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THE MEDIA'S SORRY ROLE

Posted: 06 Mar 2010, 16:45
by granberry
Ali famously made the Fight of the Century more than just a simple boxing match; he relentlessly condemned Frazier as an Uncle Tom, "the enemy," and made audiences take sides based on racial politics.

Thanks to the media’s lapdog approach to Ali, the audiences picked their side for every reason except boxing: As narrator Liev Schreiber states: "If you were rooting for Muhammed Ali, you were black, liberal or young, against the Vietnam War and supported the civil rights movement. If you backed Joe Frazier you represented white, conservative America."

As one of the brightest talking heads in the film, Sunni Khalid of WYPR notes, "We were all convinced that Joe had to be an Uncle Tom. Why? Because Ali said so."

This was ironic on levels both personal and political. For the media to let Ali get away with this was troubling enough. Ali was a member of a violent, racist, segregationist group, not an outwardly integrationist movement as the NAACP.

The Nation formed Ali’s entourage and his public image. According to Khalid, "Elijah Muhammed was in charge, they ran a hierarchical organization, nobody said or did anything unless it was approved from headquarters,"

Over footage of Ali cheering a racist rant from the Nation's leader, Khalid reports, "They even fed him the famous lines about ‘No Vietcong ever called me person.’" This charge is smugly confirmed on camera by Nation spokesman Abdul Rahaman. who takes personal credit for the line—and now sports Ali’s championship ring on his finger.

"It was the ultimate manipulation of anyone I’ve ever seen," declares Freddie Pacheco, whose arrogant presence in the film personifies Ali’s corner but who also is bracingly candid at times.

The film replays an interview Ali gave to a British television reporter, in which Ali declares, "You are fighting a spiritual holy war when you face me now!"

"What about when you’re fighting Joe Frazier," the bemused reporter asks, "Is that fighting a holy war?"

"Yes, sir! Because he’s the Uncle Tom!" Ali shouts.


"Oh, he’s not an Uncle Tom," the reporter chides, vainly trying to introduce reason to the discussion.

Ali will have none of it.

But as one of Frazier’s camp, Dave Wolfe, points out, "Joe was the working-class black person Ali claimed to be speaking for, Ali never worked a day in his life except at being himself."

It was Frazier who lived and trained (and still does) in the neighborhood called "The Badlands" in Philadelphia. It was Frazier who grew up tilling the fields in a segregated South Carolina county where the local bank would later not even cash a small check for him when he returned home as the heavyweight champion of the world.

All of this was known to the media, but the reporters nevertheless played along, eager to get the next Big Quote from Ali, or, like spotlight pimp Howard Cosell, seeking to accrue fame and glory by approximation. They allowed, as Schreiber notes, Ali to "consistently" use "the politics of race to demean Joe Frazier."

According to son Marvis Frazier, this led to bomb threats against their home and constant police protection. "Everybody and their sister used to beat me up because I was Joe Frazier’s son."

But the betrayal is even deeper and more shocking than a casual observer might gather. During Ali’s three-year suspension from boxing for his refusal to be drafted, Frazier, who had become champ during that time, lobbied to get Ali's boxing license back and had even gave him money. Frazier was even generous about Ali’s draft dodging, Wolfe says, adding, "Joe once said to me, ‘If Baptists were not allowed to fight, I would not fight."

Frazier wanted Ali back in the ring so he could prove himself a worthy champion. He even cooperated with Ali in staging some of their raucous confrontations just to build up the public's interest and put pressure on the boxing commissions. But as soon as the Supreme Court overturned Ali’s ban from boxing, the incidents turned serious and ugly, as "Ali restorted to racial abuse."

And so the stage for their first fight was set. Ali -- hero of the antiwar crowd and icon of the black power movement - would make his triumphant return and become king of the sports world, advancing his causes would be advanced immeasurably.

But the deposed champ was up against a man whose beginnings were so humble he made Ali look like a child of privilege and who never demanded handouts to keep him in kingly style. Frazier -- a humble champion who was good to his investors and cognizant of boxing's traditions -- got in the way of the historically inevitable storyline and won the greatest fight of modern times.

