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Forum - I believe this is worthy of another thread:

When was the last time you could remember a show being annnounced where absolutely no details of the undercard or at the very least the Chief Support fight - and the tickets going on sale with the promoters relying on a sell out crowd?

I ask the above in response to the following:

d wrote:

Spud wrote:I note there is still no announcement of the undercard and still no announcement of who is running the english side of things - Ummmm the plot thickens!!

Why is there a plot to thicken mate?
It's a Hayemaker show.
The undercard will be announced shortly.

Hayemaker do not have many fighters left Dave - If we are to believe people like George are signed to Maloney Promotions - maybe Mr Maloney does not mind him boxing on another promoters show.

In addition - Ryan Rhodes I am told is not assigned to a promoter - he is promoter free.

The reason for my "plot thickens" comment is down to - with all due respect what fighters do Hayemaker have to be able to fill a "World Heavyweight Title Show" - the first such show since Lennox fought Francois Botha back in July 2000 - are you stating Hayemaker has fighters to fill an undercard like Panix Promotions did at that time - please remember that particular show had:

Wladimir Klitschko v Monte Barrett
Scott Harrison v Tom "Boom Boom" Johnson
Adrian Stone v Geoff McCreesh
Clinton Woods v Gregg Briggs
David Walker V Billy Smith

Amongst other fights - are you stating the undercard is going to be filled with "named" fighters like that of the above made up of solely Hayemaker fighters?

At present it is very pleasing too see so many tickets flying out solely on David's name - but - to fill the arena - sorry I do not think that will happen unless you name the undercard and do so now - when was the last time a show was announced with absolutely no mention at all of the undercard or at least the Chief Support fight?

If I am bullsh*tting - please feel free to phone Panos Eliades - even with Lennox being an established star that particular show was a very hard sell and it was NOT filled to capacity on the evening.

Yet Hayemaker Promotions have put tickets on sale with no announcement of the undercard whatsoever - I think that is the wrong move - sorry just stating my opinion.

MachoMan09 wrote:If people are prepared to buy the tickets based solely on the Haye Vs Ruiz fight, that is their choice. If the undercard turns out to be weak, those who have bought their tickets already have no right to moan.

Macho,

Please feel free to tell me - when was the last promoter to announce a show without any details whatsoever of the undercard?

MachoMan09 wrote:If people are prepared to buy the tickets based solely on the Haye Vs Ruiz fight, that is their choice. If the undercard turns out to be weak, those who have bought their tickets already have no right to moan.

Exactly.

I can see some of Maloney fighters on the undercard.

MachoMan09 wrote:If people are prepared to buy the tickets based solely on the Haye Vs Ruiz fight, that is their choice. If the undercard turns out to be weak, those who have bought their tickets already have no right to moan.

I will be buying tickets reguardless and have always enjoyed the hennessy undercards which get ripped to shreds on here about being weak, so im sure i'll enjoy whoever they put on as i enjoy watching young prospect especially if i havent seen them live before

im just going for the main event lone so anything else will be a bonus

BIGMARK wrote:nice post spud how many fights you been to? next time you are at a big fight try looking round the venue when the undercard is on because 80% of those who brought tickets couldnt give a fuk and are in the bar. Yes real boxing fans will sit through the undercard but we make up no more than 15% of the ticket buying public. The casual sportsfan who will buy tickets want to see Haye and you could stick 90% of the best fighters fighting in the world today on the undercard and it would only make a small difference apart from the obvious ticket sellers you wouldnt appear on a undercard anyway.

indeed i have photos to back this up. even on a decent undercard like the calzaghe-kessler 1 people only turned up early because they closed the dorrs but most stayed at the bars till the main fight and i have seen it at froch shows. i always get there early to watch every fight but i have to agree with BIGMARK i am 1 of the few people who watch every fight

I am absolutely certain that the undercard will be put together well by Dave C and the rest of the team.
Think on Spud - there's 9 weeks to go.
If Dave H does his usual top job PR wise I wonder how many press conferences there'll be in that time.
Easy tiger - patience.

Quote "Call me a mad bastard novelty thinker but why not wait until some undercard fights are announced and then have a pop? Pre-emptive whines are pushing it even by Boxrec standards!"

Terry D posted this on another thread, so I've put a copy here because I think he's right.

Adamj1987 wrote:

BIGMARK wrote:nice post spud how many fights you been to? next time you are at a big fight try looking round the venue when the undercard is on because 80% of those who brought tickets couldnt give a fuk and are in the bar. Yes real boxing fans will sit through the undercard but we make up no more than 15% of the ticket buying public. The casual sportsfan who will buy tickets want to see Haye and you could stick 90% of the best fighters fighting in the world today on the undercard and it would only make a small difference apart from the obvious ticket sellers you wouldnt appear on a undercard anyway.

indeed i have photos to back this up. even on a decent undercard like the calzaghe-kessler 1 people only turned up early because they closed the dorrs but most stayed at the bars till the main fight and i have seen it at froch shows. i always get there early to watch every fight but i have to agree with BIGMARK i am 1 of the few people who watch every fight

Agreed on Calzaghe/Kessler. I was in a 150 quid seat from the start to the finish and the seats where pretty much empty throughout.

I even had a bloke next to me pissed as a fart who slept through most of the Calzaghe fight and that was the only fight he sat down for.

