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I loved reading Ring Magazine when I was kid in the 70's.

I wished they would an on line archives like Sports Illustrated. You can read what folks were saying about famous fight in real time before the revisionists try to tell us what we really had seen.

Once Nat Fleischer died in the early 1970's, the RING magazine was no longer the RING magazine.

Instead, what dragged on under the same title
was crap from Stanley Weston's boy Steve Farhood ,
then crap from drunken Bert Sugar and his cronies,
and finally crap from burnt out 1960's lefty Nigel Collins.

The above clowns who put out the reeking 'continuation' of the magazine after Fleischer died should be sued for impersonating the real thing.

I agree. I took 'The Ring' from November 1948 to the late sixties. After Nat it was all downhill. I sold most of the early ones (up to the early 60s to an American buyer). I still have boxes of 'Rings' , Boxing & Wrestling Illustrated, plus a great number of other titles.from the early 60s to the 90s.

How did Bert Sugar get into boxing, because I have never been a fan
and find his articles to be tedious.

Bert Sugar, at one time, I had some minute faith in. But as I've grown as a fan, I've realized the man is all about myths, legends and tall tales. How he got into the HOF is beyond me. The only thing I can agree with him on is that Sam Langford is the greatest fighter of all time.

It's not as great as it can be, but it still has great boxing pictures. I do like the updates from fights in Asia in the end, and some interviews, but other than that its pretty outdated stuff you find in the net.

Who can forget some of the great covers and pics from the fights? I remember the Bernard Hopkins one where he's jumping and the beautiful Jeff Lacy cover. And lets not forget the Hitman Hearns cover as well.

HomicideHenry wrote:Bert Sugar. . . How he got into the HOF is beyond me..

He VOTED himself in.

Along with his buddies like Barney Nagler.

You should read Irving Rudds book. Takes a goodly poke at old Nat Fleischer.

I like Ring magazine and would buy it like I used to, but at
$20 a pop for a lot of adverts...I do not think I will be getting
it all that often.

I do enjoy digging up the older issues when ever I find them.

slakka wrote:You should read Irving Rudds book. Takes a goodly poke at old Nat Fleischer.

Irving Rudd became a pr man for Don King.

I remember when King sent Rudd to intimidate Jimmy Young and tell him to shut up when Young was complaining that he wasn't getting a rematch with Ali.

Rudd was under five feet tall and he came about up to Young's belt.

Rudd was one of the most offensive pieces of crap I have ever come across.

granberry wrote:

slakka wrote:You should read Irving Rudds book. Takes a goodly poke at old Nat Fleischer.

Irving Rudd became a pr man for Don King.

I remember when King sent Rudd to intimidate Jimmy Young and tell him to shut up when Young was complaining that he wasn't getting a rematch with Ali.

Rudd was under five feet tall and he came about up to Young's belt.

Rudd was one of the most offensive pieces of crap I have ever come across.

But what he said about Nat, is that now invalidated?

slakka wrote:

granberry wrote:

slakka wrote:You should read Irving Rudds book. Takes a goodly poke at old Nat Fleischer.

Irving Rudd became a pr man for Don King.

I remember when King sent Rudd to intimidate Jimmy Young and tell him to shut up when Young was complaining that he wasn't getting a rematch with Ali.

Rudd was under five feet tall and he came about up to Young's belt.

Rudd was one of the most offensive pieces of crap I have ever come across.

But what he said about Nat, is that now invalidated?

Nat said everything there is to say about Nat by putting out the RING magazine for fifty years.

It immediately went into the toilet as soon as Fleischer died.

All the Bert Sugars, Steve Farhoods, and Nigel Collins in the world couldn't keep it going.

Do you not think a lot of the problems with The Ring was they had the monopoly in the early days, whereas today we have so much information at hand via the internet that magazine sales have dropped. Thats across the board for most magazines. They lose subscriptions, which means less money, less articles, cheaper reporters, more advertising etc..etc..

Why spend £5 a month on a magazine when you can go online and watch fights on Youtube and read newspaper clips, forums, wikipedia and alike.

The accusation against Nat were like, want your fighter on the cover of the mag?

Pay up!! $$$$

Ring magazine (and Boxing News) ought to put make all their back issues from day 1 available for download.

At the right price, that would be a nice little earner, especially now those e-book readers are taking off.

granberry wrote:

slakka wrote:

granberry wrote: Irving Rudd became a pr man for Don King.

I remember when King sent Rudd to intimidate Jimmy Young and tell him to shut up when Young was complaining that he wasn't getting a rematch with Ali.

Rudd was under five feet tall and he came about up to Young's belt.

Rudd was one of the most offensive pieces of crap I have ever come across.

But what he said about Nat, is that now invalidated?

