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Can you think of knockdowns that were called that actually weren't knockdowns?

Or knockdowns that didn't get called?

Not knockdowns that come to mind

Bert Coopers big punch against Holyfield

Hopkins' right hand against Tarver

Samuel Peter hitting Yanqui Diaz while Diaz was still on his feet but getting penalized for hitting a downed opponent.

Knockdowns that weren't called

Judah vs Mayweather

One of many in Mayweather vs Corley

Plenty more I just can't think of them now.

The ropes saved Evander from a KD . . therefore it was a legit knockdown.

I also remember Peter clearly hitting Diaz after Diaz had gone to a knee.

Don't remember Tarver-Hop as well but I think Tarver's glove touched the canvas . . .could be wrong though.

dempseyfire wrote:The ropes saved Evander from a KD . . therefore it was a legit knockdown.

I also remember Peter clearly hitting Diaz after Diaz had gone to a knee.

Don't remember Tarver-Hop as well but I think Tarver's glove touched the canvas . . .could be wrong though.

Not aware of the ropes saving you from falling counting as a knockdown. If that's the case anyone who leaned on the ropes should be considered knocked down.

Peter vs Diaz. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9uHoujT ... vie_player

Look at both of Diaz feet still on the ground at 3:32

Tarver just got knocked off balance his glove never touched the ground. Watch closely http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-4sfCt_4gY

Katsidis didn't go down against Earl and Marquez should have been ruled down against Barrera.

MAB vs Marquez 5:07

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Gi55n0a ... re=channel

Katsidis vs Earl 2:17

Hard to tell from that angle, but slo-mo replays revealed that Katsidis never touched down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JPnZtZu ... re=related

Not: Roldan/Hagler & MAB/Morales 1 in rd 12

Was: Morales/MAB 2, can't remember which round.

...damn!!!!! i've posted this twice now and for some reason it hasn't shown up. so..once again......the cooper kd over holyfield was much like the one in the first louis schmeling fight when the referee moved louis to a neutral corner and started a count against max, who was on his feet but against the ropes with his back partly turned toward louis and he was taking punishment. as soon as max turned forward the count stopped and the fight continued.
i suppose we could call that a start toward the standing eight count.

if i remember correctly, holy was not only against the ropes but almost going through them and was helpless to defend himself, so the ref called it a knockdown, which seemed sensible to me.

wepner scored a knockdown against ali by half-hitting and half pushing ali as ali was backing away. not a power punch, but ali did hbit the canvas so it was correctly called a knockdown.

There was a knockdown called in the Lewis Tyson fight that shouldn't have been.

dempseyfire wrote:The ropes saved Evander from a KD . . therefore it was a legit knockdown.

I also remember Peter clearly hitting Diaz after Diaz had gone to a knee.

Don't remember Tarver-Hop as well but I think Tarver's glove touched the canvas . . .could be wrong though.

On the subject of Holyfield-Cooper, Dempsey is right --- though I disagree with that rule, & always have.

The End wrote:There was a knockdown called in the Lewis Tyson fight that shouldn't have been.

This was the one I was to mention, as it immediately sprung to the forefront of my mind. It was a shocking call, & punctuated one of the most appallingly biased refereeing performances of the decade. Round eight, Tyson is ruled down, when it is inexcusable for a ref to make the, "mistake" of seeing him down, since he wasn't even close to touching the canvas. It effectively was enacted to save him from more punishment, in one of many efforts that night from Cotton to keep Lewis from winning.

His perpetual bullsh!t back-fired in the end, though --- all his crap actually prolonged Lewis' punishment of Tyson. Here's one I can remember dividing people everywhere right down the fucken line when it happened, & they're still arguing about it today --- the very contentious, debatable round twelve, Barrera-Morales I

Mike Weaver knocked Larry Holmes down and the stooge Don King 'referee' didn't call it.

Frazier knocked Ali down with a left hook at the beginning of the 11th round of their first fight.