So if people are buying tickets already off just David Haye then that is presumably enough to get them fork out the money alone. If it's not enough then hold back until the undercard, which I'm confident will be of a good enough standard, is announced

As for Spud's comment, whether it is a good marketing ploy, only time will tell when the undercard is announced and how full the arena is on the night

lacollier883 wrote:

Adamj1987 wrote:

BIGMARK wrote:nice post spud how many fights you been to? next time you are at a big fight try looking round the venue when the undercard is on because 80% of those who brought tickets couldnt give a fuk and are in the bar. Yes real boxing fans will sit through the undercard but we make up no more than 15% of the ticket buying public. The casual sportsfan who will buy tickets want to see Haye and you could stick 90% of the best fighters fighting in the world today on the undercard and it would only make a small difference apart from the obvious ticket sellers you wouldnt appear on a undercard anyway.

indeed i have photos to back this up. even on a decent undercard like the calzaghe-kessler 1 people only turned up early because they closed the dorrs but most stayed at the bars till the main fight and i have seen it at froch shows. i always get there early to watch every fight but i have to agree with BIGMARK i am 1 of the few people who watch every fight

Agreed on Calzaghe/Kessler. I was in a 150 quid seat from the start to the finish and the seats where pretty much empty throughout.

I even had a bloke next to me pissed as a fart who slept through most of the Calzaghe fight and that was the only fight he sat down for.

So if people are buying tickets already off just David Haye then that is presumably enough to get them fork out the money alone. If it's not enough then hold back until the undercard, which I'm confident will be of a good enough standard, is announced

As for Spud's comment, whether it is a good marketing ploy, only time will tell when the undercard is announced and how full the arena is on the night

yeah tehre was a guy like that near me he fell over and fell asleep on the first available chair he found and in the end i dont think he saw any boxing at all

MachoMan09 wrote:I think some of you are missing Spud's point. He is only putting this topic up for discussion, don't crucify the man.

MARK, you and Adam are partially correct in what you say. The majority of fans do buy their tickets solely on the basis of the main event but Spud is correct when he states that a huge venue, like the MEN, will rarely, if ever sell out on ticket sales for the headline match alone. Not many boxers have a fanbase like a rock band or pop act where their name alone will sell 20K+ tickets.

A good few thousand tickets are normally sold by the boxers comprising the undercard. That is why back in the day the Manchester shows sold so well. Ricky sold the majority, but Arnie and to a lesser extent Gomez and to a slightly lesser extent again Mick Jennings, Tommy McDonagh etc sold a lot of tickets to their own fanbases.

If the shows had solely comprised of Ricky vs Fighter X + a weak undercard, the venue would more than likely got nowhere near capacity. I think that is the point Spud is trying to make.

Yeah I don't like the idea you can't have a ticket seller on the undercard. I'm sure there will be a couple of good fights on there though but in this case almost all of the punters will be coming to see David Haye no matter what else there is. I reckon Maloney will have some fighters on there as there must be some goodwill there after Hayemaker basically stepped aside and let the likes of Price move over.

A very good undercard will be announced soon!!!

Adamj1987 wrote: yeah tehre was a guy like that near me he fell over and fell asleep on the first available chair he found and in the end i dont think he saw any boxing at all

Still, at least I can say "I was there" for that historic night of British boxing..

TerribleTerry wrote:

Adamj1987 wrote: yeah tehre was a guy like that near me he fell over and fell asleep on the first available chair he found and in the end i dont think he saw any boxing at all

Still, at least I can say "I was there" for that historic night of British boxing..

didnt realise you where 20 stone going bold and had a mustache

surely its better to have a slight delay in the undercard, than doing a w@rren and pretending people are on the undercard, just to sell tickets..allegedly. and headlining the show..world championship boxing.... been there done that !!

i think the decent fighters will actually be contacting hayemaker wanting to be on the show !!

To be honest who really gives a toss about the undercard for this particular fight??

May as well be honest and say so

Spud - stirring again I see

I imagine Don King fighters will also be on the card

Coco wrote:I imagine Don King fighters will also be on the card

why? Golden boy promotes haye and ruiz

Adamj1987 wrote:

Coco wrote:I imagine Don King fighters will also be on the card

why? Golden boy promotes haye and ruiz

I thought he was still with DK, they seemed very much together when Haye was fighting Valuev, and isn't one of DK's fighters got a mandatory shot at the Haye v Ruiz winner?

Coco wrote:

Adamj1987 wrote:

Coco wrote:I imagine Don King fighters will also be on the card

why? Golden boy promotes haye and ruiz

I thought he was still with DK, they seemed very much together when Haye was fighting Valuev, and isn't one of DK's fighters got a mandatory shot at the Haye v Ruiz winner?

not sure about the last bit but ruiz has deffo signed with GBP

Adamj1987 wrote:

Coco wrote:

Adamj1987 wrote: why? Golden boy promotes haye and ruiz

I thought he was still with DK, they seemed very much together when Haye was fighting Valuev, and isn't one of DK's fighters got a mandatory shot at the Haye v Ruiz winner?

not sure about the last bit but ruiz has deffo signed with GBP

Your quite right mate
http://www.donking.com/

just got my ticket and it says on it it a hayemaker, golden boy and sauerland show so we could end up with some eastern europeans on the undercard

could also end up with some decent yankee fighters...fingers crossed.