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What happens?

This is a tough one. I do not see Ingo being slick enough to
out box and avoid Chuvalo. I also do not see him KOing him,
though that is possible.

I would say Chuvalo catches up with Ingo around the 6 or 7th
round. George gets wobbled and has a busted lip, Ingo is smacked
hard by Chuvalo's left hook. It has its exchanges, but i think
Ingo gives up ground often and fights a retreating battle, picking
his shots as best as he can.

Chuvalo KO 7.

I'm walkin in betting on George.

Johansson survives a final-round scare to win a decision with harder, more precise punching.

Really, the biggest threat to Johansson here is that he arrives in condition not steeled for fifteen rounds. Perhaps he would shape up here, because he's an outright fool if he rocks up banking on a KO.

I could see how if Chuvalo stays close on his chest, stays busy, & Johansson has trained poorly, this could go the other way. All things being equal, though, Johansson is the better man, & should win it.

George finds a way to get it done, imo.

Ingo would probably take a early lead and carry it into the middle rounds, but I just see George physically beating Ingo down little by little with the body punching and discouraging Ingo. Ingo either retires sometime after the 10th or Chuvalo wins the decision going away.

yancey wrote:George finds a way to get it done, imo.

Ingo would probably take a early lead and carry it into the middle rounds, but I just see George physically beating Ingo down little by little with the body punching and discouraging Ingo. Ingo either retires sometime after the 10th or Chuvalo wins the decision going away.

I agree Chuvalo finishes stronger down the stretch, but I question if he has the firepower to finish the job.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Johansson survives a final-round scare to win a decision with harder, more precise punching.

Really, the biggest threat to Johansson here is that he arrives in condition not steeled for fifteen rounds. Perhaps he would shape up here, because he's an outright fool if he rocks up banking on a KO.

I could see how if Chuvalo stays close on his chest, stays busy, & Johansson has trained poorly, this could go the other way. All things being equal, though, Johansson is the better man, & should win it.

That sounds about how I see it. Ingo doesn't seem to get much love anymore, but when he was prepared, he was a very good fighter.

Johansson by decision.

Chuvalo managed to lose to Pete Rademacher and Buster Mathis remember. I like Johansson on points.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Johansson survives a final-round scare to win a decision with harder, more precise punching.

Really, the biggest threat to Johansson here is that he arrives in condition not steeled for fifteen rounds. Perhaps he would shape up here, because he's an outright fool if he rocks up banking on a KO.

I could see how if Chuvalo stays close on his chest, stays busy, & Johansson has trained poorly, this could go the other way. All things being equal, though, Johansson is the better man, & should win it.

I disagree. Ingo never showed top notch conditioning (see him falling apart partly from fatigue in Patterson III and vs London) nor durability. He also, while a fair boxer, was not some slickster mechanic. I don't see him surviving Chuvalo's pressure and body punching for 15 rounds in any case.

Mr E wrote:Chuvalo managed to lose to Pete Rademacher and Buster Mathis remember. I like Johansson on points.

Ingo was not nearly as slick or skillful as Mathis.

dempseyfire wrote:

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Johansson survives a final-round scare to win a decision with harder, more precise punching.

Really, the biggest threat to Johansson here is that he arrives in condition not steeled for fifteen rounds. Perhaps he would shape up here, because he's an outright fool if he rocks up banking on a KO.

I could see how if Chuvalo stays close on his chest, stays busy, & Johansson has trained poorly, this could go the other way. All things being equal, though, Johansson is the better man, & should win it.

I disagree. Ingo never showed top notch conditioning (see him falling apart partly from fatigue in Patterson III and vs London) nor durability. He also, while a fair boxer, was not some slickster mechanic. I don't see him surviving Chuvalo's pressure and body punching for 15 rounds in any case.

Johansson went 13 rounds twice and came on strong to stop both opponents (Joe Erskine and Franco Cavicchi).

He was obviously in horrible shape against Brian London and especially Patterson the third time.

Going 13 and beating up Joe Erskine doesn't signify to me he had the late fight durability to survive a peak Chuvalo. Erskine's claim to fame is narrowly beating a green Henry Cooper, who knocked him out twice in their return bouts, and getting humiliated by Nino Valdez in his step-up to the world class level.

Ingo never beat a world class guy he couldn't knock out. And I don't see him moving and giving angles strong enough for 15 like a Mathis, Ali or even a Rademacher could. Styles make fights and Chuvalo is all wrong for Ingo.

Chuvalo never beat anyone as good as Johansson, for that matter.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Chuvalo never beat anyone as good as Johansson, for that matter.

Jerry Quarry

You sneaky devil...

I believe you're among the first to point out the circumstances of Quarry's loss to Chuvalo, in defense of Quarry, intimating the loss is illegitimate in nature.

