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Imaginary Historical Rematches

Posted: 09 Oct 2009, 17:31
by Mr E
Who do you like in the following rematches?

Jim Corbett v. Peter Jackson II -- 25 rounds for Corbett's title, circa 1893.

Bob Fitzsimmons v. Jim Corbett II -- 25 rounds for Fitz's title, circa 1898.

Joe Gans v. Terry McGovern II -- 25 rounds for Gans's title, circa 1901.

Sam Langford v. Stanley Ketchel II -- 25 rounds for Ketchel's title, circa 1910.

Jack Johnson v. Sam Langford II -- 20 rounds for Johnson's title, circa 1912.

Max Baer v. Max Schmeling II -- 15 rounds for Baer's title, circa 1934.

Marcel Cerdan v. Jake LaMotta II -- 15 rounds for LaMotta's title, circa 1949.

Sugar Ray Robinson v. Joey Maxim II -- 15 rounds for Maxim's title, circa 1952.

Muhammad Ali v. George Foreman II -- 15 rounds for Ali's title, circa 1976.

Marvelous Marvin Hagler v. Sugar Ray Leonard II -- 12 rounds for Leonard's title, circa 1987.

Re: Imaginary Historical Rematches

Posted: 12 Oct 2009, 14:52
by The Great John L
Jim Corbett v. Peter Jackson II -- 25 rounds for Corbett's title, circa 1893.

Two years older would not be much help for Jackson against a prime Corbett, fresh off the stoppage of the The Great John L. While I’m not sure that Corbett would have been able to stop him, I’d say that Corbett would probably control the fight and win all but a handful of rounds.

Bob Fitzsimmons v. Jim Corbett II -- 25 rounds for Fitz's title, circa 1898.

With a rematch early in ’98, I think the result is different. Corbett was a proud man and he would have been able to again hurt Fitz, but this time would get the stoppage before the 8th round.

Joe Gans v. Terry McGovern II -- 25 rounds for Gans's title, circa 1901.

In an honest matchup, the heavier Gans is able to control Terrible Terry and inflict damage throughout the fight, dropping him several times, before the ref stops it after the 18th round.

Sam Langford v. Stanley Ketchel II -- 25 rounds for Ketchel's title, circa 1910.

Just as the first fight evolved as a close matchup, the rematch is also give and take, although now the more accurate punching of Langford causes swelling around Ketchels eyes as early as round 8. By the 13th round Langford is staring to have his way with Ketchel. Ketchel does survive the 25, but loses a fairly lopsided decision.

Jack Johnson v. Sam Langford II -- 20 rounds for Johnson's title, circa 1912.

In an what looks like a closely contested fight throughout with neither man able to really hurt the other, Johnson loses a controversial lopsided decision. The controversy isn’t really who won but the nature of the decision as Langford wins by a wide margin on the scorecards.

Max Baer v. Max Schmeling II -- 15 rounds for Baer's title, circa 1934.

Schmeling performs better, but appears a little gun shy as he builds a lead before getting caught and dropped in the 9th by a wide looping right from Baer. Schmeling easily avoids any followup and survives the round. The remaining rounds are rather uneventful as the ill prepared Baer tires and Schmeling fights cautiously. Schmeling by UD.

Marcel Cerdan v. Jake LaMotta II -- 15 rounds for LaMotta's title, circa 1949.

The rematch that all of France wanted turns out to be anti climactic as LaMotta’s constant pressure and rough tactics allows him to control most of the action enroute to a 15rd decision.

Sugar Ray Robinson v. Joey Maxim II -- 15 rounds for Maxim's title, circa 1952.

In an indoor venue late in the year, SRR again controls the early part of fight and goes on to win a wide UD.

Muhammad Ali v. George Foreman II -- 15 rounds for Ali's title, circa 1976.

George fights more cautiously this time and doesn’t get fatigued fighting wildly as Ali uses more movement. Unfortunately for George he gets outlanded by a wide margin and falls behind on the cards before he steps up the pace in the 5th round. At this point George begins to take charge but tires quickly as he misses many huge wide punches. By the 8th George is once again gasping for breath as he plods forward on an also tiring Ali. The fight becomes a great deal of wrestling and clinching after the 8th before George gets dropped by a sharp right counter in the 11th. Another KD follows in the 12th and although George rises to his feet, the ref stops the fight as Ali falls to the ground, totally exhausted.

Marvelous Marvin Hagler v. Sugar Ray Leonard II -- 12 rounds for Leonard's title, circa 1987.

Six months later they meet in the much anticipated rematch. Hagler starts faster, not giving away the early rounds, but still has trouble with the quicker SRL. Midway through the fight the fight is close with a slight edge to SRL as the momentum shifts to the larger and stronger Hagler. Rallying down the stretch, Hagler sweeps the final 3 rounds on all 3 cards and wins a close UD. Leonard is furious and demands a rematch, while Hagler merely laughs and retires to Italy to become a well known screen star.