So the Left mobilized to do to Joe Frazier the man what Muhammad Ali the boxer could not do in the ring: destroy him as a man. Shameless idiots like Bryant Gumbel wrote that "Joe Frazier is the white man's champion," while Cosell made a career out of serving as Ali's journalism pimp and jester.

By the time the two would meet in Manila for their ultimate confrontation in 1975, Ali was king of the media. His racist attacks reached new lows while the press corps giggled along.

"The language of racial superiority shaped Ali’s attacks on Joe Frazier, and in Manila, his relentless use of the word gorilla took on a sinister tone" Schreiber says.

It began at a press conference when Ali began his familiar rhyming sessions. "It will be a thrilla when I get the gorilla in Manila," he boasts, then whips out a rubber gorilla that he called "the soul of Joe Frazier" and began beating on it. But it was more than just words, it became a full-fledged theme that spread out to T-shirts, dolls and even men in costumes sparring in Ali’s ring.

"Ali portrayed Joe Frazier as inferior, not only as a boxer but as a human being," the film offers, showing clips of Ali using such terms as "Flat nose, ugly pug, can’t dance, ignorant" and the ubiquitous, "gorilla."


But Thrilla in Manila is not just a social document -- it's a terrific sports film as well. Viewing the Manila fight with Frazier as he watches the footage for the first time is a riveting experience.

A little-discussed aspect of the fight will surprise many boxing fans. Thrilla raises significant doubt whether Ali could have come out for the 15th round if Joe Frazier’s corner not stopped the fight.

Interviewees from both corners and the footage itself seem to confirm this controversial assertion. But the reason the fight ended this way is even more relevant than the fact that it did, and it highlights the differences between the Ali and Frazier camps.

While Frazier argued vehemently with his corner that he wanted to go out for Round 15, the people who cared about Joe Frazier as a person — particularly his trainer, Eddie Futch, who had seen eight men die in the ring — threw in the towel.

When he finished the 14th round, Thomas Hauser, Ali’s official biographer tells film maker Dower, Ali told his trainer to cut his gloves off, that he was done, Pacheco says flatly that it was "the Muslims" who demanded their symbol return to the ring no matter what the cost to his person.

At the end of the film, Frazier’s continuing contempt for Ali is covered, with boxing writers and friends regretting that Joe will do such things as point to Ali in his current state and say with satisfaction, "I did that," as proof that ultimately he won the fight.

Here is where the film does not quite complete the circle of the story. The media’s sorry role is only indirectly covered.

We see Ali sitting around spouting racist garbage as reporters laugh. and rarely does anyone challenge him. Media bias even leaked into the play by play. When Frazier unloads on Ali’s jaw, the announcer exclaims, "Oh, Ali slipped!" With a chuckle, Frazier comments, "Slipped on what? Slipped on a left hook."

To this day, Frazier has to watch a man who spent years in a highly publicized racist campaign against him lionized as a hero and humanitarian.
‘ ‘ ‘
While Ali still is showered with such honors as lighting the Olympic torch, Frazier is barely acknowledged in his hometown of Philadelphia.
Although Ali may possibly have been the worst sport of any major sports champion, Sports Illustrated incredibly named him "Sportsman of the Century" (over Babe Ruth, who all but created modern professional sports). Frazier -- who, on points, has to be considered dead even with Ali in their three fights -- doesn't even make the top 100 list.
. . .
Why the accolades for Muhammed Ali? Ali was the person most responsible for ruining his sport, Don King would be nothing without him. What is he a symbol of? Bad sportsmanship? Taunting an opponent? The Nation of Islam? Anti-miscegenation? Racial hatred?

Ali is no Jackie Robinson; in fact, he was quite the opposite. Frazier is what Americans look for in their champions, so much so that Sylvester Stallone lifted elements of Frazier's humble story directly for Rocky. But as a lasting tribute to media fecklessness, in Philadelphia there stands a statue of the fictional Rocky, not of Smokin’ Joe Frazier.

But while everyone seems to describe him with the word "bitter," Frazier comes across as anything but. Joe seems completely at peace with his justified contempt for Ali as a man. In that way, Frazier is a throwback to a pre-therapeutic age of manliness when everyone didn’t have to have a group hug in order to be content with the order of things.

