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It will be hilarious when Mr Sheehan applies for his press pass for this fight to Hayemaker Boxing - I remember Elliott Worsell being particularly daming about him a few years back when Clinton Woods fought Glencoffe Johnson for the first time and Mr Worsell and others had a few words to say about Mr Sheehans good lady being sat next to him in press row!!!.

BIGMARK wrote:

damianhucker1 wrote:pillock

what?
me?

no pal

BIGMARK wrote:i was seeing if there was any coverage on the Haye fight and came across this:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sp ... -Ruiz.html

i stopped reading when i got to this:

The champion makes the first defence of his heavyweight crown on April 3 knowing the durable American has never been stopped or dropped in his 54-fight career.

And to think this guy gets a press pass for a big fight

Dear Pat Sheehan,

Have you ever heard of a guy called David Tua? Not only did he KO Ruiz, he nearly knocked him into the next millenium!

BIGMARK wrote:

Spud wrote:It will be hilarious when Mr Sheehan applies for his press pass for this fight to Hayemaker Boxing - I remember Elliott Worsell being particularly daming about him a few years back when Clinton Woods fought Glencoffe Johnson for the first time and Mr Worsell and others had a few words to say about Mr Sheehans good lady being sat next to him in press row!!!.

spud have you ever been working on a show when a promoter or fighter refused a member of the press a pass?

First of all a fighter will not normally get involved in all of the politics - what normally happens for instance at the previous bigger Fight Academy shows - a small group of us will get together - review the number of seats we have at ringside for press - then look at the list and of course nationals and local press take priority - if there is an individual there that is not particularly liked then that individual was discussed with Dennis and at the time Richard Poxon. I normally had the knowledge of who the good internet reporters were and who the p*ss takers were - but even they were given tickets outside of inner ringside and warned that we expected a report up on their site within 24 hours. You will be amazed the amount of applications a promoter can receive from p*ss takers claiming they are from some sort of local paper.

The very worst arguments I have had is believe it or not - not with the press but cameramen!!! - the last such confrontation was at Haye/Barrett - I remember Elliott calling me to a situation where we by mistake let too many go ringside - in the end it got that bad I stated to them I did not give a f*ck who they were and who they were working for if things were not sorted out amicably I would kick the whole lot of them out - in the end they came to a decent solution - another one was a cameraman at Hatton/Maussa who did not accept that I was running inner ringside - he tried to go over my head by telling Robert Waterman how rude I was - in the end he was escorted out by security!!!

i have just read the piece at work today, someone had left 'the sun' lying around in the coffee room. the man is a fekking donkey, how on earth can he expect to get any credit/kudos/respect from anyone in boxing/the media when his mistakes are so so blatant. should we send him the youtube clip of ruiz having his head removed by tua, it is one of the most brutal KO's you will ever see in boxing, certainly not something that you could ever forget!!

Read the online version and the very top remark on the 'your comments' piece is from a certain Mr Tua who also reminds Sheehan and that James Toney and Andrew Golota had him over.

Why they don't just give Lillis the jobs all of the time is beyond me.

rhino222 wrote:i have just read the piece at work today, someone had left 'the sun' lying around in the coffee room. the man is a fekking donkey, how on earth can he expect to get any credit/kudos/respect from anyone in boxing/the media when his mistakes are so so blatant. should we send him the youtube clip of ruiz having his head removed by tua, it is one of the most brutal KO's you will ever see in boxing, certainly not something that you could ever forget!!

x2.....moronic, and frightening

Anyone recall him reporting that Naz was due to be fighting p4p number 1 'Roy Junior Jones'?

That took the McVities.

What I will say Sun sport's subs bench didn't pick up the error either.

DIRT SUGAR wrote:What I will say Sun sport's subs bench didn't pick up the error either.

You wouldn't expect them to though, would you?

To be fair I have seen quotes attributed to Haye over the past week or so saying Ruiz has never been stopped.

Not acceptable though. Not given that everyone has access to most fighters pro-records on here alone, let alone youtube highlight clips etc.

I dont see what the big deal is .Pat just hyping the ruiz fight, making him better than hes meant to be. So what if hes misleading ruiz a bit to the general public.

