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Jack Johnson/Vaudeville/Music Hall Act footage(1911)

Posted: 28 Dec 2009, 05:55
by Brutu
HeGrant came across thisover at youtube and posted it at the cyberboxingzone forum originally.
Its additional footage of of Jack Johnson's traveling troupe act he gave
at various vaudeville houses and Music Halls both in the U.S.A and abroad.
additional scenes of this film short can also be seen on the DVD UNFORGIVABLE BLACKNESS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWJNa93ndZE

Re: Jack Johnson/Vaudeville/Music Hall Act footage(1911)

Posted: 28 Dec 2009, 06:02
by Brutu
The original title of the 1911 short film,is
HOW THE CHAMPION OF THE WORLD TRAINS:JACK JOHNSON IN DEFENSE AND ATTACK.(produced by Kineto LTD.)
I believe the only known print is a surviving Dutch distribution print archived at the Nederlands Filmmuseum.

source of info ,FIGHT PICTURES by Dan Streible(page 240)

Re: Jack Johnson/Vaudeville/Music Hall Act footage(1911)

Posted: 28 Dec 2009, 08:03
by Brutu


Thats Marty" Kid Cutler' sparring with him at 2:12 into it.
George"Kid "Cotton' use to spar with Johnson for about 4 rounds,then Cutler for about 2 rounds.
when they toured America earlier.
However I dont think Kid Cotten came with them to Europe.

Re: Jack Johnson/Vaudeville/Music Hall Act footage(1911)

Posted: 28 Dec 2009, 08:47
by Brutu
The Dutch distribution print is entitled
Jack Johnson:Der Meister Boxer der Welt(1912),c. 5 minutes in length.

IMOP its the best film preserved footage there is of Jack Johnson.
They show a couple more additional scenes of it
on the DVD UNFORGIVABLE BLACKNESS.
Where it shows some guys walking on Johnson's stomach and Jack Johnson swinging around some heavyset guy
holding on his neck.
So why didnt that DVD Unforgivable Blackness just show the entire 1912, 5 minute feature as an extra?

Re: Jack Johnson/Vaudeville/Music Hall Act footage(1911)

Posted: 28 Dec 2009, 12:46
by wouter
Brutu wrote:The Dutch distribution print is entitled
Jack Johnson:Der Meister Boxer der Welt(1912),c. 5 minutes in length.
That's German.

Re: Jack Johnson/Vaudeville/Music Hall Act footage(1911)

Posted: 28 Dec 2009, 13:40
by klompton
I own the full film.

Re: Jack Johnson/Vaudeville/Music Hall Act footage(1911)

Posted: 28 Dec 2009, 19:09
by Brutu
Its from a 35mm film print from the archives of a film museum in Amsterdam.
Which is why it looks so good.
I think if you add up all the time of these scenes from it and the scenes of it on the Ken Burn's documentery,
probably add up about a minute.
What is Jack Johnson doing on it for the other 4 minutes?

Re: Jack Johnson/Vaudeville/Music Hall Act footage(1911)

Posted: 29 Dec 2009, 01:55
by Brutu
That short film was probably filmed in Westminster London England
as Jack Johnson was doing his show at the Oxford Music Hall there at that timeand also thats where the Kineto studios were located.

Re: Jack Johnson/Vaudeville/Music Hall Act footage(1911)

Posted: 30 Dec 2009, 20:45
by Brutu
It would be interesting if a boxing historian detailed all of Jack Johnson Vaudeville appearances,particularly touring acts that appeared in small one horse towns
during the 1920's-1930's and 1940's.

Re: Jack Johnson/Vaudeville/Music Hall Act footage(1911)

Posted: 02 Jan 2010, 00:57
by Brutu
Brutu wrote:


Thats Marty" Kid Cutler' sparring with him at 2:12 into it.
George"Kid "Cotton' use to spar with Johnson for about 4 rounds,then Cutler for about 2 rounds.
when they toured America earlier.
However I dont think Kid Cotton came with them to Europe.
Reportley another sparring partner came over with Jack Johnson's troupe to England in 1911.
Walter Monahan,who had also appeared on stage sparring with Johnson in America.
However that looks like Kid Cutler to me in the footage.