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Patterson could PUNCH when he was an amateur.

He knocks these guys out cold.

http://www.youtube.com/user/RareBoxing# ... Q2yHqUJbf4

Here is some footage of his brother Ray Patterson at the 1961 Golden Gloves.

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=68485

That was a delivery ala Tommy Hearns. His delivered that in whip like fashion.

BoxBuzz wrote:That was a delivery ala Tommy Hearns. His delivered that in whip like fashion.

Very impressive. Had to replay it to see the punch on that first knockout.

Hearns never saw the day when he had 1/10 the ability Patterson had.

Count on buz the clueless to stink up this thread and drag it into the gutter.

I love to watch Patterson at any stage of his career.

He was such a talent.

Floyd Patterson on the speed bag

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n-WlpygsaQ&NR=1

granberry wrote:Hearns never saw the day when he had 1/10 the ability Patterson had.

Count on buz the clueless to stink up this thread and drag it into the gutter.

granberry, you have just engaged in a personal attack on me as a means of ignoring, discrediting, or blunting the force of my statement.

I am in agreement that Floyd was even better, but that's beside the point, and not something I felt the need to express at that moment. There is of course nothing wrong with you wanting to eagerly share information of this nature with us within this thread.

In civil conversation we express our opinion without attacking others. To not observe this age old accepted etiquette is to be nettlesome.

Dont' be nettlesome.

Don't be so nettlesome Collins :)

Gran

Did you get to see Patterson fight in the flesh ?

What were your impressions of him ? I have always been
a big fan of his and he seems like he would have been
a genuine person too. Hard to imagine a 'nasty' side to
him.

....one reason why patterson's considerable power comes through in these amateur fights is because he was fighting guys his own size. when he turned pro he was still knocking guys out but as a heavyweight he sometimes had to fight guys who were so much stronger. the big example, of course, was against liston who was just too much for him to handle.

he once said the lightest he could come in and still feel strong enough was 180...which meant he's be too weak as a light heavy and too small as a heavy.

granberry wrote:Patterson could PUNCH when he was an amateur.

He knocks these guys out cold.

http://www.youtube.com/user/RareBoxing# ... Q2yHqUJbf4

Great clip. Even greater left hook in the final.

I may have missed it in commentary but but I presume that tournament was a middleweright?

He was good, but not good enough to whip Ali

Sorry couldn't resist.

granberry wrote:Hearns never saw the day when he had 1/10 the ability Patterson had.

Count on buz the clueless to stink up this thread and drag it into the gutter.

Completely ridiculous comment.

Hearns was a huge welterweight with fast hands and devastating power. To say he never had a tenth of the ability of Floyd Patterson doesn't do much for your credibility.

I seriously hope the gutter stink comment was a joke, because if not

Floyd is one of my favorites.

The way he put away Cooper in '66 was impressive. Lightning quick, a panther making a kill.

Patterson stands on his head

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDMYvAw37rs

Patterson was a high school student at the time of these clips of his amateur career.

The hardest punch high school kid in New York.

granberry wrote:The hardest punch high school kid in New York.

Ahem.....Michael Gerrard.

Patterson stopped develping as a fighter after his title defense against Hurricane Jackson, because of Cus D'Amato's refusal to let him fight his top contenders--Machen and Folley.

Patterson was never as good again as he was against Moore and then Jackson in his first title defense.

That's interesting, you think the later FP of Bonavena, Ellis, Chuvalo, Cooper etc was not as good? Dont necessarly disagree, just want to hear(see actually) your reasoning.

granberry wrote:Hearns never saw the day when he had 1/10 the ability Patterson had.

Count on buz the clueless to stink up this thread and drag it into the gutter.

I’m sorry granberry, but I think that is a little bit harsh response on your part. He only responded to your thread I did not see any malice. In fact, I do agree with his assertion. Hearns for me was one of the most talented boxers in the history of boxing. I know that is a lot to say but he could easily make the top 50 p4p ever. Hearns was very talented boxer puncher. Too bad his chin was not equal to his boxing skills.

And yes I do agree with your assertion that Patterson could punch when he was an amateur. Very nice punch.

donnellon wrote:That's interesting, you think the later FP of Bonavena, Ellis, Chuvalo, Cooper etc was not as good? Dont necessarly disagree, just want to hear(see actually) your reasoning.

Patterson was much slower at that point, punched much less often.

He had completely lost the SUDDEN spring that he had that was so remakable when he fought Moore.

Patterson was a slowed down journeyman pro in comparison by the time he fought those you named. His KO of Cooper showed he still had a punch. He knocked Cooper down and out for a ten count, while Ali in comparison never knocked Cooper off his feet.

Idisagree wrote:

granberry wrote:Hearns never saw the day when he had 1/10 the ability Patterson had.

Count on buz the clueless to stink up this thread and drag it into the gutter.

I’m sorry granberry, but I think that is a little bit harsh response on your part. He only responded to your thread I did not see any malice. In fact, I do agree with his assertion. Hearns for me was one of the most talented boxers in the history of boxing. I know that is a lot to say but he could easily make the top 50 p4p ever. Hearns was very talented boxer puncher. Too bad his chin was not equal to his boxing skills.

And yes I do agree with your assertion that Patterson could punch when he was an amateur. Very nice punch.

Hearns was a nightmare to fight as a welterweight because of his height, but his flaw was the same physical structure.
In addition his trainer Emanuel Steward was a disaster, overtraining Hearns for the 1st Leonard fight

and then DOING THE SAME THING for the Hagler fight.

When Leonard had a completely closed eye in the first Hearns-Leonard fight, Steward didn't know enough to tell Hearns to step to that side and punch, where Leonard would have been at his mercy.

granberry wrote: Hearns was a nightmare to fight as a welterweight because of his height, but his flaw was the same physical structure.
In addition his trainer Emanuel Steward was a disaster, overtraining Hearns for the 1st Leonard fight

and then DOING THE SAME THING for the Hagler fight.

When Leonard had a completely closed eye in the first Hearns-Leonard fight, Steward didn't know enough to tell Hearns to step to that side and punch, where Leonard would have been at his mercy.

You know I agree with you that Steward was/is a disaster as a trainer. I never understood why he let Hearns go toe to toe with Hagler. For me Steward is extremely over-rated as a trainer and as commentator too.