That’s appropriate, since Joe Frazier was also a throwback as a champion — a gracious, good sport who respected his sport and his opponent -- and who was unprepared for an age where heroes were created by a media agenda instead of by an individual’s actions.

http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=34721

Re: THE MEDIA'S SORRY ROLE

Posted: 06 Mar 2010, 17:14
by Collins2000
:D

Re: THE MEDIA'S SORRY ROLE

Posted: 06 Mar 2010, 17:18
by yancey
granberry wrote:Ali famously made the Fight of the Century more than just a simple boxing match; he relentlessly condemned Frazier as an Uncle Tom, "the enemy," and made audiences take sides based on racial politics.

Thanks to the media’s lapdog approach to Ali, the audiences picked their side for every reason except boxing: As narrator Liev Schreiber states: "If you were rooting for Muhammed Ali, you were black, liberal or young, against the Vietnam War and supported the civil rights movement. If you backed Joe Frazier you represented white, conservative America."

As one of the brightest talking heads in the film, Sunni Khalid of WYPR notes, "We were all convinced that Joe had to be an Uncle Tom. Why? Because Ali said so."

This was ironic on levels both personal and political. For the media to let Ali get away with this was troubling enough. Ali was a member of a violent, racist, segregationist group, not an outwardly integrationist movement as the NAACP.

The Nation formed Ali’s entourage and his public image. According to Khalid, "Elijah Muhammed was in charge, they ran a hierarchical organization, nobody said or did anything unless it was approved from headquarters,"

Over footage of Ali cheering a racist rant from the Nation's leader, Khalid reports, "They even fed him the famous lines about ‘No Vietcong ever called me person.’" This charge is smugly confirmed on camera by Nation spokesman Abdul Rahaman. who takes personal credit for the line—and now sports Ali’s championship ring on his finger.

"It was the ultimate manipulation of anyone I’ve ever seen," declares Freddie Pacheco, whose arrogant presence in the film personifies Ali’s corner but who also is bracingly candid at times.

The film replays an interview Ali gave to a British television reporter, in which Ali declares, "You are fighting a spiritual holy war when you face me now!"

"What about when you’re fighting Joe Frazier," the bemused reporter asks, "Is that fighting a holy war?"

"Yes, sir! Because he’s the Uncle Tom!" Ali shouts.


"Oh, he’s not an Uncle Tom," the reporter chides, vainly trying to introduce reason to the discussion.

Ali will have none of it.

But as one of Frazier’s camp, Dave Wolfe, points out, "Joe was the working-class black person Ali claimed to be speaking for, Ali never worked a day in his life except at being himself."

It was Frazier who lived and trained (and still does) in the neighborhood called "The Badlands" in Philadelphia. It was Frazier who grew up tilling the fields in a segregated South Carolina county where the local bank would later not even cash a small check for him when he returned home as the heavyweight champion of the world.

All of this was known to the media, but the reporters nevertheless played along, eager to get the next Big Quote from Ali, or, like spotlight pimp Howard Cosell, seeking to accrue fame and glory by approximation. They allowed, as Schreiber notes, Ali to "consistently" use "the politics of race to demean Joe Frazier."

According to son Marvis Frazier, this led to bomb threats against their home and constant police protection. "Everybody and their sister used to beat me up because I was Joe Frazier’s son."

But the betrayal is even deeper and more shocking than a casual observer might gather. During Ali’s three-year suspension from boxing for his refusal to be drafted, Frazier, who had become champ during that time, lobbied to get Ali's boxing license back and had even gave him money. Frazier was even generous about Ali’s draft dodging, Wolfe says, adding, "Joe once said to me, ‘If Baptists were not allowed to fight, I would not fight."

Frazier wanted Ali back in the ring so he could prove himself a worthy champion. He even cooperated with Ali in staging some of their raucous confrontations just to build up the public's interest and put pressure on the boxing commissions. But as soon as the Supreme Court overturned Ali’s ban from boxing, the incidents turned serious and ugly, as "Ali restorted to racial abuse."

And so the stage for their first fight was set. Ali -- hero of the antiwar crowd and icon of the black power movement - would make his triumphant return and become king of the sports world, advancing his causes would be advanced immeasurably.

But the deposed champ was up against a man whose beginnings were so humble he made Ali look like a child of privilege and who never demanded handouts to keep him in kingly style. Frazier -- a humble champion who was good to his investors and cognizant of boxing's traditions -- got in the way of the historically inevitable storyline and won the greatest fight of modern times.