Re: Imaginary Historical Rematches

Posted: 13 Oct 2009, 01:59
by ben geoghegan
Jim Corbett v. Peter Jackson II -- 25 rounds for Corbett's title, circa 1893.
Jackson W25

Bob Fitzsimmons v. Jim Corbett II -- 25 rounds for Fitz's title, circa 1898.
W25 Corbett

Joe Gans v. Terry McGovern II -- 25 rounds for Gans's title, circa 1901.
Gans KO1

Sam Langford v. Stanley Ketchel II -- 25 rounds for Ketchel's title, circa 1910.
Langford KO7

Jack Johnson v. Sam Langford II -- 20 rounds for Johnson's title, circa 1912.
Johnson W20

Max Baer v. Max Schmeling II -- 15 rounds for Baer's title, circa 1934.
Baer KO9

Marcel Cerdan v. Jake LaMotta II -- 15 rounds for LaMotta's title, circa 1949.
Cerdan W15

Sugar Ray Robinson v. Joey Maxim II -- 15 rounds for Maxim's title, circa 1952.
Robinson W15

Muhammad Ali v. George Foreman II -- 15 rounds for Ali's title, circa 1976.
Ali TKO5

Marvelous Marvin Hagler v. Sugar Ray Leonard II -- 12 rounds for Leonard's title, circa 1987.
D12

Re: Imaginary Historical Rematches

Posted: 13 Oct 2009, 02:21
by Ezzard
Jim Corbett v. Peter Jackson II -- 25 rounds for Corbett's title, circa 1893.

I'd pick Corbett to win on points. Jackson was a little past his best for the original fight. This time Corbett wins the decision.


Bob Fitzsimmons v. Jim Corbett II -- 25 rounds for Fitz's title, circa 1898.

Corbett wins again. He's ready for Fitzsimmons and more aware that he's in with a very dangerous opponent.


Joe Gans v. Terry McGovern II -- 25 rounds for Gans's title, circa 1901.

If the first one really was a dive (and most think it was). Then you'd expect Gans to want to put the record straight. Gans by late stoppage.

Sam Langford v. Stanley Ketchel II -- 25 rounds for Ketchel's title, circa 1910.

Langford went on to be a great at HW. Ketchel would go hell for leather but he'd get stopped late. It would be close for the first 5 or 6 and either man could finish ti with one shot at any time.

Jack Johnson v. Sam Langford II -- 20 rounds for Johnson's title, circa 1912.

Johnson would win a close but clear decision.


Max Baer v. Max Schmeling II -- 15 rounds for Baer's title, circa 1934.

Schmeling would take the rounds. Baer would look for the single shot to close the show. I'd expect Schmeling to play the percentages and come out with the decision.

Marcel Cerdan v. Jake LaMotta II -- 15 rounds for LaMotta's title, circa 1949.

Cerdan wins the rematch in a closely contested bout. Like Gans he has a point to prove.


Sugar Ray Robinson v. Joey Maxim II -- 15 rounds for Maxim's title, circa 1952.

Robinson goes the distance and gets the decision this time.


Muhammad Ali v. George Foreman II -- 15 rounds for Ali's title, circa 1976.

By 76 I'm not sure Ali can win this one. I'd expect Foreman to get him. If the fight is in the USA I think George takes the title back.


Marvelous Marvin Hagler v. Sugar Ray Leonard II -- 12 rounds for Leonard's title, circa 1987.

Hagler on points or late stoppage. Too much to prove.

Re: Imaginary Historical Rematches

Posted: 13 Oct 2009, 02:40
by Goodnight, Irene
Corbett wins again, Ezz? ;)

Re: Imaginary Historical Rematches

Posted: 13 Oct 2009, 05:45
by Ezzard
Goodnight, Irene wrote:Corbett wins again, Ezz? ;)
Hey, Irene

He's just beaten Jackson in 1893 and then in my next match up he wins again (this time against Bob) in 1898.

I understand your confusion though!

Re: Imaginary Historical Rematches

Posted: 13 Oct 2009, 12:36
by Mr E
Of course, if I'm going to ask the questions, I should also offer some guesses on the answers:

Corbett W25 Jackson -- since 1st fight, 2 fighters moving in opposite directions

Corbett W25 Fitzsimmons -- very close

Gans KO10 McGovern -- Gans dominates

Langford W25 Ketchel -- Langford proceeds cautiously but wins comfortably

Johnson W15 Langford -- Johnson smothers Langford inside, outjabs him from long range, wins handily

Schmeling W15 Baer -- Schmeling in much better shape this time, gives Baer a boxing lesson

Cerdan W15 LaMotta -- not as close as the pundits predict

Robinson W15 Maxim -- this time, the heat is not so severe. Bring on Archie Moore!

Ali W15 Foreman -- much closer fight than the one in Zaire; Ali does just enough to win

Leonard W12 Hagler -- Leonard, back in the groove now, increases the margin of victory