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For an deliberate butt or blow?

IE if a fight throws a low blow, or butts his opponent, does the ref have to make the decision to disqualify him "There and then" (like a referee in footy giving the red card) or can he wait until the interval between rounds, and check video reply etc?

Likewise, say a fighter was butted in round 2, and the ref let the bout go on, but the cut was so bad that the figh had to be stopped in round 3, can the ref say- right, because that was deliberate, you are disqualified?

Or put another way, if a fighter fouls and isn't penalised right away, has he "Gotten away with it?"

ROCKSTONES wrote:Spitting out gumshield repeatedly. Excessive holding. Biting. Lack of effort. Headbutts.

Ah- sorry I wasn't clear.

I meant at what point does the referee need to make the disqualification.

Eg biting. Say Billy bights Bob in round one, can the referee then disqualify billy at the end of the round, saying "i saw a bite earlier, and ringside observershave confirmed it" , or does he have to make an "on the spot" decision?

boxing rules say the referee has the sole discretion to caution or disqualify as he sees fit.
if he doesn't use this power to disqualify a fighter at the time of the offence it would be very difficult in practice to say 'you butted your opponent in round 1 and the cut has got worse so i;m disqualifying you now in round 5.'
i've certainly never heard of that happening.

It's a tricky one, especially in Britain where an accidental cut means a fighter loses.

true. i think going to the cards is fairer in those cases, and would like to see us adopt that.

as far as im aware a decision has to be made immediately , hence most refs will give a warning unless there absolutely certain it was deliberate , means for a headbut would normally be a warning first as its tougher to say if its intentional but biting cant be an accident so if they see it then they should in theory disqualify them on the spot.

I have seen disq's but it is very rare, most refs give enough warnings and points off to discourage it.

Think I have only seen one disqualification live that I can remember - it happened at Dom Valley and it was when Howard Foster kicked out Matthew Hatton for repeated low blows against Alan Bosworth for repeated low blows. I lost count the amount of times Howard kept warning Matthew - to be honest I think some of Howards warnings were borderline but with that said IMO Matthew was way up on the scorecards so didnt need to throw shots to Bosworths body.

Not sure how it went

Repeated Warnings

Point off

Repeated warninga

Points off and final warning

Bye bye yoy are out

Mathew Barney was thrown out on tv against danny McIntosh for repeated holding and spoiling. Richie davies was the ref and was a perfect decision

I think to some extent it relies on the honour of boxers not to deliberatly foul. And indeed, the good judgement of boxers not to foul. A boxer who fouls WILL be spotted- on tv replays, even if the ref doesn't see it.

whicker wrote:I think to some extent it relies on the honour of boxers not to deliberatly foul. And indeed, the good judgement of boxers not to foul. A boxer who fouls WILL be spotted- on tv replays, even if the ref doesn't see it.

only when the fight is on tv !!

you can be flung out for whacking the opponent repeatedly in the boll*cks, knackers, cojones....call them what you will and ignoring warning after warning. Like what European Title contender Matthew Hatton done with an ageing Alan Bosworth, (I believe that's what his name is).

NorthEastBoxingFan wrote:you can be flung out for whacking the opponent repeatedly in the boll*cks, knackers, cojones....call them what you will and ignoring warning after warning. Like what European Title contender Matthew Hatton done with an ageing Alan Bosworth, (I believe that's what his name is).

Were you there?

If you get a chance watch the recent Shane Cameron v John Hopate fight, the ref DQ's Hopate in the 2nd for persistent holding, but hadn't taken any points away in the lead up to it.

see if you agree with the ref. Fight is on youtube if someone can put a link on here (i'm at work)

punchers chance wrote:true. i think going to the cards is fairer in those cases, and would like to see us adopt that.

the board of control are still sitting on there arses on that one.

surprise surprise.

hitman_hatton1 wrote:

punchers chance wrote:true. i think going to the cards is fairer in those cases, and would like to see us adopt that.

the board of control are still sitting on there arses on that one.

surprise surprise.

I dont see a problem with the British rule. If its a accidental clash off heads then thats what it is accidental and if a kid has to be stopped because of the cut he loses no problem why should the lad that wasn't cut be penalised. Now if it was a deliberate use of the head and the other lad gets cut then he sould be disqualified and if he gets cut from his own use of the head then tough shit.

Old bones Ian wrote:If you get a chance watch the recent Shane Cameron v John Hopate fight, the ref DQ's Hopate in the 2nd for persistent holding, but hadn't taken any points away in the lead up to it.

see if you agree with the ref. Fight is on youtube if someone can put a link on here (i'm at work)

See what you think, here's video of 2nd round DQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmqXePc9s7Y