So the Left mobilized to do to Joe Frazier the man what Muhammad Ali the boxer could not do in the ring: destroy him as a man. Shameless idiots like Bryant Gumbel wrote that "Joe Frazier is the white man's champion," while Cosell made a career out of serving as Ali's journalism pimp and jester.

By the time the two would meet in Manila for their ultimate confrontation in 1975, Ali was king of the media. His racist attacks reached new lows while the press corps giggled along.

"The language of racial superiority shaped Ali’s attacks on Joe Frazier, and in Manila, his relentless use of the word gorilla took on a sinister tone" Schreiber says.

It began at a press conference when Ali began his familiar rhyming sessions. "It will be a thrilla when I get the gorilla in Manila," he boasts, then whips out a rubber gorilla that he called "the soul of Joe Frazier" and began beating on it. But it was more than just words, it became a full-fledged theme that spread out to T-shirts, dolls and even men in costumes sparring in Ali’s ring.

"Ali portrayed Joe Frazier as inferior, not only as a boxer but as a human being," the film offers, showing clips of Ali using such terms as "Flat nose, ugly pug, can’t dance, ignorant" and the ubiquitous, "gorilla."


But Thrilla in Manila is not just a social document -- it's a terrific sports film as well. Viewing the Manila fight with Frazier as he watches the footage for the first time is a riveting experience.

A little-discussed aspect of the fight will surprise many boxing fans. Thrilla raises significant doubt whether Ali could have come out for the 15th round if Joe Frazier’s corner not stopped the fight.

Interviewees from both corners and the footage itself seem to confirm this controversial assertion. But the reason the fight ended this way is even more relevant than the fact that it did, and it highlights the differences between the Ali and Frazier camps.

While Frazier argued vehemently with his corner that he wanted to go out for Round 15, the people who cared about Joe Frazier as a person — particularly his trainer, Eddie Futch, who had seen eight men die in the ring — threw in the towel.

When he finished the 14th round, Thomas Hauser, Ali’s official biographer tells film maker Dower, Ali told his trainer to cut his gloves off, that he was done, Pacheco says flatly that it was "the Muslims" who demanded their symbol return to the ring no matter what the cost to his person.

At the end of the film, Frazier’s continuing contempt for Ali is covered, with boxing writers and friends regretting that Joe will do such things as point to Ali in his current state and say with satisfaction, "I did that," as proof that ultimately he won the fight.

Here is where the film does not quite complete the circle of the story. The media’s sorry role is only indirectly covered.

We see Ali sitting around spouting racist garbage as reporters laugh. and rarely does anyone challenge him. Media bias even leaked into the play by play. When Frazier unloads on Ali’s jaw, the announcer exclaims, "Oh, Ali slipped!" With a chuckle, Frazier comments, "Slipped on what? Slipped on a left hook."

To this day, Frazier has to watch a man who spent years in a highly publicized racist campaign against him lionized as a hero and humanitarian.
‘ ‘ ‘
While Ali still is showered with such honors as lighting the Olympic torch, Frazier is barely acknowledged in his hometown of Philadelphia.
Although Ali may possibly have been the worst sport of any major sports champion, Sports Illustrated incredibly named him "Sportsman of the Century" (over Babe Ruth, who all but created modern professional sports). Frazier -- who, on points, has to be considered dead even with Ali in their three fights -- doesn't even make the top 100 list.
. . .
Why the accolades for Muhammed Ali? Ali was the person most responsible for ruining his sport, Don King would be nothing without him. What is he a symbol of? Bad sportsmanship? Taunting an opponent? The Nation of Islam? Anti-miscegenation? Racial hatred?

Ali is no Jackie Robinson; in fact, he was quite the opposite. Frazier is what Americans look for in their champions, so much so that Sylvester Stallone lifted elements of Frazier's humble story directly for Rocky. But as a lasting tribute to media fecklessness, in Philadelphia there stands a statue of the fictional Rocky, not of Smokin’ Joe Frazier.

But while everyone seems to describe him with the word "bitter," Frazier comes across as anything but. Joe seems completely at peace with his justified contempt for Ali as a man. In that way, Frazier is a throwback to a pre-therapeutic age of manliness when everyone didn’t have to have a group hug in order to be content with the order of things.