You can see Frazier's astonished look (as he stood in a neutral corner) when 'referee' Merchante called it a slip.

One round earlier 'referee' Merchante had stuck his fingers in Frazier's eye.

Angelo Dundee's personal 'referee', Harold Valan, was very reluctant to call any knockdowns when Floyd Patterson floored Jimmy Ellis.

Another which had me shaking my head was (I think the ref in question might've been Lawrence Cole) the decision to rule Pacquiao legitimately down in round one of his first encounter with Barrera.

What...the...fvck!?

I thought Mayweather was legitimately down against Judah, but that was a close call. I can live with the official verdict. Likewise, Marquez against Barrera. Thought the guy was down legit, but you could understand the ref's decision.

The Bob Foster-Frankie DePaula fight is a good example.

In the first round NY hometowner DePaula pushed Foster down and the stooge NY ref immediately called it a "knockdown."

Foster said (hearably) to the ref, "You're not gonna get away with that,"

and then immediately opened up completely and knocked DePaula down three times, ending the fight right there.

So the stooge ref did DePaula no favors since Foster would have taken his time and not gone all out so early if the ref hadn't tried to pull that.

That showed how superior Foster was at that stage of his career; He could take out a strong, untired contender like DePaula any time he chose to.

Was Wepner standing on Ali's foot when Ali went down? Some say yes, some say no. Is there any film that captures that "toe action"? Some of us don't need to actually see these things to "know" if they are factual or not. Me? I need a visual to be sure.

By the way if you're standing on your opponents toe at the time you hit them and they go down is that or is it not a legitimate KD? Is there a rule that specifically pertains?

The End wrote:There was a knockdown called in the Lewis Tyson fight that shouldn't have been.

How about the Lewis - Akinwande bout right at the end of round 1 (I think, but years since I saw it). Was that a knockdown?

Grimm wrote:Not aware of the ropes saving you from falling counting as a knockdown. If that's the case anyone who leaned on the ropes should be considered knocked down.

It's referee's discretion but you can pretty much tell when a guy is being held up by the ropes and when he's just "leaning on the ropes."

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Likewise, Marquez against Barrera. Thought the guy was down legit, but you could understand the ref's decision.

First one I thought of. The KD was legit, no question of that. Jay Nady bumbled that one up good.

Any opinions on whether or not Chuvalo got knocked down in his fight with Bonavena?

granberry wrote:Mike Weaver knocked Larry Holmes down and the stooge Don King 'referee' didn't call it.

Frazier knocked Ali down with a left hook at the beginning of the 11th round of their first fight.

You can see Frazier's astonished look (as he stood in a neutral corner) when 'referee' Merchante called it a slip.

One round earlier 'referee' Merchante had stuck his fingers in Frazier's eye.

Angelo Dundee's personal 'referee', Harold Valan, was very reluctant to call any knockdowns when Floyd Patterson floored Jimmy Ellis.

Patterson definitely knocked Ellis down with a right hand.

I watched that fight live on Wide World of Sports when I was a kid and was astounded at that decision.

yancey wrote:

granberry wrote:Mike Weaver knocked Larry Holmes down and the stooge Don King 'referee' didn't call it.

Frazier knocked Ali down with a left hook at the beginning of the 11th round of their first fight.

You can see Frazier's astonished look (as he stood in a neutral corner) when 'referee' Merchante called it a slip.

One round earlier 'referee' Merchante had stuck his fingers in Frazier's eye.

Angelo Dundee's personal 'referee', Harold Valan, was very reluctant to call any knockdowns when Floyd Patterson floored Jimmy Ellis.

Patterson definitely knocked Ellis down with a right hand.

I watched that fight live on Wide World of Sports when I was a kid and was astounded at that decision.

That was a prime Angelo Dundee production.

He took his cheese 'champion' Ellis to a foreign country

and protected him by using his own personal "referee," Harold Valan.

Dundee's referee Valan had the only vote on the decision.

