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Haye is fighting Ruiz next I know

But I'm just thinking Holyfield just dont go away - and is always forcing himself in the picture

He put up just as good performance as Haye did against Valuev

And Holyfield would want to fight Haye for the WBA title I am sure

Its a possibilty

And I think more likley than Haye facing a Klitshko soon

What do you reckon - it will or wont happen ?

I hope not. Evander is my all time favourite fighter.

I think Evander could win by left hook ko.

DG. wrote:I hope not. Evander is my all time favourite fighter.

I think Evander could win by left hook ko.

no way mate haye would knock out holyfieldin the later rounds

Evander is a tough man to put away.

Despite being a faded force - he has only been stopped twice in a stella career -

the last stoppage in 2003 - against a vastly experieced fighter in James Toney

the frist time in 1995 when bout of flu interputed his fight preparation for the Riddick Bowe fight and weakened him going into the Bowe fight

Depsite his advancing years - for Haye to stop him would be a impressive result

Evander has the experience to expose Hayes greeness in comparison to him

FLINT ISLAND wrote:Evander is a tough man to put away.

Despite being a faded force - he has only been stopped twice in a stella career -

the last stoppage in 2003 - against a vastly experieced fighter in James Toney

the frist time in 1995 when bout of flu interputed his fight preparation for the Riddick Bowe fight and weakened him going into the Bowe fight

Depsite his advancing years - for Haye to stop him would be a impressive result

Evander has the experience to expose Hayes greeness in comparison to him

Yep. Agree.
Haye won`t be the hardest hitting heavy to share the ring with Evander .. but Evander will be the smartest heavy to share a ring with Haye .. even at this stage of Holyfields career.

Yep I agree

Holyfield has taken punches from

Riddick Bowe
Mike Tyson
Lennox Lewis

He fought that trio over a course of 7 fights - and only got stopped once - to Bowe - when he was weakned by flu a couple of weeks before the fight

This fight will be a farce if it happens. Holyfield is finished as a serious contender. He was badly outclassed by fat James Toney and Larry Donald, he has no buisness fighting for a world title. Losing to the worst champion in the division should not negate the fact that he is a 46 year old who hasn't beaten a top ten fighter in almost eight years.

tonyevs wrote: Haye won`t be the hardest hitting heavy to share the ring with Evander .. but Evander will be the smartest heavy to share a ring with Haye .. even at this stage of Holyfields career.

I genuinely think that Haye would be the most explosive heavyweight Holyfield has faced, definitely more so than Lewis and Bowe. And in relation to Tyson, the version that Holyfield fought was no-way near the same explosive Tyson that existed prior to his imprisonment.

I take nothing away from Holyfield's achievements. A true Warrior but im convinced that Haye would severely worsen Holyfield's existing brain-damage. Time for Holyfield to definitely wrap it up.

FLINT ISLAND wrote:Haye is fighting Ruiz next I know

But I'm just thinking Holyfield just dont go away - and is always forcing himself in the picture

He put up just as good performance as Haye did against Valuev

And Holyfield would want to fight Haye for the WBA title I am sure

Its a possibilty

And I think more likley than Haye facing a Klitshko soon

What do you reckon - it will or wont happen ?

haye was faster on the trigger and hence scored more, and had valuev wobbling at the end.

both were uneventful fights but really i think it's clear that haye did the better.

but what pisses me off is that haye was content just to negate, to coast for long periods. that he didn't unleash that right hand every time he breezed out of the corners. with booth saying, "don't get drunk on the success you are having", it was a bizarre scene, like they are in their own little bubble. and yet they calculated right, winning clearly on two cards.

haye would be far too fast for holyfield, who did barely anything vs ibragimov in that other unsuccessful recent world title challenge of his.

He was seriously rocked in the Ruiz matches.. I love Holyfield and in his prime he'd have eaten David alive and take into consideration Im a HUGE David Haye fan too.. But at this moment he'd stop Evander quite quickly too I feel.. I for 1 wouldn't wanna watch it..

haye easy at this stage

Bomber 1 wrote:He was seriously rocked in the Ruiz matches.. I love Holyfield and in his prime he'd have eaten David alive and take into consideration Im a HUGE David Haye fan too.. But at this moment he'd stop Evander quite quickly too I feel.. I for 1 wouldn't wanna watch it..

I wouldn't want to watch it, either. Thankfully when Holyfield was asked if he'd fight Haye, quite a while ago, he said he wasn't interested in fighting the young, up and coming boxers any more. Let's hope he stays true to that.

Asterix wrote:

Bomber 1 wrote:He was seriously rocked in the Ruiz matches.. I love Holyfield and in his prime he'd have eaten David alive and take into consideration Im a HUGE David Haye fan too.. But at this moment he'd stop Evander quite quickly too I feel.. I for 1 wouldn't wanna watch it..

I wouldn't want to watch it, either. Thankfully when Holyfield was asked if he'd fight Haye, quite a while ago, he said he wasn't interested in fighting the young, up and coming boxers any more. Let's hope he stays true to that.

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this is a Haye knocker thread



go away

liamlion wrote:

tonyevs wrote: Haye won`t be the hardest hitting heavy to share the ring with Evander .. but Evander will be the smartest heavy to share a ring with Haye .. even at this stage of Holyfields career.