That’s appropriate, since Joe Frazier was also a throwback as a champion — a gracious, good sport who respected his sport and his opponent -- and who was unprepared for an age where heroes were created by a media agenda instead of by an individual’s actions.

http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=34721



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Hallelujah, hallelujah, hallelujah!!!

The truth, at last.

Give the real champ a statue, Philly.

Re: THE MEDIA'S SORRY ROLE

Posted: 06 Mar 2010, 17:20
by yancey
Collins2000 wrote::D
Pretend to laugh and maybe the truth will get swept back under the rug, right?

Re: THE MEDIA'S SORRY ROLE

Posted: 06 Mar 2010, 17:21
by Panzerfaust
Well written and agreed with(not the exact line of him being one of the most dammaging to the sport no, that would be the alphabet soup people) :TU:

Re: THE MEDIA'S SORRY ROLE

Posted: 06 Mar 2010, 17:36
by Collins2000
yancey wrote:
Collins2000 wrote::D
Pretend to laugh and maybe the truth will get swept back under the rug, right?

The truth?

You think that article is the truth?

:D

You really agree 100% with all those thumbs-up icons with this statement?:

Why the accolades for Muhammed Ali? Ali was the person most responsible for ruining his sport


You really must believe it truly by chanting Hallelujah.

Fekkin hilarious.

Re: THE MEDIA'S SORRY ROLE

Posted: 06 Mar 2010, 17:40
by Collins2000
Panzerfaust wrote:Well written and agreed with :TU:
Same question for you, pal.

You believe Ali was the person most responsible for ruining his sport?

Re: THE MEDIA'S SORRY ROLE

Posted: 06 Mar 2010, 17:53
by Panzerfaust
ill have to edit my post, That i exact line i do not agree with, however his hounding of opponents etc and connections with nation of Islam makes his status as a idol and symbol a bit blemished no?

Re: THE MEDIA'S SORRY ROLE

Posted: 06 Mar 2010, 17:59
by Collins2000
Panzerfaust wrote:...his hounding of opponents etc and connections with nation of Islam makes his status as a idol and symbol a bit blemished no?

None of us are perfect, including Ali.

Re: THE MEDIA'S SORRY ROLE

Posted: 06 Mar 2010, 18:01
by ThatOne
Panzerfaust wrote:ill have to edit my post, That i exact line i do not agree with, however his hounding of opponents etc and connections with nation of Islam makes his status as a idol and symbol a bit blemished no?

He left the Nation Of Islam thirty years ago.

Re: THE MEDIA'S SORRY ROLE

Posted: 06 Mar 2010, 18:06
by granberry
ThatOne wrote:
Panzerfaust wrote:ill have to edit my post, That i exact line i do not agree with, however his hounding of opponents etc and connections with nation of Islam makes his status as a idol and symbol a bit blemished no?

He left the Nation Of Islam thirty years ago.
Ali's manager was Herbert Muhammed of the Nation of Islam.

His career was run by the poisonous, racist Nation of Islam.

When they couldn't get any more million dollar paydays out of their stooge they dumped him.

Re: THE MEDIA'S SORRY ROLE

Posted: 06 Mar 2010, 18:08
by Collins2000
granberry wrote:
ThatOne wrote:
Panzerfaust wrote:ill have to edit my post, That i exact line i do not agree with, however his hounding of opponents etc and connections with nation of Islam makes his status as a idol and symbol a bit blemished no?

He left the Nation Of Islam thirty years ago.
Ali's manager was Herbert Muhammed of the Nation of Islam.

His career was run by the poisonous, racist Nation of Islam.

When they couldn't get any more million dollar paydays out of their stooge they dumped him.
:D

Re: THE MEDIA'S SORRY ROLE

Posted: 06 Mar 2010, 18:08
by ThatOne
granberry wrote:
ThatOne wrote:
Panzerfaust wrote:ill have to edit my post, That i exact line i do not agree with, however his hounding of opponents etc and connections with nation of Islam makes his status as a idol and symbol a bit blemished no?

He left the Nation Of Islam thirty years ago.
Ali's manager was Herbert Muhammed of the Nation of Islam.

His career was run by the poisonous, racist Nation of Islam.

