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After watching Samil Sam getting outclassed by Gomez and made to look very silly (and also made me look - eh Neil!). Just got thinking what significance does this do to our Heavyweights.

Forget Williams and Francis for the moment, they don't seem to be going anywhere - still think Danny could if he wanted do, but that's all irrelevant.

What significance does this hold for Harrison, I mean like Williams, Harrison had all the tools to beat Sam. Yet got CLEARLY outpointed in the Amateurs. I'm lost for words how could Harrison (or Williams and Francis for that matter) get outpointed by these guys.

Sam hardly the most graceful of guys and got outclassed by a cruiserweight, so really Harrison, Williams and Francis should have beaten him.

Is the Superheavyweight devision that poor, that the Olympic Champion couldn't even beat that.

All this applies to Williams and Francis aswell, just they have been exposed. Harrison hasn't yet, but based on losing to Samil Sam in the amateurs its hard to think he won't do when he steps it up.

Any thoughts.

I don't think any of the guys you have mentioned (except Juius Francis) are INcapable of beating Sam.

For me the key is decent competition - They all (Harrison, Williams - maybe even Hide) have the tools to beat the guy, the problem is that when our guys get the shot at a guy like this - it represents a large step up - it shouldn't, but it does.

Harrison aside - they are WAY too experienced to be failing to perform, or not being UP for their big fights.

Sam is a genuinely tricky fighter to rate IMO (a bit like Yuri Romanov - bashing up all of our guys) he is not exactly a stylist but is a very effective fighter, yet has a style that (in theory and practice - a la Gomez) can be beaten.

stu, youre talking like julius francis is a legit prospect- the mans an old journeyman with a history of quitting.

i though sam looked okay, but he was getting outboxed by a world class boxer with that 'world class-level' of toughness. danny williams and most british heavies may have skills, but the level of opposition and general training is so many leagues below the states they will never develop the level of toughness that is neccesary to deal with the best of the states.

combined with the frail psyche and you have a guy who very unfortunately is never goning to make it.

harrisons recent expeditio to the US is a very clever idea.

Neil (The Bounty) Hunter wrote:stu, youre talking like julius francis is a legit prospect- the mans an old journeyman with a history of quitting.

i though sam looked okay, but he was getting outboxed by a world class boxer with that 'world class-level' of toughness. danny williams and most british heavies may have skills, but the level of opposition and general training is so many leagues below the states they will never develop the level of toughness that is neccesary to deal with the best of the states.

combined with the frail psyche and you have a guy who very unfortunately is never goning to make it.

harrisons recent expeditio to the US is a very clever idea.

Yeah some good points there Neil.

However, just to clarify (and I don't want to start another slagging match with you, cause you seem okay). I didn't mean to call Francis a prospect - what I was saying that based on what I saw of Sam and how easy Gomez, who is class no doubt, could outbox him - then I still find it odd that Francis couldn't have beaten Sam.

NO FRANCIS IS NOT WORLD CLASS - NOT REMOTELY WORLD CLASS. But, put it like this, if Sam vs Gomez was the first time I saw Sam in action, then I would tip Harrison, Williams and Francis to beat him. Not saying the Brits would have been as dominant as Gomez was (cause their not that good), but Sam was (as you've quite rightly said in other threads) slow, ponderous with a poor punch output. Surely the three mentioned Brits could have outboxed Sam easy enough. The question is why didn't they. Some people (not myself) have been calling this a golden era of British Heavyweight boxing, clearly if they can't beat Sam - then its not.

But I said, the worrying aspect of this is Harrison, this is supposed to be our prospect now with Danny and Hide already been exposed. But just how could he let someone as poor as Sam beat him.

I know I've changed my tune, but the thing that impressed me with Sam's performance vs Williams was that he was able to walk through Williams (a 17 stone fighter) punches, without his head being jarred back. I honestly thought that although Gomez might win a points decision that Sam would do a similar thing (i.e. walk through Gomez's punches) and win a few rounds, and a lot of admiration. However, he couldn't do (and Gomez is only 14 stone). So that shows that not only is Gomez faster, and a better boxer than the Brits, but he also hits with more authority.

I was disappointed in Sam.

i dont think sams amateur 3 rd win over harrison is the definitive marker though.

audleys way better than that now and their both pro's, i think a pro fight would look different.

sams going to be a tough fight for harrison down the road though, probably after harrison waxes williams and hide. it should be early 2004 if audley has any hope at all of advancing.

lennox lewis beat jean chanet for the euro title in only his 13th fight i think, but chanet was no sam.