After Ellis got trounced by Patterson and kept his 'title' on Valan's decision,

the Swedish newspaper headlines read "Just a sparring partner,' referring to Ellis.

Dundee got away with murder in foreign countries he took his fighters to.

Look at the first Cooper-Clay fight.

It depends on the rules of a knockdown because its jaded. Toney leaned against the ropes for Jones and it was ruled a knockdown. Mayweather's glove touched the canvas and it was not ruled a knockdown. It seems the calls were pretty reversed but I would have no problem if they both would've received the same call.

The rule for a knockdown is simple:

If any part of a fighter's body other than the bottom of his feet touch the canvas, he is down.

Knee, glove, behind, back, etc.

granberry wrote:The rule for a knockdown is simple:

If any part of a fighter's body other than the bottom of his feet touch the canvas, he is down.

Knee, glove, behind, back, etc.

Wrong. If he slips, he slips. Ala, Ali in round eleven.

Not that the clueless Granberry could interpret what he saw correctly if he tried. LOL.

granberry wrote:

yancey wrote:

granberry wrote:Mike Weaver knocked Larry Holmes down and the stooge Don King 'referee' didn't call it.

Frazier knocked Ali down with a left hook at the beginning of the 11th round of their first fight.

You can see Frazier's astonished look (as he stood in a neutral corner) when 'referee' Merchante called it a slip.

One round earlier 'referee' Merchante had stuck his fingers in Frazier's eye.

Angelo Dundee's personal 'referee', Harold Valan, was very reluctant to call any knockdowns when Floyd Patterson floored Jimmy Ellis.

Patterson definitely knocked Ellis down with a right hand.

I watched that fight live on Wide World of Sports when I was a kid and was astounded at that decision.

That was a prime Angelo Dundee production.

He took his cheese 'champion' Ellis to a foreign country

and protected him by using his own personal "referee," Harold Valan.

Dundee's referee Valan had the only vote on the decision.

After Ellis got trounced by Patterson and kept his 'title' on Valan's decision,

the Swedish newspaper headlines read "Just a sparring partner,' referring to Ellis.

Dundee got away with murder in foreign countries he took his fighters to.

Look at the first Cooper-Clay fight.

Yep that Cooper Clay fight was amazing. Remember when bags of stuffing started coming out of Ali's glove, and they brought in the seamstresses to fix the glove? The worked on it for hours and then they had to call the fight on account of darkness. Next morning everybody gets up, (and now Clay has had all night to rest) and then poor Henry comes back to finish the job just to have the ref call the fight off in Clay's favor. Why? Just because Henry had cut his face shaving that second morning of the fight.

That's how it went right?

It just weren't fair.

However Patterson did knock Ellis down. At least that's the way I saw it as well.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

granberry wrote:The rule for a knockdown is simple:

If any part of a fighter's body other than the bottom of his feet touch the canvas, he is down.

Knee, glove, behind, back, etc.

Wrong. If he slips, he slips. Ala, Ali in round eleven.

Not that the clueless Granberry could interpret what he saw correctly if he tried. LOL.

Low grade moron Irene wouldn't know a knockdown if it hit him in the teeth.

Ali "slipped" when Frazier hit him on the chin with a left hook. LOL.

Next Ali shill irene will tell us that Merchante did not stick his fingers in Frazier's eye.

granberry wrote:

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

granberry wrote:The rule for a knockdown is simple:

If any part of a fighter's body other than the bottom of his feet touch the canvas, he is down.

Knee, glove, behind, back, etc.

Wrong. If he slips, he slips. Ala, Ali in round eleven.

Not that the clueless Granberry could interpret what he saw correctly if he tried. LOL.

Low grade moron Irene wouldn't know a knockdown if it hit him in the teeth.

Ali "slipped" when Frazier hit him on the chin with a left hook. LOL.

Next Ali shill irene will tell us that Merchante did not stick his fingers in Frazier's eye.

Tell us how you really feel about Irene, Gran.

C'mon, don't be shy.