When they couldn't get any more million dollar paydays out of their stooge they dumped him.

Ali is larger than The Fruit.


He's the most recognized athlete on the planet

Re: THE MEDIA'S SORRY ROLE

Posted: 06 Mar 2010, 18:12
by granberry
ThatOne wrote:
granberry wrote:
ThatOne wrote:
He left the Nation Of Islam thirty years ago.
Ali's manager was Herbert Muhammed of the Nation of Islam.

His career was run by the poisonous, racist Nation of Islam.

When they couldn't get any more million dollar paydays out of their stooge they dumped him.

Ali is larger than The Fruit.


He's the most recognized athlete on the planet
What is this Fruit you keep mentioning?

Ali was a member and lackey for the Nation of Islam.

Ali is well known because the news media publicized him,.

despite his poisonous racism

and his position as a stooge for the murderous Nation of Islam.

Re: THE MEDIA'S SORRY ROLE

Posted: 06 Mar 2010, 18:29
by ThatOne
granberry wrote:
ThatOne wrote:
granberry wrote: Ali's manager was Herbert Muhammed of the Nation of Islam.

His career was run by the poisonous, racist Nation of Islam.

When they couldn't get any more million dollar paydays out of their stooge they dumped him.

Ali is larger than The Fruit.


He's the most recognized athlete on the planet
What is this Fruit you keep mentioning?

Ali was a member and lackey for the Nation of Islam.

Ali is well known because the news media publicized him,.

despite his poisonous racism

and his position as a stooge for the murderous Nation of Islam.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_of_Islam


Ali has not been a member of the F O I or the N O I for thirty years

Re: THE MEDIA'S SORRY ROLE

Posted: 06 Mar 2010, 18:32
by granberry
The Nation of Islam ran Ali's career.

Herbert Muhammed of the Nation of Islam was Ali's manager.

Live with it.

Re: THE MEDIA'S SORRY ROLE

Posted: 06 Mar 2010, 18:39
by yancey
I'm saluting a true and GRACIOUS champ, Smokin' Joe Frazier.

I don't care about the rest.

Give the REAL champ a statue, Philly.

Re: THE MEDIA'S SORRY ROLE

Posted: 06 Mar 2010, 18:39
by ThatOne
granberry wrote:The Nation of Islam ran Ali's career.

Herbert Muhammed of the Nation of Islam was Ali's manager.

Live with it.

I guess this fella will have to live with it too:


http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7098 ... 45x168.jpg


"Only a few athletes are ever known as the greatest in their sport, or in their time. But when you say, "The Greatest of All Time" is in the room, everyone knows who you mean. It's quite a claim to make -- but as Muhammad Ali once said, "It's not bragging if you can back it up." (Laughter.) And this man backed it up.

From the day he won the Gold Medal at the 1960 Olympic Games, we all knew there was something special about this young fighter from Louisville, Kentucky. And his record of 56 and 5, including 37 knockouts and 19 successful title defenses, hardly begins to get the story. Far into the future, fans and students of boxing will study the films, and some will even try to copy his style. But certain things defy imitation: the Ali shuffle, the lightning jabs, the total command of the ring and, above all, the sheer guts and determination he brought to every fight.

This is a man who once fought more than 10 rounds with a fractured jaw. And he fought to complete exhaustion -- and victory -- in that legendary clash of greats in Manila. The real mystery, I guess, is how he stayed so pretty. (Laughter.) It probably had to do with his beautiful soul. He was a fierce fighter and he's a man of peace, just like Odessa and Cassius Clay, Sr. believed their son could be.

Across the world, billions of people know Muhammad Ali as a brave, compassionate and charming man, and the American people are proud to call Muhammad Ali one of our own."


-President George W. Bush



http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives. ... 109-2.html

Re: THE MEDIA'S SORRY ROLE

Posted: 06 Mar 2010, 18:45
by yancey
Collins2000 wrote:
yancey wrote:
Collins2000 wrote::D
Pretend to laugh and maybe the truth will get swept back under the rug, right?

The truth?

You think that article is the truth?

:D

You really agree 100% with all those thumbs-up icons with this statement?:

Why the accolades for Muhammed Ali? Ali was the person most responsible for ruining his sport


You really must believe it truly by chanting Hallelujah.