Nat said everything there is to say about Nat by putting out the RING magazine for fifty years.

It immediately went into the toilet as soon as Fleischer died.

All the Bert Sugars, Steve Farhoods, and Nigel Collins in the world couldn't keep it going.

Who was at the healm when they got caught rigging records in return for money from Don King to "help" his United States Boxing Tournement?

"Who was at the healm when they got caught rigging records in return for money from Don King to "help" his United States Boxing Tournement?"

Wasn't Nat Loubet in charge then?

My late friend Nat Loubet was at the helm. But, unlike Fleischer, Nat Loubet focused mostly on the business aspects of the magazine. He made the mistake of turning editorial content (including record book content) over to Johnny Ort, and it was Ort who was accused of phonying up the records for King.

Robinson wrote:How did Bert Sugar get into boxing, because I have never been a fan
and find his articles to be tedious.

I came across some of Sugar's publications when I was doing research for a thesis in college last year. The majority of his information is lifted from other authors but is given the 'Sugar Spin' as I called it. One of the most unreliable sources I came across in my five months of research.

raylawpc wrote:My late friend Nat Loubet was at the helm. But, unlike Fleischer, Nat Loubet focused mostly on the business aspects of the magazine. He made the mistake of turning editorial content (including record book content) over to Johnny Ort, and it was Ort who was accused of phonying up the records for King.

I remember when pathetic Nat Loubet gave the fighter of the month award to Ali for his fight with Jimmy Young.

LOL

John Galt wrote:
Wasn't Nat Loubet in charge then?

Nat Fleischer died in 1972.

The phony tournament was in 1977.

Deno1986 wrote:

Robinson wrote:How did Bert Sugar get into boxing, because I have never been a fan
and find his articles to be tedious.

I came across some of Sugar's publications when I was doing research for a thesis in college last year. The majority of his information is lifted from other authors but is given the 'Sugar Spin' as I called it. One of the most unreliable sources I came across in my five months of research.

Sugar published record books written by other people. They did the work and he took credit.

Then somehow he became editor of the dregs that were left of the Ring magazine.

Sugar's Ring magazine was riddled with mistakes.

I remember when Sugar's incompetent buddy Barney Nagler wrote an article filled with mistakes--including that Jimmy McLarnin held the lightweight title, that Zivic won a decision in the second Armstrong fight, etc. etc.

Sugar and Nagler elected each other to the boxing writers' 'hall of fame.'

Once I was in NY to interview someone and I stopped by the Ring offices. It was about noon and Sugar was just leaving to get drunk at 'lunch.' He said, "Oh, yes, I know you; you're working on ______________. I'm with you on that."

I said to him, "Are you AGAINST me on something else?"

In the short time I talked to Sugar he made several gross mistakes of facts as he tried to impress me by talking about boxing.

I know little about alcoholics since I don’t drink, but there was something weird about Sugar’s manner, his forced jollity.

His technique as ‘editor’ (I was told by some who worked for him) was to come into the offices at 11 am, and then leave at 12 for ‘lunch,’ where he drank himself into a stupor and never returned to the office.

Ring magazine is awful.

Uk based Boxing Monthly is the best read although it's only been going since the late 1980s, I think. Unfortunately their website is crap but the magazine itself tries to give a balanced view of the sport, fights and people in the sport. It doesn't scrimp on local and domestic fights either.

Many moons ago, when Nat Loubet was the boss at Ring I went to his office seeking work. As a former amateur boxer, budding historian and a college graduate with emphasis in journalism, I looked on Ring as a catholic looks upon the Vatican.

But I was disappointed with the Pope. In a half hour with Loubet all he did was bad mouth boxing. He told me fighters were idiots, managers nickel and dime money grabbers, promoters scum etc. He said he would not give me a job because I could do better.

I did. A few years later, I worked for Hank Kaplan who had Boxing Digest and loved boxing and cared for all pugs.

enrique wrote:Many moons ago, when Nat Loubet was the boss at Ring I went to his office seeking work. As a former amateur boxer, budding historian and a college graduate with emphasis in journalism, I looked on Ring as a catholic looks upon the Vatican.

But I was disappointed with the Pope. In a half hour with Loubet all he did was bad mouth boxing. He told me fighters were idiots, managers nickel and dime money grabbers, promoters scum etc. He said he would not give me a job because I could do better.

I did. A few years later, I worked for Hank Kaplan who had Boxing Digest and loved boxing and cared for all pugs.

The Ring magazine was through once Nat Fleischer died.

Nat Loubet was not the Pope.

He was only Fleischer's son in law, and obvously didn't belong in that position.

Neither did Bert Sugar, Steve Farhood, or Nigel Collins.

All these clowns made a blasphemy of what the real Ring magazine was.