I genuinely think that Haye would be the most explosive heavyweight Holyfield has faced, definitely more so than Lewis and Bowe. And in relation to Tyson, the version that Holyfield fought was no-way near the same explosive Tyson that existed prior to his imprisonment.

I take nothing away from Holyfield's achievements. A true Warrior but im convinced that Haye would severely worsen Holyfield's existing brain-damage. Time for Holyfield to definitely wrap it up.

I think the central point is that whilst a prime Holyfield could have lived wioth the power and speed of Haye's punches, the 47 year old version ain't gonna manage it.

liamlion wrote:

tonyevs wrote: Haye won`t be the hardest hitting heavy to share the ring with Evander .. but Evander will be the smartest heavy to share a ring with Haye .. even at this stage of Holyfields career.

I genuinely think that Haye would be the most explosive heavyweight Holyfield has faced, definitely more so than Lewis and Bowe. And in relation to Tyson, the version that Holyfield fought was no-way near the same explosive Tyson that existed prior to his imprisonment.

I take nothing away from Holyfield's achievements. A true Warrior but im convinced that Haye would severely worsen Holyfield's existing brain-damage. Time for Holyfield to definitely wrap it up.

You really think Haye hits harder than Lewis, Bowe or even a past prime Tyson - jog on mate.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

liamlion wrote:I genuinely think that Haye would be the most explosive heavyweight Holyfield has faced, definitely more so than Lewis and Bowe. And in relation to Tyson, the version that Holyfield fought was no-way near the same explosive Tyson that existed prior to his imprisonment.

I take nothing away from Holyfield's achievements. A true Warrior but im convinced that Haye would severely worsen Holyfield's existing brain-damage. Time for Holyfield to definitely wrap it up.

You really think Haye hits harder than Lewis, Bowe or even a past prime Tyson - jog on mate.

He didn't say that, James.

Asterix wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

liamlion wrote:I genuinely think that Haye would be the most explosive heavyweight Holyfield has faced, definitely more so than Lewis and Bowe. And in relation to Tyson, the version that Holyfield fought was no-way near the same explosive Tyson that existed prior to his imprisonment.

I take nothing away from Holyfield's achievements. A true Warrior but im convinced that Haye would severely worsen Holyfield's existing brain-damage. Time for Holyfield to definitely wrap it up.

You really think Haye hits harder than Lewis, Bowe or even a past prime Tyson - jog on mate.

He didn't say that, James.

Yes he did.

Read his post. What else does 'I genuinely think that haye would be the most explosive heavyweightHolyfield has faced, definitely more so than Lewis and Bowe.'

It's right above there in the post.

What else do you construe this to mean?

It shouldn't be allowed to happen. Haye would be in a no-win situ. If he wins everyone slags him off for beating a faded version of a great fighter (ala Marciano - Louis), if he loses people will slag him off for losing to a faded version of a great fighter. Holyfield has had his day, let Haye build his own legacy - if he can

holyfield in fighting botha is clearly demonstrating how he wants to end his career decent paydays for minimal risk. A fight between haye and holy would do neither man good as david would lose credibilty for knocking out an ancient legend and holy may get seriously hurt by a very hard hitting champion.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:What else do you construe this to mean?

I interpreted it the same way as you James, but if I was being kind I guess you could choose to intepret it in a different way e.g. Tyson was an explosive puncher, whereas Foreman had more ponderous, thudding shots - doesn't necessarily mean that Tyson hit harder than Foreman, just a different kind of power.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Yes he did.

Read his post. What else does 'I genuinely think that haye would be the most explosive heavyweightHolyfield has faced, definitely more so than Lewis and Bowe.'

It's right above there in the post.

What else do you construe this to mean?

That Haye is more explosive, which does not mean that he's a harder puncher.

funso banjo baby wrote:this is a Haye knocker thread



go away

F off you sad obessive bastard

So I cant make a thread about a potential Haye future fight without being accused of knocking Haye

Get a life

For the record - I voted Haye on points

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Asterix wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:I genuinely think that Haye would be the most explosive heavyweight Holyfield has faced, definitely more so than Lewis and Bowe. And in relation to Tyson, the version that Holyfield fought was no-way near the same explosive Tyson that existed prior to his imprisonment.

I take nothing away from Holyfield's achievements. A true Warrior but im convinced that Haye would severely worsen Holyfield's existing brain-damage. Time for Holyfield to definitely wrap it up.

You really think Haye hits harder than Lewis, Bowe or even a past prime Tyson - jog on mate.

He didn't say that, James.

Yes he did.

Read his post. What else does 'I genuinely think that haye would be the most explosive heavyweightHolyfield has faced, definitely more so than Lewis and Bowe.'

It's right above there in the post.

What else do you construe this to mean?

I took it to mean that his punches are thrown explosively (i.e with more velocity) but not necessarily harder. Another heavyweight example you could use would be the Eddie Chambers v Sam Peter fight where you had an explosive but light puncher against a heavy hitting much slower puncher.

Against Holyfield a sharpshooting puncher would have a much better chance of getting the stoppage as the old man knows how to roll with a shot.

Well, Haye's not as explosive as Tyson.