Fekkin hilarious.
The article ain't about Ali as far as I'm concerned, pal.

It is about a better man.

:TU:

Re: THE MEDIA'S SORRY ROLE

Posted: 06 Mar 2010, 18:49
by ThatOne
yancey wrote:
Collins2000 wrote:
yancey wrote: Pretend to laugh and maybe the truth will get swept back under the rug, right?

The truth?

You think that article is the truth?

:D

You really agree 100% with all those thumbs-up icons with this statement?:

Why the accolades for Muhammed Ali? Ali was the person most responsible for ruining his sport


You really must believe it truly by chanting Hallelujah.

Fekkin hilarious.
The article ain't about Ali as far as I'm concerned, pal.

It is about a better man.

:TU:
"From the day he won the Gold Medal at the 1960 Olympic Games, we all knew there was something special about this young fighter from Louisville, Kentucky. And his record of 56 and 5, including 37 knockouts and 19 successful title defenses, hardly begins to get the story. Far into the future, fans and students of boxing will study the films, and some will even try to copy his style. But certain things defy imitation: the Ali shuffle, the lightning jabs, the total command of the ring and, above all, the sheer guts and determination he brought to every fight.

This is a man who once fought more than 10 rounds with a fractured jaw. And he fought to complete exhaustion -- and victory -- in that legendary clash of greats in Manila. The real mystery, I guess, is how he stayed so pretty. (Laughter.) It probably had to do with his beautiful soul. He was a fierce fighter and he's a man of peace, just like Odessa and Cassius Clay, Sr. believed their son could be.

Across the world, billions of people know Muhammad Ali as a brave, compassionate and charming man, and the American people are proud to call Muhammad Ali one of our own. "



President George W. Bush


http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives. ... 109-2.html

Re: THE MEDIA'S SORRY ROLE

Posted: 06 Mar 2010, 18:50
by Collins2000
yancey wrote:I'm saluting a true and GRACIOUS champ, Smokin' Joe Frazier.

I don't care about the rest.

Give the REAL champ a statue, Philly.

I do not see why you feel the need to pull down Ali to raise up Frazier.

It makes no sense.

Re: THE MEDIA'S SORRY ROLE

Posted: 06 Mar 2010, 18:52
by Collins2000
yancey wrote:
Collins2000 wrote:
yancey wrote: Pretend to laugh and maybe the truth will get swept back under the rug, right?

The truth?

You think that article is the truth?

:D

You really agree 100% with all those thumbs-up icons with this statement?:

Why the accolades for Muhammed Ali? Ali was the person most responsible for ruining his sport


You really must believe it truly by chanting Hallelujah.

Fekkin hilarious.
The article ain't about Ali as far as I'm concerned, pal.

It is about a better man.

:TU:

Yes, we all know of your love for Joe.

Has it blinded you to the skills of Ali?

Have you become one with Francis and his claims regarding Ali being a fake and a poisonous racist?

Re: THE MEDIA'S SORRY ROLE

Posted: 06 Mar 2010, 18:54
by ThatOne
Collins2000 wrote:
yancey wrote:I'm saluting a true and GRACIOUS champ, Smokin' Joe Frazier.

I don't care about the rest.

Give the REAL champ a statue, Philly.

I do not see why you feel the need to pull down Ali to raise up Frazier.

It makes no sense.
It's not Ali's fault he's a universally loved and respected figure except among some far right wing crackpots.

For the love of God, it was a Republican president who gave him The Medal Of Freedom.


The debate about whether or not he was a bad guy was settled thirty five years ago when another Republican president, Gerald Ford, invited him to the White House.

Re: THE MEDIA'S SORRY ROLE

Posted: 06 Mar 2010, 18:56
by Panzerfaust
[/quote]He left the Nation Of Islam thirty years ago.[/quote]

If Rocky Marciano had been a member of the Ku Klux Klan i doubt people would have been as forgiving.

What im saying is the media is very uncritical towards him, if anyone else would have had a past in a hate organization it would have been brought up every time his name was mentioned.

And im not critizising his skills as a boxer, just the fact that he has been gloryfied a bit too much wich is mainly the medias fault

Re: THE MEDIA'S SORRY ROLE

Posted: 06 Mar 2010, 18:59
by Collins2000
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