty-three with the wear and tear of a hundred fights on him. Archie Moore was forty-one and had answered the bell for round one almost two hundred times.

Still, a half-century after your retirement from boxing, your unblemished record stands. In other sports, magic numbers come and go. Look at baseball . . . 60 . . . 714 . . . 2,130 . . . 4,191 . . . They're all gone. It's the way of the world. Standards for immortality change. But in the sweet science, the magic number remains "49".

I don't know how you'll celebrate your birthday. Rumor has it that you're planning to fight Jack Dempsey in a fifteen-round "Birthday Bash." What a fight that will be! I'd love to see it; although, all things considered, I'm happy to be alive and down here on Earth. Send me a videotape if you can.

Regards,
Thomas Hauser

Re: RIP Rocky Marciano

Posted: 31 Aug 2009, 21:34
by granberry
Now clueless Ali parasite Hauser poses as an expert on Marciano.

Disgusting.

Re: RIP Rocky Marciano

Posted: 31 Aug 2009, 21:47
by Collins2000
granberry wrote:Now clueless Ali parasite Hauser poses as an expert on Marciano.

Disgusting.
Which part didn't you agree with, old fellow?

September 1, 1923: ¡Rocky is in the world!

Posted: 01 Sep 2009, 06:50
by Martin Sosa Cameron
:)


In September 1, 1923, Rocco Francis Marchegiano, Rocky Marciano born in Brockton, Mass.

What a boy! What a Champion!



:TU:

Re: September 1, 1923: ¡Rocky is in the world!

Posted: 01 Sep 2009, 10:27
by granberry
Martin Sosa Cameron wrote::)


In September 1, 1923, Rocco Francis Marchegiano, Rocky Marciano born in Brockton, Mass.

What a boy! What a Champion!



:TU:
You got that right.

Re: RIP Rocky Marciano

Posted: 03 Sep 2009, 06:45
by BoxBuzz
....so your ok with what was said, just a little upset that Hauser said it. You appear to be suffering from a textbook case of Authorism.......of which there is no known cure. Save an open mind.

Re: RIP Rocky Marciano

Posted: 03 Sep 2009, 07:04
by Robinson
I think mentioning race etc is plain gay.

I enjoy fighters for how they fight, I never watch a bout and think,
oh he is black, or he is white, or green ?
He gets flowery and wanky towards the end of the letter, just write...

Rocky Marciano, summary of career, mention his courage, tenacity his
hunger, his devotion to always being in shape, and then his legacy..
the rest just sums up why I really would rather read what alot of you
guys post on boxing and not some guy that made a name for himself writing
books...

Re: RIP Rocky Marciano

Posted: 03 Sep 2009, 09:55
by Ezzard
Interesting as Lewis once said that losing to a white HW would be a huge embarrassment.

Race and the heavyweight title are very much enmeshed with one another however you look at it.

Re: RIP Rocky Marciano

Posted: 03 Sep 2009, 11:32
by granberry
Ezzard wrote:
Race and the heavyweight title are very much enmeshed with one another however you look at it.
And WHO is it that brings up the subject?

The race baiters and race pimps live in hate

and actually profit from their promotion of the topic.

Anyone with a genuine interest in boxing has zero interest in race.

Do I care what race Tony Canzoneri is as he draws a lead, slips and counters

or what race Joe Louis is as he throws his right hand

or what race Sandy Saddler is as he stalks his opponent.?

It never enters my mind.

Only one with NO interest and knowledge of the topic would bring up the topic of race.

It is a give away that the person has no real interest in boxing.

Re: RIP Rocky Marciano

Posted: 03 Sep 2009, 14:29
by BoxBuzz
granberry wrote:
Ezzard wrote:
Race and the heavyweight title are very much enmeshed with one another however you look at it.
And WHO is it that brings up the subject?

The race baiters and race pimps live in hate

and actually profit from their promotion of the topic.

Anyone with a genuine interest in boxing has zero interest in race.

Do I care what race Tony Canzoneri is as he draws a lead, slips and counters

or what race Joe Louis is as he throws his right hand

or what race Sandy Saddler is as he stalks his opponent.?

It never enters my mind.

Only one with NO interest and knowledge of the topic would bring up the topic of race.

It is a give away that the person has no real interest in boxing.

Holy Crap! I agree with most of this. Though I'm not sure that racist's are never interested in boxing.....even scum have diverse interests.

granberry....good statement!

