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a linage that needs no defence!

this man could have been a real addition to this board!

jimglen wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIbSKo_WOuU&NR=1

a linage that needs no defence!

this man could have been a real addition to this board!

If only he'd joined just once and announced who he was.

Rather than coming in under 6 aliases.

Or did you think he was deserving of special treatment, Jimbo? You know, 6 fake names and all?

Never really understood what happened there.

A guy who was a championship ref comes on the boards and everyone attacked him.

It's probably the email/internet thing. Most people who argue on the boards would probably be good friends if they met in a cafe or bar and struck up a conversation on boxing.

Ezzard wrote:Never really understood what happened there.

A guy who was a championship ref comes on the boards and everyone attacked him.

It's probably the email/internet thing. Most people who argue on the boards would probably be good friends if they met in a cafe or bar and struck up a conversation on boxing.

I think it all started when granberry said Arthur Mercante kicked Earnie Shavers in the head during a fight he was refereeing despite documentary evidence to the contrary. I don't know how Mr. Lipton fitted in all that.

it had nothing to do with Granberry!

it was Mr. Lipton being ridiculed about a video on youtube, that merely demonstrated what excellent shape he is in for a man any age, never mind 63... and of course in-tow with all Mr. Liptons videos, they are either teaching videos or ones about his association with boxing or Boxing greats!

of course "our" resident Assasin took it upon himself, and with the support of the 1 or 2 others that league in with him, decided to try and marginalize and destroy rather than Talk BOXING and what Mr. Lipton and others had to offer or discuss.

I agree Collins, Mr. Lipton should have come on here and dealt with the snide remarks, but lets face it you do the same with everybody - lash out and attack, rather than discuss the boxing, the facts or the insight these people can offer. It's a shame too Collins, your a smart guy who could really join in these topics the way people expect mature, honest people to respond, but for some reason you take the teenage or juvenile route instead.

Please lets not discourage anymore Boxing personel like this again.
Boxing is suffering enough and great fighters long since gone lose out to the modern day "Calzaghe is possibly the greatest fighter Britain has ever produced..." kind of media and ill informed fan we get today. We need Mr. Lipton and his peers here, or on any site!

Collins isn't, "taking a route," with his juvenile sh!t, any more than an Ant, "takes a route" of following the colony without question.

Each are doing what they're meant to do --- the only thing they're capable of. It's their nature, & neither could ever demonstrate the ability to reach beyond it.

Collins should've been banned a long time ago. Almost his entire purpose for being here is to be in wars & flame. The posts don't lie. Consistent pettiness, with comparatively little Boxing talk.

Can someone help me here? (Collins no comments about how I am "beyond help".

Wasn't there some doubt about his authenticity? In his defense Multiple names could simply be due to someone who can't remember their password or some other such oddity. But it could bring out the doubters in challenging mode. I'm not sure we are expected to simply accept any and all contributors on face value. I also am against using our contributions as a vehicles for visceral hatefulness even in the process of exposing potential fraud. I prefer that jokers just lose credibility based on their obvious lack of integrity. Collins will tell you that this worked just fine in the case of me impersonating as a backyard boxing historian, (though I never have claimed to have my backyard credentials or any 15 minutes of fame).

I didn't follow the Lipton controversy that closely. But I hate to run off enthusiasts even if they are eccentric. And I truly would hate to run off someone who has skin in the game just because we disagree, or don't like some odd portion of his nature. Who in their right mind participates in this sport to begin with? It's exactly the "off base" characteristics of the participants that make this sport so interesting.

I will tell you my hero's in this sport consist of the Joe Louis's and Kostya Tzyu's and those who (in my opinion) are not only champion's but seem to champion traditional values. But I will also tell you that if it wasn't for the Don King's, Mike Tyson's Ike Ibeabuchi's around it would be pretty boring.

I was never sure in this case, if folks didn't like what Ron had to say (which never bothered me) or if we questioned his authenticity.

I do believe this board ran Shannon Briggs off of the site, but I suppose anyone with skin in the game will have to accept that folks who post here are going to show their envy or jealous nature via hateful attention getting contributions.

I know that when famous folks contribute in national forums there are real time editors who's job it is to delete the nonsense along the way. It's simply human nature to screw with things.....and this is exponentially factual when folks can be relatively certain of their safety and/or anonymity.

This is why there are far more cyber wars than there are physical wars. And far more "fans" than boxers.

let me re phrase to say "well publicizedn national forums". Such as Television advertized moments.

BoxBuzz wrote:let me re phrase to say "well publicizedn national forums". Such as Television advertized moments.

Shannon Briggs posted here.

Cool.

Who ran him off?

He just got tired of people disrespecting him. Some doubting who he was, Many took him on in writing in a way that they never would have talked to him in person. He seriously enjoyed it for a while, even going so far as to engaging the detractors. But it got old fast, because one out of every ten contributions was a jab and run. or someone who wanted to run him down disrespectfully. I know that comes with being in the public eye, but this board is supposedly a deck stacked with enthusiasts. But the immature ass seemed to be drawn to his thread.

He really did some give and take with some tough questions, that did not seem to bother him. It was the attacking statements, not the questions that bothered him. He was even okay with sort of questions that went like..."So were you in the kitchen or the living room when you beat your wife?" He would take them on with what seemed like good humor. But the flat out attack statements eventually took the energy out of him.