Now, here you are... 8)

Goodnight, Irene wrote:You sneaky devil...

I believe you're among the first to point out the circumstances of Quarry's loss to Chuvalo, in defense of Quarry, intimating the loss is illegitimate in nature.

Now, here you are... 8)

Hey, a win is a win . ..

I respectfully submit that some of you gentlemen grossly over-rate Chuvalo's cardio.

He was not a Marciano/Frazier type "pressure" fighter capable of overwhelming folks with 15 rounds of continuous punching. To the contrary, he frequently took mid-round breaks, couple rounds off, etc., to get his second wind. Of course, he was physically indestructible, so he could afford to do that, but he was not some irresistable force of nature type juggernaut, that's for sure.

dempseyfire wrote:

Mr E wrote:Chuvalo managed to lose to Pete Rademacher and Buster Mathis remember. I like Johansson on points.

Ingo was not nearly as slick or skillful as Mathis.

Well, okay, but Ingo was slick and skillful enough to outbox Chuvalo. I thought the issue on the table was "durability" and Ingo was every bit as durable as Big Buster. And unlike Mathis, Ingo would have something for Chuvalo to think about, namely that big right hand.

Mr E wrote:...Ingo was every bit as durable as Big Buster.

I'm not sure I would agree with this statement.

Mr E wrote:

dempseyfire wrote:

Mr E wrote:Chuvalo managed to lose to Pete Rademacher and Buster Mathis remember. I like Johansson on points.

Ingo was not nearly as slick or skillful as Mathis.

Well, okay, but Ingo was slick and skillful enough to outbox Chuvalo. I thought the issue on the table was "durability" and Ingo was every bit as durable as Big Buster. .

Based on what? Mathis went 11 hard round with Frazier, the distance with Ali, Chuvalo, and Quarry. What top flight heavyweights did Ingo go the distance with?

I don't recall Chuvalo in his prime taking many rounds off (see the Patterson fight) No of course he didn't bring the relentless skilled pressure of a Frazier, but you better have strong legs and the ability to absorb some punishment if you were going to prevail vs George. Ingo was an OK boxer but besides the tricky right hand, he really had no special attributes. I fail to see a guy who failed to go the distance with Patterson twice and who was basically KO'd by London having the durability to last 15 with a prime Chuvalo.

Based on what? Mathis went 11 hard round with Frazier, the distance with Ali, Chuvalo, and Quarry. What top flight heavyweights did Ingo go the distance with?

I don't recall Chuvalo in his prime taking many rounds off (see the Patterson fight) No of course he didn't bring the relentless skilled pressure of a Frazier, but you better have strong legs and the ability to absorb some punishment if you were going to prevail vs George. Ingo was an OK boxer but besides the tricky right hand, he really had no special attributes. I fail to see a guy who failed to go the distance with Patterson twice and who was basically KO'd by London having the durability to last 15 with a prime Chuvalo.

I hate to argue with a guy with a great name like "dempseyfire" but there it is.

I don't know man, I thought Mathis faded like a cheap shirt against Frazier and he looked dreadful against Quarry who completely cleaned his clock.

Defensively, I think Ingo is under-rated.

His trouble with Patterson had less to do with stamina than it did with Floyd bouncing those sizzling combinations off his ribs and chin. At the end of the day, Ingo could not cope with Floyd's handspeed, which is a problem he would not face against Chuvalo.

The London fight, that was a bad one. Calls Norton-LeDoux to mind. But I think Ingo was done by then-- that was not the guy who fought Cooper, Machen, and Patterson, I don't think.

I guess I've never been as impressed w/ Chuvalo as some of the rest of you. He did beat Quarry -- with a bit of luck, I think -- as well as Doug Jones and a completely shot Cleveland Williams. But, as mentioned, he couldn't overcome Mathis, Rademacher -- or Ellis, Folley, or Eduardo Corletti either, come to think of it, and none of those guys was what you'd call "durable."

I have a heap of Chuvalo fights and the guy is impressive, he is up
and down at times, like a lot of non champions, this is in part to his
Ill fight anyone on short notice attitude.

Mathis was a good fighter, but he lacked the over all talent and
greatness to be a champion. His fight with Chuvalo was good and had
alot of activity, both men went hard for the distance, though it was
clear that Mathis was the better schooled fighter.

Ingo has a shot no doubt, but I think a prime Chuvalo has a decent
chance at taking some good Ingo Bingo's on the jaw and then
returning fire with his lovely left hook. It would have cool moments
for both men.

Is the Corletti-Chuvalo fight on film? That is one of those results when you kinda scratch your head and go "huh?" Although Corletti was a skilled former Olympian.

I do not have it. Though I am sure if you look into the back story, you may find
an explanation as to why Chuvalo didn't do so well.

I just watched George vs Patterson and Doug Jones earlier this week, both fun fights to watch.