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I said it before on a post that "ocassionally" the old footage is perfect and gives an accurate demonstration of just how good these old fighters were, the footage I was especially referring too was Canzoneri vs Glick, Paterson vs Theo Medina are two fantastic examples.

but here we have a beauty in Steele vs Vince Dundee http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUL-6M9wKwA maybe this has been restored. Dundee was a WW cum MW and Steele certainly had all the advantages, height, weight, reach and youth but great footage never-the-less!

it's old clean and perfect footage like this that proofs, if ever there was any doubt, that these lads could fight and makes comparisons easier!

we need more of it.

Thanks a million, Jimglen.

There is a window of time when each one of these guys is at his best.

Dundee had bad luck in which fights of his were filmed, here and with Yarosz.

Steele had good luck, caught at his best against Lesnevitch and here with Dundee.

Dundee's way of leaning his head back didn't work with an opponent with arms as long as Steele's.

Dundee was caught early and it was amazing he stayed as long as he did.

I could see a glimmer of an excellent boxer in Dundee, with an interesting counter right hand and a good right hand to the body, and wish I could see more of him at an earlier time in his career with a different opponent, but this was the wrong opponent for him at the wrong time.

Al Herford, who managed Joe Gans, was connected with Dundee.

The brutality of this massacre was from another age.

Compare it to the stoppages of more recent fights, such as Ali-Lyle, Leonard-Hearns I, Tyson-Carl Williams, etc.

That is really clear. Thank you for that treasure. I love to see these old timers in
action. Such an interesting era.

Easy to say and see with hindsight,

but Dundee should have set up his stance a half step further away.

It appears he was very confident of his ability to outbox Steele, who he must have mistakenly thought was just a local punk and wild swinger.

(If I am not mistaken, all of Steele's fights up to that point in time had taken place in his home area of the northwest United States.]

With hindsight, at the start it would have better for Dundee to do little, stay at a distance, and determine the range (length) of Steele's various punches before taking a stance in so close.

Tommy Gibbons said he did a similar thing at the very start of his fight with Dempsey, and found out immediately that Dempsey hit far harder than he had expected. Gibbons quickly adjusted and held on to last 15 rounds, but he later said, after observing Tunney, that Tunney had a better fight plan against Dempsey than he did.

To give an idea of how devastating Steele was at this moment in time, Dundee in a career of 139 fights against the top of his division had NEVER been stopped This was the ONLY time Dundee was ever stopped in a total of 154 fights.

Notice that when Dundee fell the first time, he appears to hit the back of his head or neck against the ropes very near the corner, where the ropes are much stiffer and have no give. That is very dangerous. That is how featherweight champion Davey Moore was killed in his fight with Sugar Ramos.

"Referee McCarthy stopped the bout midway through the round after Dundee, the former middleweight champion of [sic: FROM] Baltimore, had been knocked down eleven times. Dundee . . . sustained a slight concussion and a broken jaw on the left side, between the second and third molars, clear through. He was taken to Seattle's Providence Hospital, where he recuperated about a week. Doctors advised him not to fight for three months or longer."

incredible footage. thanks!

The ref was working as hard as he could for Steele.

The ref never brushed off Dundee's gloves when Dundee got up after the knockdowns, which enabled Steele to get at Dundee sooner.

The ref also motions Steele eagerly to come in once Dundee is up, acting like he is one of Steele's cornermen.

The ref also hurried in to stop any clinch before it hardly started, making sure further that Dundee had as little time a possible to recover before Steele was at him again.

granberry wrote:The ref was working as hard as he could for Steele.

The ref never brushed off Dundee's gloves when Dundee got up after the knockdowns, which enabled Steele to get at Dundee sooner.

The ref also motions Steele eagerly to come in once Dundee is up, acting like he is one of Steele's cornermen.

The ref also hurried in to stop any clinch before it hardly started, making sure further that Dundee had as little time a possible to recover before Steele was at him again.

Something to do with the steel industry?