I don't blame him, and I also thought it's sad that a forum like this would treat any boxer like that.

Where's the MODERATORS then!

you said it right BoxBuzz " took the energy out of him...",
man WHY are they aloowed to do this to people, if they can run Shannon Briggs off the board, what about 'lesser known' everyday people who put a great deal of effort into their passion for boxing, but are discredited by these executioners?

this site Should be So Much More, mods!

jimglen, to be fair, it's more about open forums than it is about the mods. John has a prepared a place here where the public is welcome, and where people can behave or not...often times they choose not.

There are not enough mods to get the job you would like to see done, and they are all volunteer. If there was big money in this and the mods were pro they would be up 24/7 in PROACTIVE mode. It's just not that big of an operation.

In a way it's like the real world, and at some point we have to learn to behave. Because any effort to control behavior brings out the rebels in force....polarization just happens. I have certification in behavior management, and I promise you "control" in an anonymous environment is nearly impossible. People behave when they care about themselves. And under no other circumstances.

If people have to be responsible for their behaviors, that also brings overall improvement, or if a community overall feels good about themselves they are less reactive to the idiots and that also brings improvement.
Ignoring the idiots is a pretty good plan as well, as drama comments breeds more drama. When someone who is well known reveals themselves people want proof...something that can not always be independently provided. So the doubters want to get excited...partly for good reason, but usually due to personal insecurity.

In the case of Briggs assurance of idenity was provided, and still people wanted to chime in that he was a fake, once again people's personal insecurity. So we could not stem the tide of such insecurity as it manifested in the doubts of the new arrivals.

Terrorism has it's roots in anonymity, whereby the suicide bomber will for all intents and purposes remain anonymous. Since the real meaning of anonymity is nearly synonymous with the abdication of all responsibility.
Someone who is dead, is pretty free from responsibility.

I'm not saying all is hopeless, I am saying we need to assure the insecure, and ignore those we can not help.

BoxBuzz wrote:jimglen, to be fair, it's more about open forums than it is about the mods. John has a prepared a place here where the public is welcome, and where people can behave or not...often times they choose not.

There are not enough mods to get the job you would like to see done, and they are all volunteer. If there was big money in this and the mods were pro they would be up 24/7 in PROACTIVE mode. It's just not that big of an operation.

In a way it's like the real world, and at some point we have to learn to behave. Because any effort to control behavior brings out the rebels in force....polarization just happens. I have certification in behavior management, and I promise you "control" in an anonymous environment is nearly impossible. People behave when they care about themselves. And under no other circumstances.

If people have to be responsible for their behaviors, that also brings overall improvement, or if a community overall feels good about themselves they are less reactive to the idiots and that also brings improvement.
Ignoring the idiots is a pretty good plan as well, as drama comments breeds more drama. When someone who is well known reveals themselves people want proof...something that can not always be independently provided. So the doubters want to get excited...partly for good reason, but usually due to personal insecurity.

In the case of Briggs assurance of idenity was provided, and still people wanted to chime in that he was a fake, once again people's personal insecurity. So we could not stem the tide of such insecurity as it manifested in the doubts of the new arrivals.

Terrorism has it's roots in anonymity, whereby the suicide bomber will for all intents and purposes remain anonymous. Since the real meaning of anonymity is nearly synonymous with the abdication of all responsibility.
Someone who is dead, is pretty free from responsibility.

I'm not saying all is hopeless, I am saying we need to assure the insecure, and ignore those we can not help.

HOW

good one! well I was being rhetorical I suppose. Philosophy......

Hell I don't know, good parenting? LOL, and I don't have time to personally counsel.

So the next step is to excuse those who violate our sensibilities....and we do that rather sparingly since that is a truly moving target and I know in sport discussions we attempt to tolerate much.

BoxBuzz wrote:good one! well I was being rhetorical I suppose. Philosophy......

Hell I don't know, good parenting? LOL, and I don't have time to personally counsel.

So the next step is to excuse those who violate our sensibilities....and we do that rather sparingly since that is a truly moving target and I know in sport discussions we attempt to tolerate much.

No. How did you know the poster was indeed Shannon Briggs?

via, IP confirmation and personal contact.

Notice how you needed further personal clarification? Remember how I assured you in the earlier post? However I understand that my screen name credibility with you is not great so you asked for further clarification. Now take that times hundreds of inquiring minds and imagine the problem.

I also recognize that you may now take my word, or you may still have doubts. Depending on your faith/gullibility quotient you may have believed me at first assurance OR Shannon and I will need to visit you at your home, and even then you may wonder if I have arrived with Shannon's look alike.

It's referred to by many as the Santa Clause syndrome, and is especially prevalent on line. And rightly so...who the hell knows by some writing on a digital screen what is and what is not for real? And no one wants to be played.

And so it goes.....

jimglen wrote:Where's the MODERATORS then!

you said it right BoxBuzz " took the energy out of him...",
man WHY are they aloowed to do this to people, if they can run Shannon Briggs off the board, what about 'lesser known' everyday people who put a great deal of effort into their passion for boxing, but are discredited by these executioners?

this site Should be So Much More, mods!

Jimbo, you are starting to get hysterical again.

This site is run by collins.

That's why it is the trash that it is.

Clueless buz is the enabler of collins.

Yeah, I like you a lot too granberry, but stop with your expressions of caring, your sentiments are embarrassing me.