Re: RIP Rocky Marciano

Posted: 03 Sep 2009, 17:53
by Robinson
The publicists, so called writers and some promoters are the
guys that get down and push the race card. I have never
cared for it. I know that some people do, here in Oz alot of
guys I know simply do not like Mundine because of his skin,
so what..the guy can fight well.

I guess the race card will always work well so long as the
Reverend Fred Sultan is promoting fights it will be a big thing.

To bring up race in a letter addressing Marciano's birth day
is tactless and detracts from the fact that Rocky was a legend
to all men and women. Not just to whites.

Re: RIP Rocky Marciano

Posted: 03 Sep 2009, 18:18
by I Feel Fine
It takes potent stupidity to be a boxing fan and a racist. Boxing shows the toughness and intelligence and talent of people from all over the globe of every cultural background, to not be able to see that is remarkable.
RIP Marciano, one of the few fighters who managed to go undefeated without having to duck anyone.

Re: RIP Rocky Marciano

Posted: 03 Sep 2009, 18:54
by Goodnight, Irene
Robinson wrote:The publicists, so called writers and some promoters are the
guys that get down and push the race card. I have never
cared for it. I know that some people do, here in Oz alot of
guys I know simply do not like Mundine because of his skin,
so what..the guy can fight well.

I guess the race card will always work well so long as the
Reverend Fred Sultan is promoting fights it will be a big thing.

To bring up race in a letter addressing Marciano's birth day
is tactless and detracts from the fact that Rocky was a legend
to all men and women. Not just to whites.
Mundine has more than enough qualities to detest without bringing up (half) his cultural background. Even so, & saying this with a nephew who is half-Aboriginal, his people are among the most worthy of stereotyping I've ever come across. I see precious few exceptions (my nephew's father, included) to large sections of white-Australia's general typecasting of these people.

This is in Sydney, mind. Maybe it's different in Adelaide.

Re: RIP Rocky Marciano

Posted: 03 Sep 2009, 19:08
by Robinson
GI

Mate sterotypes often do exist for some reason, and without
getting myself dirty by being some what 'racist' I will be so honest
to say that I have encountered more people of a certain ethnicity
to be of a certain nature...

However when I met Mundine, he was a lot nicer and more down
to earth than a lot fighters amidst their celebrity. This was when he
had no cameras on him, off course ;)

Adelaide is no different to Sydney...we have national park lands in
the city where it is a no go zone simply because it is a massive corobera
(?) of abuse, binge drinking and rubbish...yet no one does anything
because its not 'PC'.

Our business deals with alot of communities (supplying of meat to their
stores) and all I can say is, well there are some stories sad, funny and
tragic that i could share.

As for Mundine, he is proud of his heritage, that is great, but his persona
in reality (and not media) does not warrant the hatred that people (i know
of) that throw it his way.

Re: RIP Rocky Marciano

Posted: 03 Sep 2009, 19:12
by Goodnight, Irene
Fair enough, but how do you expect those people to react? They don't get to meet Mundine. They only get to react to a persona Mundine himself has created (I happen to believe it's more than a persona, though --- not all there is to the man, but I don't think it's totally manufactured, either).

If Mundine is despised, it is because he has asked the public to do so.

Re: RIP Rocky Marciano

Posted: 03 Sep 2009, 20:14
by Robinson
True. Mundine was perhaps a bad example, but I used him as I
recall over hearing some of the barstool heroes discuss a Mundine
vs Green rematch and basically it revolved around Mundine's
ethnicity. A sad way to talk boxing.

Re: RIP Rocky Marciano

Posted: 03 Sep 2009, 21:03
by Goodnight, Irene
On that, we agree (it's also sad that, when talking Boxing, nothing better could be nutted out than discussion of those two :DD ).

Not much of a conversation, anyhow. Mundine always beats Green.

Re: RIP Rocky Marciano

Posted: 03 Sep 2009, 21:24
by Robinson
Agreed, but as long as their be casual fans that get wet over the
Green machine, then i shall go on making bets with them :)

Re: RIP Rocky Marciano

Posted: 13 Sep 2009, 15:50
by harrygreb
RIP ROCKY - I HOPE YOURE ENJOYING ALL THE SPAGGS YOU FORESOOK IN YOUR FIGHTING CAREER.