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Sorry for starting a n00b topic that may have already been covered, but I was wondering about your ideas of a 'perfect' boxer, using past examples (I'm not very knowledgeable, so this might not be very accurate), ie:

Heavyweight:

jab - Liston
right hand - Louis
left hook - Cooney
bodypuncher - ?
chin - Marciano (?)
generalship - Ali
footwork - ?
handspeed - Patterson
stamina - Marciano
defense - Johnson

feel free to add components/use different weight classes

cosimo wrote:Sorry for starting a n00b topic that may have already been covered, but I was wondering about your ideas of a 'perfect' boxer, using past examples (I'm not very knowledgeable, so this might not be very accurate), ie:

Heavyweight:

jab - Liston
right hand - Louis
left hook - Cooney
bodypuncher - ?
chin - Marciano (?)
generalship - Ali
footwork - ?
handspeed - Patterson
stamina - Marciano
defense - Johnson

feel free to add components/use different weight classes

Considering heavies only....


Jab....Holmes/Liston
Right hand ....Louis
Left hook.....Frazier
Body puncher.....Frazier
Two-fisted punching....Louis
Chin.....Chuvalo
Generalship.....Ali, possibly Charles, but have not studied him enough.
Footwork.....Ali
Handspeed.....Floyd!
Stamina.....Marciano/Frazier
Defense.....?
Ferocity....Dempsey, Tyson, early Foreman
Shoving.....Foreman.
Biggest mouth........Ali *** (3 star, inter-galactic, forever champ)
Slick and illegal....Ali
Obvious and illegal....Marciano, Foreman
Best sportsman.....Patterson/Frazier

Jab – Liston
Right hand – Hearns
Left Hook – Pipino Cuevas
Uppercut – Tyson
Punching power – Ernie Shavers
Body puncher – Chavez
Footwork - Ali
Chin – Chuvalo
Hand speed – Prime Camacho or Meldrick Taylor
Stamina – Paul Williams
Defense – Nicolino Locche
Ferocity – Dempsey
Heart- Gatti
Boxing intelligence – Hopkins/Ali

Jab – Ray Robinson
Right hand – Marciano
Left Hook – Ray Robinson
Uppercut – Tyson
Punching power – Marciano
Body puncher – Chavez
Footwork - Ray Robinson
Chin – Ray Robinson
Hand speed – Manny Pacquiao
Stamina – Marciano
Defense – Joe Louis
Ferocity – Marciano
Heart- Marciano
Boxing intelligence – Joe Louis

A lot of this is Marciano/Robinson related. When I think of each of these aspects, I always come back to Robinson or Marciano!

Jab – Roy Jones jr
Right hand – Ike Quartey
Left Hook – Tommy Hearns
Uppercut – Tyson Fury
Punching power – Zuri Lawrence
Body puncher – Nikolai Valuev
Footwork - Kelly Pavlik
Chin – Tommy Morrison
Hand speed – Tye Fields
Stamina – Shannon Briggs
Defense – Ricardo Mayorga
Ferocity – Cory Spinks
Heart- Mike Tyson
Boxing intelligence – Zab Judah

Joe Louis
Wiv a chin like Chuvalo.

yancey wrote:

cosimo wrote:Sorry for starting a n00b topic that may have already been covered, but I was wondering about your ideas of a 'perfect' boxer, using past examples (I'm not very knowledgeable, so this might not be very accurate), ie:

Heavyweight:

jab - Liston
right hand - Louis
left hook - Cooney
bodypuncher - ?
chin - Marciano (?)
generalship - Ali
footwork - ?
handspeed - Patterson
stamina - Marciano
defense - Johnson

feel free to add components/use different weight classes

Considering heavies only....


Jab....Holmes/Liston
Right hand ....Louis
Left hook.....Frazier
Body puncher.....Frazier
Two-fisted punching....Louis
Chin.....Chuvalo
Generalship.....Ali, possibly Charles, but have not studied him enough.
Footwork.....Ali
Handspeed.....Floyd!
Stamina.....Marciano/Frazier
Defense.....?
Ferocity....Dempsey, Tyson, early Foreman
Shoving.....Foreman.
Biggest mouth........Ali *** (3 star, inter-galactic, forever champ)
Slick and illegal....Ali
Obvious and illegal....Marciano, Foreman
Best sportsman.....Patterson/Frazier

I notice, I notice. You have Joe Frazier's commitment to the task at hand, that's for sure.

Why do these things always have to use Heavies as examples?

the subtle movement & percision of Joe Louis
the ring craft and caginess of Jersey Joe Walcott
and the mixture of boxer and adaptability and fight that is in Ezzard Charles...

and if you through in the style and skill of Lloyd Marshall, then that is a perfect boxer, all proper left hookers too.

jab - liston
cross - ali
hook - frazer
uppercut - tyson
smash - ruddok
corkscrew hook -kid mccoy
2 handed punching - dempsey
combos - duran
chin - klitschinko

Jab....Schmeling
Right hand ....Holmes
Left hook.....Peter Jackson
Body puncher.....Tyson
Two-fisted punching....Maxie Rosenbloom
Chin.....Shavers
Generalship.....Jack Sharkey
Footwork.....Jim Flynn
Handspeed.....Jim Flynn
Stamina.....Tyson
Defense.....Frazier
Ferocity....Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
Biggest mouth........Frazier
Slick and illegal....Golota
Obvious and illegal....Ali
Best sportsman.....Golota

I'll take Thomas Hearns with Hagler's chin and stamina.

Me, with youth, talent, speed, power and stamina.

And Irene, you'll be glad to know I was a light-heavyweight.

jab - Ali
right hand - Louis
left hook -Frazier
bodypuncher - Marciano
chin - Ali
generalship - Ali
footwork - Ali
handspeed - Ali
stamina - Ali
defense - Willie Pep

gambler49 wrote:Joe Louis
Wiv a chin like Chuvalo.

I have two perfect boxers of the last two decades-hagler of the early 80s,,no weaknesses and a became a complete animal if pressed, disregarding technique in order to rip his opponent to pieces

and in the 90s it was Roy Jones, a true Sugar Ray. his hand speed and one punch power, especially to the body were unforgettable.

all other contemporaries of their respective eras pale in comparison