A,
Agreed. I'm tired of same old stories. I just finished Angelo Dundee's book. I wish he talked more of his fighters he had (Dupas, Pastrano, etc.) . While his relationship with Ali and Leonard was interesting, it has been said over and over.Robinson wrote:It would be nice to see some footage of him.
It is a real shame that a lot talented men like
Bell are almost forgotten and the so called
boxing historians seldom mention their triumph's
or hard work when they print their books.
It looks like he took alot of fights late minute
notice and fought often, which is no doubt
why he has a lot of 'L's on his record. Taking
fights on short notice seems like a good idea
at the time, but the reason behind a loss is
often forgotten, but that 'L' always stands
the test of time.
Nice post, Jim.jimglen wrote:It's nice too see people fed up with the same stuff and fighters regurgitated over and over and over again, a run through many of my posts expands on this very thing.
The many great fighters, and I do mean great, that have graced the squared circle is unbeleivable, many of whom are better than many of our historic champions and greats.
A look into some of these mens lifes and careers tells a great story indeed.
I am proud to say that in Gilroy was here, there is reference and status on many great fighters that the world has forgotten about.
Do you think there's a Boxing Heaven, where the Real TOP men can compete equally and fairly against one another, I sure hope so!
The AGENDA is sell Ali and Leonard.wsbuf wrote:Agreed. I'm tired of same old stories. I just finished Angelo Dundee's book. I wish he talked more of his fighters he had (Dupas, Pastrano, etc.) . While his relationship with Ali and Leonard was interesting, it has been said over and over.Robinson wrote:It would be nice to see some footage of him.
It is a real shame that a lot talented men like
Bell are almost forgotten and the so called
boxing historians seldom mention their triumph's
or hard work when they print their books.
It looks like he took alot of fights late minute
notice and fought often, which is no doubt
why he has a lot of 'L's on his record. Taking
fights on short notice seems like a good idea
at the time, but the reason behind a loss is
often forgotten, but that 'L' always stands
the test of time.
sweetfights.com lists the LaMotta-Tommy Bell II fight among those that they sell. I doubt it's false advertising so footage of the fight is definitely out there.granberry wrote:A,
Not quite sure how to use this info.
Can you say a little more.
Thanks.
Exact reason I borrowed from Library and did not buy it. Same with Bert Sugar's book titled 100 Greatest Fighters of all Time. What can be said about those fighters that hasn't already been done. Now maybe the "100 Greatest fighters whose stories havn't been told" would be a great book!granberry wrote:The AGENDA is sell Ali and Leonard.wsbuf wrote:Agreed. I'm tired of same old stories. I just finished Angelo Dundee's book. I wish he talked more of his fighters he had (Dupas, Pastrano, etc.) . While his relationship with Ali and Leonard was interesting, it has been said over and over.Robinson wrote:It would be nice to see some footage of him.
It is a real shame that a lot talented men like
Bell are almost forgotten and the so called
boxing historians seldom mention their triumph's
or hard work when they print their books.
It looks like he took alot of fights late minute
notice and fought often, which is no doubt
why he has a lot of 'L's on his record. Taking
fights on short notice seems like a good idea
at the time, but the reason behind a loss is
often forgotten, but that 'L' always stands
the test of time.
It is set in place and that is what it is.
That's what you will get.
The SAME, instantly recognizable, very tired agenda.
In order to survive in the media you go with the designated agenda or you are out (on your behind).
No deviations allowed.
Jimbo, can you give us a list of these many fighters who were better than our historic greats such as Louis, Robinson, Armstrong etc?jimglen wrote:The many great fighters, and I do mean great, that have graced the squared circle is unbeleivable, many of whom are better than many of our historic champions and greats.
wsbuf wrote:Agreed. I'm tired of same old stories. I just finished Angelo Dundee's book. I wish he talked more of his fighters he had (Dupas, Pastrano, etc.) . While his relationship with Ali and Leonard was interesting, it has been said over and over.Robinson wrote:It would be nice to see some footage of him.
It is a real shame that a lot talented men like
Bell are almost forgotten and the so called
boxing historians seldom mention their triumph's
or hard work when they print their books.
It looks like he took alot of fights late minute
notice and fought often, which is no doubt
why he has a lot of 'L's on his record. Taking
fights on short notice seems like a good idea
at the time, but the reason behind a loss is
often forgotten, but that 'L' always stands
the test of time.
The footage is on youtube now thanks to My2Sense and Raging B(_)LL:TheGreatA wrote:I think there's footage of him fighting LaMotta. Maybe I'm wrong.
Which book? He wrote 2. One of em he go's on and on about "P"Robinson wrote:wsbuf wrote:Agreed. I'm tired of same old stories. I just finished Angelo Dundee's book. I wish he talked more of his fighters he had (Dupas, Pastrano, etc.) . While his relationship with Ali and Leonard was interesting, it has been said over and over.Robinson wrote:It would be nice to see some footage of him.
It is a real shame that a lot talented men like
Bell are almost forgotten and the so called
boxing historians seldom mention their triumph's
or hard work when they print their books.
It looks like he took alot of fights late minute
notice and fought often, which is no doubt
why he has a lot of 'L's on his record. Taking
fights on short notice seems like a good idea
at the time, but the reason behind a loss is
often forgotten, but that 'L' always stands
the test of time.
I got the book in the hopes of reading about Ellis, Pastrano etc, and even
some come back Foreman. But the book addressed nothing new and really
seemed to celebrate the Ali angle too much. It is an ashame because
to me reading about say a Jimmy Ellis in this case is more interesting,
and that is only because I have had my fill on Ali as a young lad. Ali,
Tyson, Robinson etc is the grade school education of a boxing fan,
the trouble is the late high school and university education is harder
to come by because less and less people want to print anything on
the rarer and more 'obscure' fighters.