(yes i am trolling)

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:

DIRT SUGAR wrote:What I will say Sun sport's subs bench didn't pick up the error either.

You wouldn't expect them to though, would you?

Errr (as a sub-ed myself) I'd have checked to make sure he'd never been floored at least, yes.

REAL_DEAL wrote:I dont see what the big deal is .Pat just hyping the ruiz fight, making him better than hes meant to be. So what if hes misleading ruiz a bit to the general public.

(yes i am trolling)

bloody hell chris, we get so much column space that the least we expect is a bit of accuracy. especially as uncle pat is first in the queue when it comes to the credentials....oh...and one for his bird !! ...

rhino222 wrote:

REAL_DEAL wrote:I dont see what the big deal is .Pat just hyping the ruiz fight, making him better than hes meant to be. So what if hes misleading ruiz a bit to the general public.

(yes i am trolling)

bloody hell chris, we get so much column space that the least we expect is a bit of accuracy. especially as uncle pat is first in the queue when it comes to the credentials....oh...and one for his bird !! ...

If Pat got his missus to proof read his articles once in a while he might make fewer fundamental factual errors...

DIRT SUGAR wrote:

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:

DIRT SUGAR wrote:What I will say Sun sport's subs bench didn't pick up the error either.

You wouldn't expect them to though, would you?

Errr (as a sub-ed myself) I'd have checked to make sure he'd never been floored at least, yes.

Really? I wouldn't have thought you would have time to check every statement. Take for example a recent retrospective I published on Corbett v Fitzsimmons. There's no fecking way I'd be checking every bit of that. Or if one of my lads says a Brit has had 10 KOs from 20 wins, I wouldn't have time to go and check every record. You have to trust your writers.

But hey, you do it for a living so you'll know the drill.

DIRT SUGAR wrote:

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:

DIRT SUGAR wrote:What I will say Sun sport's subs bench didn't pick up the error either.

You wouldn't expect them to though, would you?

Errr (as a sub-ed myself) I'd have checked to make sure he'd never been floored at least, yes.

I am a sub too and if the writer is an expert in a given subject, and I don't know about it, then I work on the assumption that the writer has at least got the facts right, because after all that is their speciality, so then I edit for space, clarity, general English, style consistency, and so on. In an ideal world every "fact" would be double-checked, but we don't have that luxury.

If I didn't know about boxing, and was given a boxing story by a boxing writer to edit, then I'd assume the boxing facts within were correct. I can't blame the subs for this.

oliverfennell wrote:

DIRT SUGAR wrote:

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote: You wouldn't expect them to though, would you?

Errr (as a sub-ed myself) I'd have checked to make sure he'd never been floored at least, yes.

I am a sub too and if the writer is an expert in a given subject, and I don't know about it, then I work on the assumption that the writer has at least got the facts right, because after all that is their speciality, so then I edit for space, clarity, general English, style consistency, and so on. In an ideal world every "fact" would be double-checked, but we don't have that luxury.

If I didn't know about boxing, and was given a boxing story by a boxing writer to edit, then I'd assume the boxing facts within were correct. I can't blame the subs for this.

This is exactly what I thought, Oliver. You guys (in Britain working on a national paper, certainly) probably have less time than ever I would have thought.

Agreed.

Oliver is right, and so is Ian.....we have less time than ever and are being called upon to do more with fewer staff.
A sub could not spend half of his time checking the facts and accuracy, that's the writer's job.

Journalists always have an excuse for their shoddy work!!!

Thats probably the reason why they dont write about boxing often enough - they know f*ck all about the sport!!!

Spud wrote:Journalists always have an excuse for their shoddy work!!!

Thats probably the reason why they dont write about boxing often enough - they know f*ck all about the sport!!!

he knows enough about boxing to find the arenas and be at the front of the credential queue, oh..and the buffet of course !!

rhino222 wrote:

Spud wrote:Journalists always have an excuse for their shoddy work!!!

Thats probably the reason why they dont write about boxing often enough - they know f*ck all about the sport!!!

he knows enough about boxing to find the arenas and be at the front of the credential queue, oh..and the buffet of course !!

So do we!!!

Got to say nothing beats the buffet and ice creams at Williams/Klitshchko!!!

PS should be giving haye plenty of credit if haye does the job well. we should expect nothing less.