BoxRec

EDIT- Changed the title to suit a more general discussion of the issue, rather than the specific fight.




...............Fury V McDermott?

Yes, it's hypocritical to start yet another thread on this subject in order to tell people to stop doing so.


But for crying out loud, lets less it now.

Yes, it was a bad decision, but in the scheme of things, what does it really matter?

Boxers and promotors care little for titles now, giving them up willy nilly, and the BBBoC sanctions some poor "title" fights.

Most people know who who that fight, and both men's careers will be more affected by the performance on the night, not the result.

whicker wrote:Fury V McDermott?

Yes, it's hypocritical to start yet another thread on this subject in order to tell people to stop doing so.


But for crying out loud, lets less it now.

Yes, it was a bad decision, but in the scheme of things, what does it really matter?

Boxers and promotors care little for titles now, giving them up willy nilly, and the BBBoC sanctions some poor "title" fights.

Most people know who who that fight, and both men's careers will be more affected by the performance on the night, not the result.

Pity post.


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whicker wrote:Fury V McDermott?

Yes, it's hypocritical to start yet another thread on this subject in order to tell people to stop doing so.


But for crying out loud, lets less it now.

Yes, it was a bad decision, but in the scheme of things, what does it really matter?

Boxers and promotors care little for titles now, giving them up willy nilly, and the BBBoC sanctions some poor "title" fights.

Most people know who who that fight, and both men's careers will be more affected by the performance on the night, not the result.

Oh right so we should all just shrug our shoulders and just 'get on with it' should we.

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It is the biggest talking point in british boxing, probably this year, so its no wonder everyone has their opinion to put in.

whicker wrote:Most people know who who that fight, and both men's careers will be more affected by the performance on the night, not the result.

Yeah, just as Fidel Castro Smith's and Martin Jacobs' careers ascended rapidly in similar circumstances.

I mean- its not like, say, a football semi final. If one team loses on a dodgy penalty, then they are out the competition- no Final, probably never get another chance (well, unless they are of the the big teams)

However, in this context, boxing, it's not really as if Fury's win puts him officially in any better position than McDermott.

I totally understand the frustrations and the issues, but considering the current state of the game in 2009- and how it relates directly to both men's careers- the actual result of the fight and the holding of the title isn't of great significance in the scheme of things.

Hopefully that makes sense?

whicker wrote:I mean- its not like, say, a football semi final. If one team loses on a dodgy penalty, then they are out the competition- no Final, probably never get another chance (well, unless they are of the the big teams)

However, in this context, boxing, it's not really as if Fury's win puts him officially in any better position than McDermott.

I totally understand the frustrations and the issues, but considering the current state of the game in 2009- and how it relates directly to both men's careers- the actual result of the fight and the holding of the title isn't of great significance in the scheme of things.

Hopefully that makes sense?

It makes sense. But I'd disagree with this: "it's not really as if Fury's win puts him officially in any better position than McDermott" because both officially and unofficially, he is, as English champion.

boxrec wrote:"everyone shut up about fury vs mcdermott".....so heres yet another thread about it.... :!:

Indeed!

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:

whicker wrote:I mean- its not like, say, a football semi final. If one team loses on a dodgy penalty, then they are out the competition- no Final, probably never get another chance (well, unless they are of the the big teams)

However, in this context, boxing, it's not really as if Fury's win puts him officially in any better position than McDermott.

I totally understand the frustrations and the issues, but considering the current state of the game in 2009- and how it relates directly to both men's careers- the actual result of the fight and the holding of the title isn't of great significance in the scheme of things.

Hopefully that makes sense?

It makes sense. But I'd disagree with this: "it's not really as if Fury's win puts him officially in any better position than McDermott" because both officially and unofficially, he is, as English champion.

True, but other than pride, what does being the "English Champion" mean, or entitle the belt holder to?

There is no system in place that means a boxer has to be English champion to fight for the British title, for example.

Will Fury be fighting for the British title soon? No way. Why? Because of his performance in that fight.

There is so many belts around at the moment that holding one- or indeed not holding one- is of little consequence.

Thats the point I'm trying to make.

Disagree Whicker. The English title has some leverage towards the British title of course it does. Well, you only have to look at the previous holder of the belt. Mark Krence got an eliminator fight and two stabs at the British title (one was a late notice non mandated fight, the other was mandated shot at the vacant title) - why, well mainly cause of his English title.

In this specific example with Fury, its slightly different because the BBBoC have already given Rogan vs Skelton 2 eliminator status, but I imagine Fury will be involved in an eliminator after that. Well maybe Hennessy will not risk it, but his name will be put forward - above John McDermott's anyway.

and it aint just with the Heavies that show the importance of this title. Danny McIntosh mandatory challenger for the vacant Light Heavy title... why? English champion.

could this not also be due to the dearth of talent at those 2 particular weights?

NorthEastBoxingFan wrote:could this not also be due to the dearth of talent at those 2 particular weights?

Most of these fights didn't fight in any official eliminator, but I think you can see - English/Celtic title does hold some meaning.

It continues... Rob Norton - English Champion became mandatory challenger for the Cruiserweight title.

Darren McDermmott - English Champ.... Mandatory for British Middleweight title.

Steve McGuire - Celtic Champ - Mandatory for British Super Middle title.

Andrew Facey - English champ - British title challenger (not sure if he was Mandatory).

Lenny Daws - English Champ - Now fighting for the Vacant British title.

Scott Lawton - English Champ - Fought for the British title (I am sure he was mandatory but not 100%).

Jamie Arthur - Welsh Champ - Fought and won an eliminator for the British title.

Mark Moran - English champ - Fought for the Vacant British title.

Ross Burkinshaw - English champ - Fought for the British title.

Chris Edwards - English Champ - Fought and won the British title.